Lawsuit against cheating scum?

[froggyluv 2136]

No it's the whole thread thats going in circles...

@oChaos.DNJ

Here's the bottom line. We're going thru with legal pursuit whether you like it or not. Sorry to ruin your agenda whatever that may be. Don't like it- tough, grab a tissue box and cry yourself to sleep. Nobody asked you for your peudo legal advice here. Want to take a different route- stop talking and do it.

@Bratty- sorry for all of your criminal troubles. But don't be fooled, oChaos.DNJ is not here to help. He's here to discourage and it ain't working so it's driving him to respond relentlessly.

This thread is for those interested in legal pursuit of TK/Griefer groups - not a legal debate for those who have God-knows what agendas. Please open or use other threads to explore other options if that is the case.

 

[opteryx 1562]

Quote[/b] ]Your laws are based on breaking into a server to make unauthorized modification to data.

When a server clearly states that cheating/hacking is not permitted and a person violates those rules by feeding data that's clearly deemed as cheating/hacking, does that not mean it is unauthorized, therefore illegal?

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

No it does not.

Quote[/b] ]No it's the whole thread thats going in circles...

@oChaos.DNJ

Here's the bottom line. We're going thru with legal pursuit whether you like it or not. Sorry to ruin your agenda whatever that may be. Don't like it- tough, grab a tissue box and cry yourself to sleep. Nobody asked you for your peudo legal advice here. Want to take a different route- stop talking and do it.

@Bratty- sorry for all of your criminal troubles. But don't be fooled, oChaos.DNJ is not here to help. He's here to discourage and it ain't working so it's driving him to respond relentlessly.

This thread is for those interested in legal pursuit of TK/Griefer groups - not a legal debate for those who have God-knows what agendas. Please open or use other threads to explore other options if that is the case.

 

Someone needs to educate you.

Go ahead. But I'll still laugh at you all for thinking you know what your talking about. I guess bringing legal action against cheaters is a new idea, here...

But its definetly not a new idea in the gaming world.

[froggyluv 2136]

No it does not.

Quote[/b] ]No it's the whole thread thats going in circles...

@oChaos.DNJ

Here's the bottom line. We're going thru with legal pursuit whether you like it or not. Sorry to ruin your agenda whatever that may be. Don't like it- tough, grab a tissue box and cry yourself to sleep. Nobody asked you for your peudo legal advice here. Want to take a different route- stop talking and do it.

@Bratty- sorry for all of your criminal troubles. But don't be fooled, oChaos.DNJ is not here to help. He's here to discourage and it ain't working so it's driving him to respond relentlessly.

This thread is for those interested in legal pursuit of TK/Griefer groups - not a legal debate for those who have God-knows what agendas. Please open or use other threads to explore other options if that is the case.

 

Someone needs to educate you.

And who might that someone be son -you? Lol, you don't fool me. Keep your little charade up you disguise is paper thin.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

What have you contributed here other then your undying support for the witchhunt....?

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

It's only a matter of time before someone with the right contacts gets annoyed by their exploits of the games features.

There are Federal Agents that enjoy ArmA, they just haven't seen "first hand" of these kiddies way of attempting to reek havok and disrupt open servers.

[Junker 0]

Quote[/b] ](i) intent to damage the performance of an activity—

I think this line makes the multi spawn cheats fall under this category.

Gaming is an activity, Cheaters and hackers are damaging the performance of that activity.

[froggyluv 2136]

What have you contributed here other then your undying support for the witchhunt....?

Is that what you call what you've been doing here -"contributing"

- more like derailing. your espousing you own legal intrepertation as fact when thats all it is -interpertation, which will be decided by authorities. You say you want to laugh at everyone for there foolish endevour and place money bets on how wrong people are - how's that for contributing. If you have so much legal expertise and really wanted to help, why not say -"not sure that would work, Walker, why don't you try this?"

Like i said , I know why and you know why.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

....continue well talk in November or whatever........

[froggyluv 2136]

Ok

Just don't use me as your 1 phone call

[BraTTy 0]

lol that was funny.

Yes sorry for my examples.Just that I am looking at it realistically.Unless you hand them the guys in cuffs, the police are unlikely to do anything.

I am sure more important stuff are at the top of their lists (fbi servers trying to be hacked,dmv,banks etc..)

And like i said... what about the freeliving trojans and spyware.

Brainstorming for a bit I could only see for example the police moving on something if it were business related.

Like say you charged for people playing on your server and it was being interrupted.

You were trying to beta some missions that were commercial and trying to make a deadline and hackers/exploiters were delaying it.

They might move on something along those lines.Otherwise all we can do is report it and thats prolly as far as it will go.

edit: I want to add that a person paying for a server and then people spoiling the fun is somewhat a civil case.Its a personal loss and its you vs. them

If Bis were paying for a server and also selling the game they would have more of a important crimminal case

[Doolittle 0]

Maybe the situation is like this: there's crime in our neighborhood, the police say they can't do anything, so it's up to us to clean the place up. How we going to do this people? How we going to fight those that have no morals?

Doolittle

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

lol that was funny.

Yes sorry for my examples.Just that I am looking at it realistically.Unless you hand them the guys in cuffs, the police are unlikely to do anything.

