Hezbollah faction?

[Col. Faulkner 0]

Oh God forbid if Russia/Iran/China/North Korea/Santa Claus should purchase SteelBeast Pro PE!

That would be the end of us all!

I don't really think disclosure of military secrets is the

point at issue here.

Israeli troops from the 1960s and 70s is one of the addon

projects I'd like to do also - sometime later once I've

properly  mastered addon creation.

And Shin-Raider seems to have posted in the wrong thread.

What's all that "80 lashes" garbage about?

[sfc.itzhak 0]

to tell you the truth i really don't give a XXXX about is written here and especially by xira.!

my stuff is used by private groups and thats the way it gonna stay at the moment!!

and this is a thing called internal security and as one who was in the army and still is in army reserve

I don't want the enemy to see what the idf solider wear to combat and what tactics they use

or what kind of ammo or weapons is used ..

i have every to do what i want with what i made!

[franze 196]

shinRaiden, come on, can't you be a little more subtle?

+2WL, 1 week PR.

As to the rest of you, tread lightly - you're on shaky ground. If this gets out of hand, it's getting locked.

Keep it civil.

[Chip360 0]

@Chip360 Those iraqi vehicle reskins i made will be released again in a new iraqi pack complete with 65 new units. Iraqi army, national gaurd, swat, national police, special forces, civillians, insurgents, red crescent units, everything you need to make a mission in iraq. The insurgents can be used in any country really...

I just died and went to heaven!

Thank you so much sir, this is great news!

Although @Itchzak: it's a shame about the idf, I mean, I really don't believe its a big deal if people find out what weapons you guys are using and what are they going to do if they do? Oh no! They are using "X" Gun with "Y" Camo, Im sure if someone wanted to know, they could just run a simple google search, or research it themselves...

But If you really believe the security of the Idf can be at stake, then perhaps it is all for the best..

[sfc.itzhak 0]

@Chip360 Those iraqi vehicle reskins i made will be released again in a new iraqi pack complete with 65 new units. Iraqi army, national gaurd, swat, national police, special forces, civillians, insurgents, red crescent units, everything you need to make a mission in iraq. The insurgents can be used in any country really...

I just died and went to heaven!

Thank you so much sir, this is great news!

Although @Itchzak: it's a shame about the idf, I mean, I really don't believe its a big deal if people find out what weapons you guys are using and what are they going to do if they do? Oh no! They are using "X" Gun with "Y" Camo, Im sure if someone wanted to know, they could just run a simple google search, or research it themselves...

But If you really believe the security of the Idf can be at stake, then perhaps it is all for the best..

if you never been in the military you will never understand it..

and sry but the stuff i make are like the real thing like inside the apc where troops enter where the come out or where is the ammo in the apc or what the numbering on the vehicles mean..

stuff like that shouldn't be used in a military sim where they can practice aiming at that soft spots..

arma is like mini vbs2 so figure yourself!

and its ain't a shame its play on the safe side.

[Guest]

Ok... so if units were to be made representing hezbollah faction.... What is the base requirement to make it instantly recognizable?

uniform?

looks quite diverse....

here are some pics....

http://www.emol.com/fotos2006/1307_hezbollah.jpg

http://federicoquevedo.bitacoras.com/hezbollah.jpg

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/hizballah-child-abuse-02.jpg

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/Hizbollah%20nazi%202.JPG

pic removed-wrong group

[dragonfire43560 27]

"Hey, I saw this totally awesome picture on the UK Daily Mail's web site of this guy getting caned in Tehran, Iran. There's also a video clip I saw once of someone being stoned, you could see the blood running out from under their burqa as they crumpled. The screams would be great for reference material too. I think it would be totally awesome if you could put that in game, so it would pump up the gore factor because that's really cool and awesome. The guy was all purple from the 80 lashes, and he was bleeding too. That would be really awesome, and I bet you guys can do that too.

Seriously, get a friggin life. "

Hey dumbass, hezbollah is lebanese not iranian. HOw about you get a life racist tard.

and to above poster, teh last one you posted is of a hamas soldier, not hezbollah.

[Guest]

@dragonfire..... pic removed......

for your other comments.......take it to PM

[W0lle 1050]

Hey dumbass, hezbollah is lebanese not iranian. HOw about you get a life racist tard.

+1 WL and 48h vacation from these forums for flaming and insulting.

[xira 0]

@Chip360 Those iraqi vehicle reskins i made will be released again in a new iraqi pack complete with 65 new units. Iraqi army, national gaurd, swat, national police, special forces, civillians, insurgents, red crescent units, everything you need to make a mission in iraq. The insurgents can be used in any country really...

