ArmA is just ... disappointing

[Sc@tterbrain 0]

Nothing new in the NEWS section for 2 MONTHS! October 16th was the last bit of "news"......par for the course.

Driving your fans away and killing a community 101.

[Rexxenexx 0]

my biggest problem with ArmA is the troubles with the 8800. its desperatly frustrating spending 1k of hard earned cash and then not being able to play one of your most favorite games.

Without wanting to turn this into a troubleshooting thread, is there any sort of solution to the 8800 problems?

Cut the view distance (don't go over 4000, try 3000 first), No Shadows, Aniso to Normal, Post Processing to Low (PostP just makes ArmA look like a Porno), no AA, crank everything else. Try that and see how long you can play. If all is good then crank Shadows and try again for a long time to make sure (I always leave Shadows off in MP). If THAT is good then slowly try adding View distance. Texture pre-fetching is what turns our cards retarded, but I've had worse with my other computer's 6800 Ultra until I tuned things down. Good luck!

[Heatseeker 0]

Actually, I'm more embarrassed for BIS than I am angry. This was nothing but highway robbery of a faithful following of believers. These many followers and supporters from the first days of OFP to Resistance have stood by, waited patiently for almost 4 years and for what? Absolutely nothing.

You should feel embarassed to make this kind of trash post in here, Arma is 1+ year old! Let it go and pick another game to hate?

I mean the game isnt perfect and will never be perfect, i have it, been playing it from the start and got my money's worth in play time.. and growing, you make it sound like OPFR was a perfect game or something..

1+ year worth of game (and growing) out of 30€ and free content (official addons), 1.09 in the works, CWR in the works, i feel lucky..

Ffs, i recently got Crysis (almost 60€) and it spent 5 days on my HD!! Its played, shelved and forgoten, it didnt meet my expectations but im not acusing EA of ruining my life or stealing my money...

If you are disapointed about something be specific and straight about it, the name of this thread isnt: "BIS/Arma bashing for minors".

X-mas is almost here so stop feeling so miserable ffs .

[Tuareg 0]

I know it is my first post, but I just have to say this.

As an oldschool OFP player, who started playing the game from the first months, joined clans, leagues, worldchamps, total wars, etc, and finally put the game in the shelf after playing it for 2 or 3 or 4 years (whatever), cause I just wanted something new I must say this game has really been a huge disapointment for me.

Even more so because of the waiting time for the release and all the expectations I had put on it

I have been following this forum since then, coming here regularly, not only because of the expectation for arma, but also hoping that the community would keep going on like it was back at ofp days and was always glad to see that there were still a lot of players also hoping for the release of Arma.

I brought the game, played it for a month or 2, was happy to talk to some old players again also but that's just it.

My rig is fairly decent, DC Oc@3.4ghz, 8800 ultra (no graphic probs or CTD's), etc, so I can play the game with high settings and get good fps, but even with good playability i find the game boring.

Every thing's boring about the game, with all this ultra realistic bull, the game lost all the fun. (and I mean online play, I don't have chinese patience for the campaign with those exaggeratedly sharp ai's.)

I miss the shooting while running, the fast aiming, the fast gaming, this is just a boring camper's game now, everything looks slow motion.

To put it plain simple ARMA sucks, maybe not so much for those who didn't play OFP, but I'm sure the majority of OFP players have the same opinion (k, I know many won't), and the proof of it are the empty servers, and it's not just for the lack of maps IMO, even old ctf maps suck in this game.

I just hope there is a decent release again of a game like this one, preferably not by BIS, cause I won't be spending any more money here so soon, if ever, that's for sure.

Regarding Arma2, just by seeing those rusty vehicles from OFP in the screenshots, I think that says it all.

Tuareg

[bangtail 0]

Nothing new in the NEWS section for 2 MONTHS!  October 16th was the last bit of "news"......par for the course.

Driving your fans away and killing a community 101.  

