06 -07 -07 Attempted London Bombing

[walker 0]

Hi all

As any one who is watching the news will know there appears to have been another attempt at bombing London.

Terrorism relies on fear by simply refusing to be afraid of such cowards one employs the best of weapons against them and negate their power to affect us.

I will still be riding on London buses and the tube, I will still be visiting night clubs and gigs, I will still go to the theatre and cinema, I will still go to galleries and museums, I will still go to festivals, carnevals and parades, I will still visit the bars and restaurants, I will not be made into the sniveling coward they want. I will not be afraid.

I do not believe in a war on terrorism that raises them beyond their true capabilities. These people who plant bombs they are not warriors, they are not soldiers, they are mental defectives, cowards and criminals nothing more.

It is for the police to catch them and the courts to lock them up.

The bomb appears to have been fairly crude and using petrol, calor gas, and nails.

The bombers like the mental defectives one expects as bombers mucked it up. They left the police tons of evidence. We even know where they got the gas cylinders from.

See the picture in this news article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages....id=1770

Those gas cylinders came from this company

http://www.calor.co.uk/gas.htm

That company has records, the car is complete and full of forensic evidense: finger prints, DNA, fibres, the petrol canisters will have come from a forcourt somwhere and the petrol can be tracked to particular supplier. Those forcourts have CCTV kept for months. CCTV on, street corners, in shops, motorways, buses, tubes and rail stations as well as the Congestion Charge cameras will have recorded them.

These people will be caught, their contacts will be traced; now those people must fear the early moring knock at the door or the person watching them across the street or the new friend or their nosy neighbour or the persons they do not even see, they must fear their phone bills, and bank accounts, they must fear their contacts and friends, they must fear their house and family, they must fear thei own television and car. They must live in fear because someone is looking for them. And when they are caught and convicted they will be old and grey and probaly senile when they get out jail.

And no matter what they do Londoners will continue on as they did in the blitz.

We are still not afraid.

Kind Regards walker

[Monkwarrior 0]

Agree.

Your attitude is the only solution to this minor problem.

[JdB 151]

Terrorism doesn't work anymore, when like in London everybody just goes about their business. Sure, it may frighten people the first few times, but after countless years of IRA bombings, you get used to it, and terrorism does not spread "terror" anymore.

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

I praise your attitude and statement, walker, but you got one thing wrong... terrorists are also such mental defects that they don't fear a thing, some even welcome death, otherwise they wouldn't be terrorists...

[shinRaiden 0]

@Walker :

I don't think they mucked it up at all, phone triggered bombs have been quite reliable in Iraq and Afghanistan. Furthermore, even if you're in an active warzone, it's impractical to flatten an entire area with jammers, and that will just encourage other triggers. Just a technical operations point.

As the reports indicate, nobody observed anything out of the ordinary, until emergency services arrived on an unrelated call. It was the incident response officer, who's job it was to look for situation anomalies and site control, who spotted the car vapor and chose to investigate.

A phone triggering device suggested that it was not a suicide operation, and while imminently dangerous, there remained a window of opportunity to remove the triggering device which they did immediately.

The moral of this story is not that you should OD while clubbing so EMS shows up, it's that you should be aware of your surroundings, whether it be Pedobear or Jihad Juba in your neighborhood.

@JDB :

Ambivalence is an equally dangerous consequence of terrorism regardless of the target. Ambivalence in Lebanon is what led to the prolonging of the civil war, and a culture now built on a lifestyle of destruction and revenge. Ambivalence to atrocities is what led to the escalations that built WW1 and WW2.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

The good thing about the bombs, is that if you are hit, you will probably never know

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

Then again, Espectro, if you survive such a blast, you'll probably never forget it for the rest of your life...

[jtec 0]

Its sad to have us normal people put in this situation because of our government. I hate terrorists, but i hate governments just as much. Some people may say its a stupid comment but if we didnt invade countries or stick our noses into other countries problems then we wouldnt get all this crap! Its basically like Tony blair and all his cronies starting a fight with a big chap who doesnt mind having a scrap and then running behind a innocent bystander to take the punch.

