Did BIS sold your free addons?

[USSRsniper 0]

And what the problem about selling addons? OFP Fans will still get good addons    Because they can't stop addon makers releasing stuff for OFP Company never can make addon maker stop releasing stuff for game he wants.

For example if you want addon to be for VBS1 and OFP nobody can say if you make it for VBS1 you can't make it for OFp

After a brief discussion with some addon makers, you may not be getting any addons at all from some people if this continues.

And what addons were sold? where is proof that they are using addons that were made fo free. Screenshots that i see here, looks like OFP for me  

maybe they use OFP + user made addons for demonstration not for selling. But i dont see any difference on those screens from OFP.

[Heatseeker 0]

From the movie...

Quote[/b] ] We has to deliver AMBUSH in a very short.?..and the ways we choose to that was not to start from scratch but to take a game off the shelve that had many *gulp* features already built into it to allow it to be extended and edited and modified by its users....

Seems they have chosen the right comercial game.

Its ironic this movie starts showing Flashpoint's sp mission Ambush...

[Ironsight 1]

And what the problem about selling addons? OFP Fans will still get good addons Because they can't stop addon makers releasing stuff for OFP Company never can make addon maker stop releasing stuff for game he wants.

For example if you want addon to be for VBS1 and OFP nobody can say if you make it for VBS1 you can't make it for OFp

After a brief discussion with some addon makers, you may not be getting any addons at all from some people if this continues.

And what addons were sold? where is proof that they are using addons that were made fo free. Screenshots that i see here, looks like OFP for me

maybe they use OFP + user made addons for demonstration not for selling. But i dont see any difference on those screens from OFP.

Why promote something that you aren't going to sell. Makes no sense to me

[Fab. 0]

I've been watching the video, and i was thinking... maybe their main argument would be that they sell their missions and whatever they did themselves, while only redistributing the free content from OFP fans... for free... would that be illegal ?

Everybody put in their readmes that their addons are not for commercial use, but does that mean it is forbidden to redistribute them for free along commercial content ?

Does any of the authors of the addons we can see on this video has ever stated in their readmes that their addons cannot be redistributed with commercial content or be used for military training purposes ?

[ShadowY 0]

..K everyone back to normal and play\create again

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[Desert-Rat 0]

Quote[/b] ]USSRsniper

.....maybe they use OFP + user made addons for demonstration not for selling....

You only belive on the good side of people but they dont want to demonstrate

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Even if addons aren't included and distributed with BBN's product, they're using other people's intelectual property to promote their work without the permission of the authors or any mention of who made what's on display in their publicity material. This doesn't seem legal to me.

[USSRsniper 0]

I don't see anything illegal here, but if software is released and it uses free addons then they will get in big problem. I dont think they want this. And about promoting without releasing, they have same right as users to modify addons for personal use. Lets hope they will not use this stuff in fully released software... I don't even see them promoting stuff, you think people got interested into making VBS1 on OFP engine without seeing free community made addons? Right now it's not a lot of info, for blaming them for using free addons.

[mattxr 9]

I think addon makers should go all the way and sue LOL

i know i wouldnt be happy, and What the hell now someone else has an OFP Engine lol i bet they remake it and says its theres with no proof and then BI will have copetition .. what were they thinking lol

[USSRsniper 0]

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[cobra@pulse 0]

Personnally, I think this is damn disgraceful and I for one demand a response from someone in either company to explain what the hell is going on here. Someone needs to straighten out what can be done and what cant be done. This needs to be done ASAP.

This is another case of ignoring the little guy. Kind of makes you wonder why people would bother to continue making addons for OFP, let alone make addons for Armed Assault if it ever comes out.

[Heatseeker 0]

I don't see anything illegal here, but if software is released and it uses free addons then they will get in big problem. I dont think they want this. And about promoting without releasing, they have same right as users to modify addons for personal use. Lets hope they will not use this stuff in fully released software... I don't even see them promoting stuff, you think people got interested into making VBS1 on OFP engine without seeing free community made addons? Right now it's not a lot of info, for blaming them for using free addons.

Did you actually watch the DARWARS MOVIE! (right click and save)

I doubt you did... because if you watch it you should then understand, they recorded several bits of a training session with military people, and their lan suffered desync too, how amateur can they be?

[USSRsniper 0]

they are saying take the game from the shelf instead of making it.... but what about addons in video, it's not part of game its part of OFP community   Did i just hear they already used it, maybe it means free addons included....     If its unmodified OFP, i think they have right to use free addons as users... but if it is, and it's not OFP    Looked to me just like regular OFP, they should train online, and use OFP fans for enemy

[honchoblack 2]

The narrator of the video states quite clearly that they are using the content they "found" in the gaming industry/internet. That they are monetoring the gaming industry for content that they may use. This makes it clear that they use and sell a product using community content without the permission of the original authors. To be exact, the authors of original content I spotted was by Mapfact (baracken), AG Smith (afghan and city objects), Catshit (afghan objects?), BAS (JAM), HYK (US Soldiers?)