Agreed, this whole "there might be a 1.09 if we have time while we are making ArmA 2" is a slap in the face to the loyal community who have stood by BIS since 2001.

BIS are starting to look like Pterodon (Vietcong and the pathetic Vietcong 2). They made a great game which everyone loved and then they screwed the community in favour of making a fast buck. Take a look where they are now BIS, because you will be there as well if you dont straighten up and fly right.

Facts are facts and everytime I load ArmA and try to enjoy it I get angry at the fact that it STILL doesn't work properly with 8800s! The game has bugs that have been around since OFP that STILL have not been addressed! There are NEW bugs that STILL have not been addressed, and BIS are making a new game?

Ill bet cash money that ArmA 2 is ArmA in a different locale with some bells and whistles tacked on like wildlife for instance, that was supposed to be in ArmA. BIS will act like they are doing us a favour by putting it in ArmA 2 but tbh what could have been a fantastic continuing franchise despite its flaws has been ruined by greedy, unprincipled people who are intent on cashing in on the good name of OFP.

OFP 2 was not announced 1 year after OFP. The simple reason for this is that OFP took several years to evolve and really only peaked in 2004 - 2005. ArmA needs the same period to evolve and take shape. Announcing another game after the pathetic launch of ArmA is not a smart move. ArmA 2 better be polished and a cut above because if it isnt, people will know about it long before BIS makes any money.

Personally I would continue development of ArmA and put out some quality addons in the style of Red Hammer and Resistance as opposed to trying to sell a whole new game. A game that will really have to be perfect in every way to be any kind of success commercially or otherwise.

E

[Rexxenexx 0]

It would be nice if ArmA owners could get a discount when buying ArmAII. It only seems fair.

[W0lle 1052]

Agreed, this whole "there might be a 1.09 if we have time while we are making ArmA 2" is a slap in the face to the loyal community who have stood by BIS since 2001.

Who from BIS said that? What are your sources?

Instead of spreading lies you should stick to facts you can prove. Patch 1.09 (and if necessary even further) will be released once the issues which currently keeps it from being released are fixed.

I don't know how many times this crap has been discussed, but just for you I repeat it (you hopefully get it then):

Development of the ArmA patch(es) and development of ArmA II is done by 2 different teams. The fact that ArmA II is under development has nothing to do with the huge delay of 1.09.

Rexxenexx

This thread is about disappointments with ArmA, not a wishlist thread.

[bangtail 0]

Spreading lies? I think not. I didn't directly quote any member of the BIS team, I simply made an allegation based on the noise or lack of noise coming out of BIS. It's quite understandable that you defend the game but ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. There hasnt been any kind of news concerning ArmA since October and the last patch was 6 months ago. Since then all I have seen on Fansites etc is "ArmA 2 will have this and ArmA 2 will have that", while ArmA remains broken.

Like I said Wolle, ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS.

Take care,

E

[dm 9]

I simply made an allegation based on the noise or lack of noise coming out of BIS.

If you really have been a loyal fan of BIS since 2001, then you would know that there is rarely, if ever, "noise" coming from them.

They work hard "behind the scenes", and stuff is done when its done. Just because they arent giving you daily progress updates, doesnt mean they're all slacking off...

[bangtail 0]

I simply made an allegation based on the noise or lack of noise coming out of BIS.

If you really have been a loyal fan of BIS since 2001, then you would know that there is rarely, if ever, "noise" coming from them.

They work hard "behind the scenes", and stuff is done when its done. Just because they arent giving you daily progress updates, doesnt mean they're all slacking off...

I've been playing OFP since release. I don't expect daily reports. You can't mount a coherent defense because there isn't one. Announcing a new game when the 1st one isnt finished is weak (and was never the case during the ENTIRE life of OFP). ArmA 2 will fall flat on it's face if it isn't :

A : Distinguishable from ArmA.

B : Released in a "complete" state.