I just died and went to heaven!

Thank you so much sir, this is great news!

Although @Itchzak: it's a shame about the idf, I mean, I really don't believe its a big deal if people find out what weapons you guys are using and what are they going to do if they do? Oh no! They are using "X" Gun with "Y" Camo, Im sure if someone wanted to know, they could just run a simple google search, or research it themselves...

But If you really believe the security of the Idf can be at stake, then perhaps it is all for the best..

if you never been in the military you will never understand it..

and sry but the stuff i make are like the real thing like inside the apc where troops enter where the come out or where is the ammo in the apc or what the numbering on the vehicles mean..

stuff like that shouldn't be used in a military sim where they can practice aiming at that soft spots..

arma is like mini vbs2 so figure yourself!

and its ain't a shame its play on the safe side.

oh man, u and ur security whatever :P. cmon , just use the www.israeli-weapons.com

[xira 0]

Ok... so if units were to be made representing hezbollah faction.... What is the base requirement to make it instantly recognizable?

uniform?

looks quite diverse....

here are some pics....

http://www.emol.com/fotos2006/1307_hezbollah.jpg

http://federicoquevedo.bitacoras.com/hezbollah.jpg

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/hizballah-child-abuse-02.jpg

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/Hizbollah%20nazi%202.JPG

pic removed-wrong group

hey man, well those uniforms are used in parades and such stuff, and about the pic that was named ( hizbollah children abuse ) or something, well its not how it works over here, in lebanon, we were killed, our houses were destroyed and our mother land was raped, and for generation after generation, we knew who was the enemy that did that, and well the children were raised on that.. and the pic , its just representing that even our youth are ready to fight the enemy, sorry for going off topic

take care

[Guest]

Ok, well Ive lost interest in this already..... I guess no point to making hezbollah units....

[simba 0]

Hezbolla pics are very easy to find, just go to mp.net...

[IDF-Godzilla 0]

xira, your brother is ain't no soldier but a terror organization member.

I support ITZHACK's decision, it won't be wise to create an IDF side for this game because of internal security reasons, you never know who will end up using them.

Ban me if you guys want, you know i'm right.

[NeMeSiS 11]

xira, your brother is ain't no soldier but a terror organization member.

I support ITZHACK's decision, it won't be wise to create an IDF side for this game because of internal security reasons, you never know who will end up using them.

Ban me if you guys want, you know i'm right.

I dont think it would matter, if people wanted to train against a specific army/group/whatever they might as well use other units (as placeholders) or create them themselves.

[Ilaafi 0]

In my opinion, both sides, Israel and Hizbollah, are considered as terrorists in Human rights in EU. No need to make Mod on either side. Both even violate this forums regulations in writing here.

PS We Finns liked you Israelians, ( myself I ve some jewish blood in my family)

But you behavior against UN troops, me too, is totally from arse! You fired on us UN Post. I did hold my trigger. But only this once.

Now you deserve this hate you get!

[xira 0]

xira, your brother is ain't no soldier but a terror organization member.

I support ITZHACK's decision, it won't be wise to create an IDF side for this game because of internal security reasons, you never know who will end up using them.

Ban me if you guys want, you know i'm right.

I dont think it would matter, if people wanted to train against a specific army/group/whatever they might as well use other units (as placeholders) or create them themselves.

well look, i dont wanna get off the topic and turn this into some argue, but well who was the terrorist when u killed the UN troops and officers, or who raped another country's soil, and killed thousands of children and women, we are fighting for and in our country, remember that u'r fighting on urs

[simba 0]

Quote[/b] ]xira, your brother is ain't no soldier but a terror organization member.

I support ITZHACK's decision, it won't be wise to create an IDF side for this game because of internal security reasons, you never know who will end up using them.

Ban me if you guys want, you know i'm right.

nobody is going to ban you for saying such things,

free speech is almost a reality on BIS forum,

but don't play it to much like the Israelian were all clean in this business... far from it.

[NeMeSiS 11]

xira, your brother is ain't no soldier but a terror organization member.

I support ITZHACK's decision, it won't be wise to create an IDF side for this game because of internal security reasons, you never know who will end up using them.

Ban me if you guys want, you know i'm right.

I dont think it would matter, if people wanted to train against a specific army/group/whatever they might as well use other units (as placeholders) or create them themselves.

well look, i dont wanna get off the topic and turn this into some argue, but well who was the terrorist when u killed the UN troops and officers, or who raped another country's soil, and killed thousands of children and women, we are fighting for and in our country, remember that u'r fighting on urs  

Are you sure you wanted to quote me? Last time i checked the Dutch killed noone overthere.