While im here slightly off topic, but Blair as a middle east peace envoy is a joke. Its a insult to all the families in Iraq that have lost innocent members of their family, because of this war for oil.

[baddo 0]

Argh, just when I am planning to travel to London with my family this comes up!

But you know what? This is not going to stop us. I mean, I could die here in Finland as well any moment. I'm going to go drive my car in a couple of minutes and I think I have a much bigger chance to get killed in a road accident than in terrorist attacks even if in London. So as long as that remains true, I might as well continue our plan to travel to London.

About jeftec's comment: well yes it is only a natural consequence that you get attacked if you go on rampage elsewhere in the World, like in the Middle East. What goes around comes back or how the saying goes. It's true for every one of us, I believe. United Kingdom and ESPECIALLY USA must choose their leaders and politics wisely, there are the key to success, not in wars. The war in Iraq has been very, very questionable right from the beginning in my eyes, and over time I have become even more convinced that it was a horrible mistake from some people to start it. Or it is part of a much bigger plan, which should be brought to halt as soon as possible. If USA and its allies become too powerful throughout the World, it is only a question of time then when other big countries simply get too much pissed of the situation and put a stop to it violently.

Well I must say I hope things get sorted out for better some day and all this is not necessary anymore. It's just very sad that the war in Iraq has been so badly f***** up right from the beginning. For the sake of USA and its great citizens, I'd trial G.W.B. and his minions in court to force them really explain what exactly have they been doing while in power.

Best Wishes to all,

Baddo.

[stevevcb 3]

Its sad to have us normal people put in this situation because of our government. I hate terrorists, but i hate governments just as much. Some people may say its a stupid comment but if we didnt invade countries or stick our noses into other countries problems then we wouldnt get all this crap! Its basically like Tony blair and all his cronies starting a fight with a big chap who doesnt mind having a scrap and then running behind a innocent bystander to take the punch.

While im here slightly off topic, but Blair as a middle east peace envoy is a joke. Its a insult to all the families in Iraq that have lost innocent members of their family, because of this war for oil.

My sentiments exactly.

[redpride 0]

According to "normal functionalities" of every society in every nation on this planet we are all responsible for the actions of our chosen representatives of our states. Even if they tangle us up in a war. We all either stand abide it or aside it during an invasion. or else.

[shinRaiden 0]

Breaking news :

SUV rams into Glasgow Airport Main Terminal, Explodes, no injuries other than perps. http://www.reuters.com/article....sp=true

[DBO_ 0]

pretty ironic how all these terrorists can afford to waste gas and petrol and i cant even afford to fill my car up.

Oil war ? i guess thats about as close to an oil war as it gets when one side is fighting for it and the other is fighting with it huh ?

[Gisen 0]

According to BBC news the glasgow incident is still possibly a car that went on fire and the driver lost control of.

Keep calm and carry on.

[Messiah 2]

you're reading the wrong news then:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6257606.stm

Glasgow police confirmed its a suspected terrorist attack - the more severely injured of the two suspects was later found to have a suicide vest attached to his body when he had his clothes removed in hospital. Saturday was the first day of the Scottish school holidays, the terminal was filled to capacity with families traveling on their summer holidays.

The Jeep had gas cylinders and petrol inside it, as with the London attacks. Not to mention there are reports that the two cars in London originated from Scotland

Breaking news as I sit here listening to BBC news 24 behind me on the TV:

Two people arrested in connection with the London/Scotland bombings/attempted bombings

[ghad121 0]

heh lucky the emergancy responce team were quick on there feet they could have caused a bigger death toll at the tiesto event in edinburgh airport

[Gisen 0]

@ messiah

Of course the police are going to say its a suspected terrorist attack, that doesn't mean that it wasn't just an accident. The latest information is that the belt the guy was wearing was NOT an explosive device, it was just 'suspicious' which could mean anything really. The more people using a terminal the more likely an accident is. I have petrol in my car too, and sometimes I have gas cylinders if I'm going hiking or something - none of these facts are 100% supportive of a terrorist attack.