Given BIS track record, B is not likely. I don't want to see them fail, I just understand the harsh realities involved when you take advantage of customers. That may not be BIS, that may well be the publisher, but the end result will be the same.

I have no wish to flame so I will leave it there.

PS : I must commend you on some great mods/addons for OFP

[Sc@tterbrain 0]

Patch 1.09 (and if necessary even further) will be released once the issues which currently keeps it from being released are fixed.

Development of the ArmA patch(es) and development of ArmA II is done by 2 different teams. The fact that ArmA II is under development has nothing to do with the huge delay of 1.09.

Wow THAT really clears things up and builds my confidence....

Everyone has their own limit of patience and loyalty.  But as a whole it seems evident that the number of weary remaining fans should be of great concern to BIS.

It may be, but the community wouldn't know it.  The comedy of errors and lack of any clear message from BIS means that the community is left to speculate wildly about the promise of a patch, or the end of the franchise.

The fact that BIS would neglect the base of their future earning potential, and leave us to make our own illinformed presumptions about the future of the company.....does not bode well.

This community is a ship with nobody at the wheel.  The waters may be warm and clear ahead, they may be filled with iceburgs that could sink it without warning....hell, for all we know this ship is outa gas ( $ ) and run aground already.

What do I know.  I'm just a suker that dropped $40 ( TWICE! ) for this game, which clearly excludes me from being the voice of reason.

58 Days since the last post in "Arma-News" thread.

86 Days since the last post in "BI News" thread.

[CyDoN 0]

ArmA is a great game but what i feel is that when a game is released it must be ready to be played I know a bunch of ppl that never go on-line and maybe they dont even have Internet, generaly they dont care much about gaming they just want to have fun a couple of hours after work. Those ppl said that the game sucked (after the flight of the first Abrms that hit a rock). This is the 1st point where ArmA looses points for me; to download 1gb patches, well i dont think thats has to do anything with what ppl want, especially for those who have low connections. Finnaly the Ofp had a great success cause of the atmosphere, in ArmA u are a Random soldier in a Random place shooting Random Communists with far worse weapons that u have and all this imaginare story ends after 5 hours of game doesnt seem pretty intresting huh? What someone said, I think in this forum and was the most wise thing was something like "who fucking cares about sahrani"...

[charliereddog 9]

Who from BIS said that? What are your sources?

Instead of spreading lies you should stick to facts you can prove. Patch 1.09 (and if necessary even further) will be released once the issues which currently keeps it from being released are fixed.

Wolle, so he can claim one thing, and you can lie about another? I've never had any sight of BIS saying there'll be further support than 1.09. I can expect it, but I've never seen proof.

You're entire post can be turned on its head and sent back to you.

[Rexxenexx 0]

Rexxenexx

This thread is about disappointments with ArmA, not a wishlist thread.

Wishlist? Where's the list? What did I wish for? *Santa is watching*

Here, I'll give you a disappointment wish-list to validate your comment:

1.) I wish ArmA was optimized.

2.) I wish AI didn't come free with Aimbot v4.6.

3.) I wish Server.exe would run under XP on a Dual PIII system (my old server) like it does on Linux ON THE SAME MACHINE.

4.) I wish SP code worked in MP ALL THE TIME!"

5.) I wish anti-hacking code actually worked.

There's your list, but your comment is still null and void because the wish-list is on topic!

[Apache-LOL- 0]

Hi

Why ArmA sucks at this moment ...

No good working linux dedicated server available , not even after all this time .

The standard sounds of this game ? who made them , and worse who let them add this crap to a game like arma ?.

The extension pack ? arma runs better if you install that one , did we just had to buy our upgrade ?

It looks better than ofp that is for sure but they are working on arma 2 ? already haaah why not finish the first one ?

Upurs development get your ass back to the drawing board pronto make arma playable first .