[Col. Faulkner 0]

This thread has been well and truly hijacked and is now

heading out of control for the broken down rail bridge. In

any case, I do think it's served its purpose; "MilesTeg" is

apparently making Hezbollah addons for ArmA. "Djfrogstar"

was valiantly willing to have a go too but has been driven

away by the uncool vibes.

[opteryx 1562]

Guys, the best thing to do now would be to calm down and suppress whatever hostile comments you'd like to post and just leave it there, please I am tired of seeing people getting WL's after WL's for stuff like this , you know just as well as I do that you won't achieve anything except getting your ban-o-meter raised.

Also this topic is terribly off-topic

[W0lle 1050]

This thread indeed screams to be locked by now since it has nothing anymore to do with the intial idea (no matter if it's a good or bad one) but is just about ME politics now.

I give it another hour or two to let it get back on topic or it faces the same faith as other off-topic threads.

[Chip360 0]

Um....

So........

Uh.....

Ya! About that Hezbolla faction and the appropriate enemy for it the Idf.... Um, anyone working on it atm?

(This topic is officially back on topic )

[miles teg 1]

Woe hold on...to my IDF friends...The LoBo mod for OFP is already free for anyone and everyone to use or abuse.   Its the same for every realistic addon of US troops.  Any Iraq insurgent can get ahold of such addons for OFP or ArmA (arguably the most realistic total war simulators) or any FPS game.   America and Israel should ban all such games if they are worried about terrorists getting ahold of it.  

But lets all be realistic folks... Hezbollah and ANY guerilla and/or terrorist organization does not need OFP or ArmA to get all the facts they want about IDF units, US military units, or that of any country.  The Lost Brothers Mod for example, bases all of its information on open-source info that is not classified.  We in fact DO NOT want classified info.   Things like uniforms, ranks, units, etc... is already well known to just about every opponent of Israel.   My missions are not based on actual IDF missions or even tactics.  They are only loosely based on my own military experience in the US Army.   So again, unless IDF soldiers (or ex-soldiers) make such missions, there is no danger of revealing such tactics (many of which are beyond the capability of most mission makers to simulate anyways).

Likewise the AI of ArmA and OFP can not simulate accurately many modern infantry tactics.   Advanced infantry tactics can only be done in MP games.  So unless you IDF guys and Hezbollah guys both decide to play a MP match against each other, there is no chance of such tactics being revealed other than in actual real-life combat.

Technologically, again, we reveal nothing in ArmA or OFP because the game engines are in most instances not capable of perfectly simulating many advanced electronic fire control and defensive systems used in real life.  This was likely done intentionally by BIS for PRECISELY this reason.  All of our armor settings are approximations as well and do not reveal detailed weak areas of any IDF armored vehicle.  Hezbollah, already knows most of the weak spots as they are the usual weak spots found on most tanks.  Typical weak areas of tanks are nothing secret and as long as you have a powerful enough AT weapon, you can punch through the usual weak spots found on all tanks.

So really everyone needs to chill out.  LoBo already made Hezbollah units just like we made IDF units, Egyptian units, Iranian units, and soon, Jordanian and Syrian units (all of which will hopefully be ported into ArmA).   We've even had an Egyptian general send us non-classified information on small arms used by Egyptian units and uniform types just as we have Israeli advisors who help us with stuff like ranks, weapons load-outs, engine sounds, voices, etc...

 

Yes the games can also be used for propaganda purposes but its fair for all sides to do it.  In some of the movies I've made, I've been accused of creating "Zionist propaganda".  I just shrug it off and don't take such people seriously and let them believe whatever they want.  

Like it or not, making propaganda videos is true for many FPS games which have West vs. Middle East armies or that have mods for such things.  A quick check on You-Tube can confirm this.   I perfer that then to watching actual videos of people dying.   Better for it to be virtual then real.  

Personally I actually do look forward to the day when IDF and Hezbollah will only fight each other on video games rather then in real life.  

EDIT-

FINALLY TO CLEAR THINGS UP...YES EVENTUALLY the Lost Brothers Mod will create Hezbollah units in ArmA but only AFTER we get our IDF stuff ported over.  Our mod is not a political mod.  That is why I make missions showing both sides, although granted I make alot more IDF missions.

Unfortunatley the conflict in Lebanon is still very fresh and so emotions are still high. I recommend everyone to just chill out and enjoy the game. Leave the politics to other forums.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Marxis 0]

it would be kinda grotesque to see an IDF and perhaps - Hamas play a PC game match