I am sure more important stuff are at the top of their lists (fbi servers trying to be hacked,dmv,banks etc..)

And like i said... what about the freeliving trojans and spyware.

Brainstorming for a bit I could only see for example the police moving on something if it were business related.

Like say you charged for people playing on your server and it was being interrupted.

You were trying to beta some missions that were commercial and trying to make a deadline and hackers/exploiters were delaying it.

They might move on something along those lines.Otherwise all we can do is report it and thats prolly as far as it will go.

edit: I want to add that a person paying for a server and then people spoiling the fun is somewhat a civil case.Its a personal loss and its you vs. them

If Bis were paying for a server and also selling the game they would have more of a important crimminal case

Well, in some cases it is buissnes related.

Some of the clans/squads are actually

renting and BUYING their servers.

When these "kids" do what the do they are

breaking the law.

So if the serverowner cant do what he planed

to do whith the server i´d say its related.

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

[Doolittle 0]

What are you saying, Ziggy?

[jasono 0]

Walker,

In reply to your answer to what I said a few pages back.

I know it is breaking the law, but the police do not solve everything that comes to them.

Yes it is breaking the law - however the outcome of it is that a few people don't get to play a game. Compare that to other crimes out there still to be solved, it will just be put on the bottom of a pile of things to do. Like my mugging investigation, 2 years ago now - not one thing from the police. How will they deal with a low-life game cheater?

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

Well, guess we have to vigilant about this then..

Im willing to pay some "cash" to the one that TRULY

comes up with a "hack" that stops the other hacks.

[-Puma- 2]

we should start developing some counter hacks against 'em, and start a war

[walker 0]

Hi all

Quick warning to Puma

Not a good idea when the police are already investigating the TK/Cheater/Griefers and the website of the TK/Cheater/Griefers supporters and organisers  

In reply to BraTTy and JasonO

We have now established it is a crime. The police are already investigating it.

I think you are right. As with any job, people go the route of least resistance.

That is why it important to gather the evidence for them and make their life easier. A server owner has the server logs and packets from any incident as well as the IP addresses of the person who is perpertrating the crack.

A memory dump is also often created automatically if the server is downed and is certainly created if ArmA is downed.

These are just big data files.

It is a 10 minute job to report the crime. AND IT IS FREE!

A memory dump of a particular process can also be created at any time by the server owner with their admin package.

The police can also be directed to the website of the TK/Cheater/Griefers supporters and organisers. If you search for it with Google you can then click similar pages and get links into any page in the TK/Cheater/Griefers website supporters and organisers without the need to agree to their naive boilerplate. By the way the original boiler plate is proof of their activity in the first place.

It is a crime report it!

Encouraging as many server admins as possible to report to the police any the TK/Cheater/Griefers activity with logs and IP addresses raises the crimes profile with police.

More reports means better evidense for the police

The more cases that are reported the more chance that there is sufficient evidence for the crime to be prosecuted.

Remember Remember the 5th of November

An action day where lots of people ask the police what is happening with the cases that have already been reported and lots of people CC their letters/emails to their local political representatives and the media raises the profile of the crime.

Raising the profile of the crime in these ways makes the police want to deal with the crime because like anyone they follow the path of least resistance.

Having letters from different Game Developers and Publishers asking what is happening with the reported crime raises the profile with the police. The games industry is the biggest of the entertainment industries.

The games industry can also lodge an Amicus curiae brief in support of any cases; this along with the TK/Cheater/Griefers own Youtube videos, fraps and witness statements from gamers, hard drive images taken from the TK/Cheater/Griefers impounded computers, the hard drive images taken from the TK/Cheater/Griefers website supporters and organisers impounded computers; all provide a weight of evidence that will drown the TK/Cheater/Griefers in their own criminal actions.

Kind regards walker

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

What are you saying, Ziggy?

I saying that Chaos is trolling this topic, and not to engage him repeatedly. We have established his opinion by reading it over and over and over again, there is no need for him to say anything more in this unless he has something new to add to the topic of conversation.

just agree to disagree and MOVE ON!

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

I already did that. Well see if somethings happened by Walkers fantasy date of November 5th.

[i had nothing better to do the other day then to be here arguing my points and beliefs. Wasnt in the gaming mood, especially since all the games seem to get ruined by KFC anyways.]

[jasono 0]

So police are investigating it? May I ask what country/police unit exactly?

[Nutty_101 0]

The best bet is to make something that stops the public version of their hacks. That would help quite a bit to be honest. Plus if we can post all the ip's of people doing it we should be ok. There are so few people playing this anyway that we should be ok.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

Yes your tool seems to be a step in the right direction.

I know theres got to be some game scripting means to stop some of what they can do as well.

Like examples for scripts they made which I posted that prevent yourself from having your keyboard disabled and their way of undisabling everyone elses keyboard.

Theres got to be some bright scripters in the community who can help.

Your tool can detect the disable input command ?

Which would be another way of stopping it...

[BLSmith2112 0]

This is a business related issue...

Example: I pay money for a service renting a server. That server is unstable and shuts off 5x a day because some hoodlum is causing it to. It doesn't even need to be related to armed assault or any game. If you own a business server, and the kids across the street remotely turn off the servers in the server room in your building.. its the same thing.