Greets

[W0lle 1052]

@ Dec. 15 2007,11:04)]Hi

Why ArmA sucks at this moment ...

No good working linux dedicated server available , not even after all this time .

obviously the linux server runs pretty well. Otherwise there wouldn't that many servers.

Quote[/b] ]The standard sounds of this game ? who made them , and worse who let them add this crap to a game like arma ?.

True, I expected better sounds too.

Quote[/b] ]The extension pack ? arma runs better if you install that one , did we just had to buy our upgrade ?

Yes you indeed purchased an upgrade for the original game with queens gambit, but not a patch.

Quote[/b] ]It looks better than ofp that is for sure but they are working on arma 2 ? already haaah why not finish the first one ?

That has been discussed endless times already. CM announced OFP2, BIS announced ArmA2 - it's all about marketing and business.

Quote[/b] ]Upurs development get your ass back to the drawing board pronto make arma playable first .

That last comment is just way off and insulting. After all ArmA is playable or how you think people play it all day. Sure there are still things to fix and ever will be.

[Sevan 0]

Of course there are aspects of ArmA that are dissappointing, but what I don't like is how immature, insulting and negative much of the ArmA community has become. There is a point where negative critiscm stops being helpful. I honestly don't understand some of the complaints anymore. Even good news is interpreted negatively. Like the negativity over the announcement of ArmA2. What is there to complain about that a new version is coming out 2 or 3 years after the release of the first? should it be 6 years like OPF.

It's reaching a point where I am becoming much more dissappointed buy the ArmA community then I am ArmA.

[-Variable- 0]

1. The first thing that was dissapointing for me in ArmA was even before the game was published- its name. I really dont know what BIS was thinking about when they came up with the name of this game, but I find it hard to think of a worse name than ARMED ASSAULT It sounds like a name of a parody game that was meant to laugh about first person shooters. my best guess is that they wanted to name so it would apeal to youngsters, but even if I was 13 years old, I would have found this name simply- insulting. A game's name is important, just the way the graphics and the playability matter, and I am simply ashamed to tell people that I play a game named this way. unfortunately, the game's name predicted its shortcomings.

1. The game simply demands too much, hardware wise.

2. The campaign, and it was discussed endlessly, is poor, and especially in comparison with the cwc and resistance ones. ArmA campaign had absolutely no immerision at all.

3. Sometimes it feels like as if ofp was copy pasted into the game, the graphics were improved, but many things were left untouched. my first anticipation was that arma will 'fine tune' all the ofp mishaps- like AI behavior, the AI's amazing yet unrealistic accuracy etc. however, all these things were just left as they were, and in many occasions, was much worse- like witht the case of the squeeking cradio comms and the weird voices of the characters in them, through the bad bad bad vehicle control system.

I feel very dissapointed of this game. I do play it, but mainly because the community is leaving ofp and there are no other games with the same concept- one of the only good aspects of this game.

The sequel of ofp deserved a much better game than arma, it's a shame that arma was it. i dont know anything about BIS' commercial concerns but this game was published too early.

I hope ArmA 2 will not repeat the same problems. First of all, BIS should change its name!  

[[aps]gnat 28]

... but what I don't like is how immature, insulting and negative much of the ArmA community has become. There is a point where negative critiscm stops being helpful. I honestly don't understand some of the complaints anymore.

Agree .... its out of control, perspective and extreme in nature.

Its only been out a year and 100 other games have COME AND GONE in that time.

The "oh god, its so unplayable blah blah blah" doesn't rate highly with me when I see 20+ ppl on a server for 5+ hours play the > 1 < mission.

Some people seem to have forgotten how crappy OFP MP networking code was.

Hey, its not perfect, chances are you have to customize your setup to (hopefully) avoid crashes etc (thank goodness for JIP), but theres a 100 crappier games out there right this minute that everyone gets bored with after a week .... and so it seems they come back here to whine again LOL

[Nicolas Eymerich 0]

Critics should be critics and becase of that should be constructive. Although I've been disapponted by arma, i see that in this discussion some post are (very) offensive.