Personally I think its likely that it was a terrorist attack, but there is no need to jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. Just consider how the police and media would treat it if it was a completely innocent coincidence: exactly the same as a terrorist attack until they knew better.

[Messiah 2]

no, i disagree - you have too much faith

In all seriousness, yes, this could have been an accident, but every terrorist event in the world could be played out as a tragic accident through the correct set of circumstances - jumping to conclusions is deffinately one thing, and I agree I should take myself down a peg or two, but a grasp of reality is also important. You must agree that there are far too many coincidences in these series of events.

[Gisen 0]

As I said, I also think it was probably a terrorist attack, however I think we should stick what we know and not conclude anything until the facts are in.

Most humans have almost no idea of what coincidences are and how probable they are. Which is why people believe in ghosts, psychics, the power of prayer and so on; they do not understand probability.

Coincidences are not proof of anything.

[Commando84 0]

i hate it that they go for london all the time, man i've been there and its very nice and urban and old school at the same time and pubs are very nice too, cant believe why stupid terrorists would go there, they got like tons of cameras and security in London

[mattxr 9]

Why would two guys crash into the main terminal, pour liquid over them selves car goes up in flames way faster than wouldnt normaly happen then 1 of the men jumps out and starts attack people while the other is on fire still trying to drive the car further into the buiding.

Why would you do that if its an accident? Attack people and try to furuther drive a burning car into the building?

Ask me they should be hanged in the city centre. To show that we mean business. No more mr Nice guy.

[chipper 0]

damn 3 attempted attacks all failed those terrorists are STOOPID

[walker 0]

Hi all

@ Commando84

On that point the UK is probably the worst target for any bombers.

In every UK city, town, or village we have CCTV: in every police car, on virtualy every set of trafic lights or other major road junction, on every petrol station forcourt, on every major venue for crowd control, on every major motorway junction and along most of their length, as you come into any town on any road, in the banks, post offices, supermarkets, malls and corner shops, at the football grounds, on the busses, trains and tube; etcetera, etcetera...

And all this is before we get into covert surveilance by satelite, phone tap, helicopter, white van man and the rest.

In this sense the bombers on the UK are on a hiding to nowhere and will always get caught. Witness the fact that in every case of bombing or attempted bombing the police have pictures that trace the bombers back to the place they live.

In the future cars will all be tracked by RDF if they go into London they are already tracked by camera, your mobile already is, your credit, debit and loyalty card use is tracked.

Of course we need to discuss all this as a nation but as to bombers like I say they will get caught.

Kind Regards walker

[AfrographX 0]

Hi all

@ Commando84

On that point the UK is probably the worst target for any bombers.

In every UK city, town, or village we have CCTV: in every police car, on virtualy every set of trafic lights or other major road junction, on every petrol station forcourt, on every major venue for crowd control, on every major motorway junction and along most of their length, as you come into any town on any road, in the banks, post offices, supermarkets, malls and corner shops, at the football grounds, on the busses, trains and tube; etcetera, etcetera...

And all this is before we get into covert surveilance by satelite, phone tap, helicopter, white van man and the rest.

In this sense the bombers on the UK are on a hiding to nowhere and will always get caught. Witness the fact that in every case of bombing or attempted bombing the police have pictures that trace the bombers back to the place they live.

In the future cars will all be tracked by RDF if they go into London they are already tracked by camera, your mobile already is, your credit, debit and loyalty card use is tracked.

Of course we need to discuss all this as a nation but as to bombers like I say they will get caught.

Kind Regards walker

Quite impressive and perhaps effective against terrorists after an attack. It's effectivness on overall crime levels is debatable.

But damn sounds a lot like total surveillance, don't know if I could get comfortable living in such a country. Only suggesting installing a similiar extensive surveillance system in Germany would trigger a lot of criticism.

[Messiah 2]

not to mention motorway flyovers/bridges now have ANPR systems that'll read your number plate in a fraction and if its wanted, dispatch a patrol vehicle to greet you further down the road.

its not that bad - I don't tend to notice it anymore. At any rate it's quite amusing pulling the freedom of information act on them and asking for copies of the CCTV tapes in which you feature. Good way to piss someone off for a day