As always: intelligence is a rare gift...

[bangtail 0]

Of course there are aspects of ArmA that are dissappointing, but what I don't like is how immature, insulting and negative much of the ArmA community has become. There is a point where negative critiscm stops being helpful. I honestly don't understand some of the complaints anymore. Even good news is interpreted negatively. Like the negativity over the announcement of ArmA2. What is there to complain about that a new version is coming out 2 or 3 years after the release of the first? should it be 6 years like OPF.

It's reaching a point where I am becoming much more dissappointed buy the ArmA community then I am ArmA.

Sorry, I know some of you like this game and feel the need to defend it and that is your right. It does need some serious defense, lets face it.

There is, however, a statement in your post that I feel is incredibly unintuitive. To say that the announcement of ArmA 2 is "Good news" is entirely subjective. For a lot of us it is quite simply not good news.

I would much rather see the entire dev team focus on finishing ArmA and some half decent addons for ArmA than see ANOTHER buggy, unfinished game (ok thats speculation, but given BIS history, I think its fair).

OFP/ArmA have the luxury of being a very unique franchise and in that respect, it also gives BIS a great degree of latitude that they quite simply WOULD NOT HAVE if there was any viable competition.

I think many of the optimists on here fail to understand that many of the skeptics did not start out as skeptics. I certainly didn't, but through the process of experience, I feel I know what to expect and that is why I am constantly negative about ArmA 2.

If I am proved wrong I will be VERY pleasantly surprised.

E

[xxbbcc 6]

I think many of the optimists on here fail to understand that many of the skeptics did not start out as skeptics. I certainly didn't, but through the process of experience, I feel I know what to expect and that is why I am constantly negative about ArmA 2.

Just to add one more thing here (I agree with ethne): I really, really want to like ArmA. I loved OFP but I'm disappointed in ArmA because of all the old problems (from OFP) and all the additional bugs. BIS really makes it hard to like/use their game. I'd really like to be proven wrong about my low opinion of BIS.

And - based on experience - I, too, think that ArmA is going to be a buggy, unfinished game. Prove me wrong.

[BraTTy 0]

Alot of that doesn't even make sense.

Sevan wasn't even defending the game but whatever

First of all Arma is finished and released game.Demo and reviews available and you had some time to return it if unhappy ( I wish alot of you had).If someone wants the game they buy it.I spend more on a tank of gas for my car. No biggie , just another game. Nothing to cry about. People are buying COD and playing it for a week and shelf it.80% of the games I have bought in my lifetime aren't very good. Arma is not one of them.

If you did keep Arma and are somewhat unhappy, this is a good topic to express your concerns in a normal polite way.

And possible if they continue to develop it they may address some of the users concerns, but guess what "you bought it already" so don't pout and cry now.Its life

They don't HAVE to work on it anymore.We like it tho in the aspect its further development progress for Arma 2

My opinion and judging from some decent feedback why would they want to waste anymore manpower/money on a game that didn't do as well as expected.So guess what...That makes Arma 2 announcement "good news" for alot of people.

They surely have learned from any mistakes altho I hope they do consider that alot of it is just exaggerated statements from users and some is genuine stuff but some is way off and far fetched.Arma is certainly playable and a great game.

And Arma 2 is guaranteed to be better.After playing OFP alot of people just wanted anything more from this company.Arma a fillin, a stepping stone ,however you want to consider it.

Its just a small game developer trying to make money and bring us this type of gameplay that originated from their own desire/hobby.

Alot of this topic is rude and hurting their mojo, they don't want to hear everyday pissin and moaning, give em a break and let them work.

With all that said , its been a year , people had plenty of time to discuss their concerns and we heard it all in many different ways.If it had been kept civil I would have a different outlook but I vote to lock and bury this topic. Its bad for business.

People can play the demo and decide if they want to buy the game (alot of games don't even have demos)

[bangtail 0]

Alot of that doesn't even make sense.

Sevan wasn't even defending the game but whatever

First of all Arma is finished and released game.Demo and reviews available and you had some time to return it if unhappy ( I wish alot of you had).If someone wants the game they buy it.I spend more on a tank of gas for my car. No biggie , just another game. Nothing to cry about. People are buying COD and playing it for a week and shelf it.80% of the games I have bought in my lifetime aren't very good. Arma is not one of them.

If you did keep Arma and are somewhat unhappy, this is a good topic to express your concerns in a normal polite way.

And possible if they continue to develop it they may address some of the users concerns, but guess what "you bought it already" so don't pout and cry now.Its life

They don't HAVE to work on it anymore.We like it tho in the aspect its further development progress for Arma 2

My opinion and judging from some decent feedback why would they want to waste anymore manpower/money on a game that didn't do as well as expected.So guess what...That makes Arma 2 announcement "good news" for alot of people.

They surely have learned from any mistakes altho I hope they do consider that alot of it is just exaggerated statements from users and some is genuine stuff but some is way off and far fetched.Arma is certainly playable and a great game.

And Arma 2 is guaranteed to be better.After playing OFP alot of people just wanted anything more from this company.Arma a fillin, a stepping stone ,however you want to consider it.

Its just a small game developer trying to make money and bring us this type of gameplay that originated from their own desire/hobby.

Alot of this topic is rude and hurting their mojo, they don't want to hear everyday pissin and moaning, give em a break and let them work.

With all that said , its been a year , people had plenty of time to discuss their concerns and we heard it all in many different ways.If it had been kept civil I would have a different outlook  but I vote to lock and bury this topic. Its bad for business.

People can play the demo and decide if they want to buy the game (alot of games don't even have demos)

Sorry m8, cant agree with you at all. Closing the topic would be a VERY bad idea indeed as burying people's legitimate concerns maybe something you agree with but I can assure you many people here do NOT agree with you.

ArmA is finished in your opinion but fortunately for the rest of us it is neither you or I that define what is finished. Considering ArmA is still in many respects, broken, I think it HAS to be classed as unfinished based on existing definitions.

Finally, for you to say that most of what I said doesn't make sense is laughable. Some of what you said is priceless. I refer specifically to :

"They don't HAVE to work on it anymore.We like it tho in the aspect its further development progress for Arma 2"

Firstly, who is "we"?. Secondly, your argument is basically that it is ok for BIS to continually release unfinished games as long as they follow them up with consecutive unfinished games?

"They surely have learned from any mistakes altho I hope they do consider that alot of it is just exaggerated statements from users"

They surely did NOT. They imported half of them into ArmA.

"Its just a small game developer trying to make money and bring us this type of gameplay that originated from their own desire/hobby."

Business is business at the end of the day and another shoddy release will bury BIS, of this you can be assured. The size of the company is irrelevant to the quality of what it produces.

"With all that said , its been a year , people had plenty of time to discuss their concerns and we heard it all in many different ways.If it had been kept civil I would have a different outlook but I vote to lock and bury this topic. Its bad for business."

People are angry for a reason. You may want to think about that. They didnt just show up here because they had nothing better to do. Actions cause reactions. People have concerns and as much as a minority have not voiced them in a mature manner, most of what has been said in this thread is pertinent and should not be swept under the rug simply because you dont happen to agree.

Regards

E

[BraTTy 0]

Business is business at the end of the day and another shoddy release will bury BIS, of this you can be assured. The size of the company is irrelevant to the quality of what it produces.

I point out that you must watch what you say otherwise you may be the one to get sued. Arma is a decent release. Your saying that all these professional game reviewers are lying? Did Bis pay them off ?

http://www.armedassault.com/press.html

Only a few have your opinion

Good luck in life