[Bobcatt666 0]

Eh OFP1 is dead its getting a new lease on life and also the ability to save lives. Seeing how much VSB1 costs I would see this as a more viable alternitive. Above which it would save a number of lives givving troops a high level of training. Seeing OFP1 is used more by military as training/entertainainment than VSB1 and more flexable.

Think folks should really _reread_ the files that come with the tools created by BIS to make things for OFP1. I also would see this as a good exspassion pack seeing they did a lotof top end work on the game mmaking the command system and what not, but its mostly a mod. Seeing DARPA was involved BIS had to generate a lic for it to go through channels. OFP1 is dead anyway most everyone is got a raging hardon for AMA the minute that comes out it will be OFP1 what? As I've been told didn't want the addon being used should nnot have created nore relased said addon.

Hopfully the addons created for this trickle down itno OFP1 seeing its the same engine lot of units relased that are not in ofp1.

[cobra@pulse 0]

Btw, did anyone notice this video is almost a year old?

It was 2004 copyright @ the end...

Also, I might have seen Lasers weapons?

Also BWMOD's MAN trucks

[USSRsniper 0]

Btw, did anyone notice this video is almost a year old?

It was 2004 copyright @ the end...

Also, I might have seen Lasers weapons?

They showed video in 2004, now they are MAKING big money on free addons

[llauma 0]

Eh OFP1 is dead its getting a new lease on life and also the ability to save lives.  Seeing how much VSB1 costs I would see this as a more viable alternitive.  Above which it would save a number of lives givving troops a high level of training.   Seeing OFP1 is used more by military as training/entertainainment than VSB1 and more flexable.  

Think folks should really _reread_ the files that come with the tools created by BIS to make things for OFP1.  I also would see this as a good exspassion pack seeing they did a lotof top end work on the game mmaking the command system and what not, but its mostly a mod.   Seeing DARPA was involved BIS had to generate a lic for it to go through channels.  OFP1 is dead anyway most everyone is got a raging hardon for AMA the minute that comes out it will be OFP1 what?  As I've been told didn't want the addon being used should nnot have created nore relased said addon.  

Hopfully the addons created for this trickle down itno OFP1 seeing its the same engine lot of units relased that are not in ofp1.

What? They haven't done any new addons and it's not a mod but a commercial product earning money on stolen addons.

[jakerod 254]

First off it mentions in the EULA thing when you use O2 that they can use your addons for whatever they want. Second off if I were one of you I would love (and wish) for them to use one of my islands. I'd be very happy if a company thought that highly of my stuff to use it. But I suppose I have my opinion and you have yours.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Is this a commercial product or a private venture between DARPA and and BBN?

From what I've read, it appears DARPA has contracted BBN to effectively, put together an OFP mod for use in the US Military. It doesn't appear that they're selling it, technically speaking, but they've been payed to put it together. I don't see any information about allowing 3rd parties to purchase the thing.

[Heatseeker 0]

Yeah right, their are selling "their" property with dependencies to free, user made mods and addons, there are actually links in the readme directing to ofp.info... the military would definetly take it seriously .

And VBS1 might be costy to us but i doubt its costy for the military, they can use VBS1 to train soldiers and "save lives" if they want, i doubt this BBN company is giving it away for free and even if they were its still ilegal has the addons are being used outside the comercial game. I wouldnt be surprised if VBS1 is actually cheaper than DARWARS or any other sim out there.

OPF1 might be dying but the long hours of work, research and effort the modders have put to their free addons and other content are not something you throw away just like that .

And that hmmwv looks like Fischkopp's one reskined with crappy textures .

[LennyD 0]

Has anybody got serious infos on this?

What was sold? What is infact stolen?

If this turns into the next big kick into the coms *** i'll be deligted to donate some money for taking this to court (yea...don't tell me, i now where it leads).

[honchoblack 2]

Not all OFP addons/community content are made with BIS programs, what about the content that was made with programs that are independent from the BIS eula? And after all, is there not such a thing called intellectual property, which allows the maker to decide how the own content is used?

Why should it make me proud, that someone else earns money with stuff I made, without being asked or compensated?

[fubar_diver 0]

Well whatever is going on, i think that someone high up enough in these companies should explain, rather then letting the community get pissed off and angry and close to tearing new holes in people. Just my 2 cents.

[llauma 0]

Is this a commercial product or a private venture between DARPA and and BBN?

From what I've read, it appears DARPA has contracted BBN to effectively, put together an OFP mod for use in the US Military. It doesn't appear that they're selling it, technically speaking, but they've been payed to put it together. I don't see any information about allowing 3rd parties to purchase the thing.

This is from the VBS1 site:

Quote[/b] ]DARWARS Ambush! is a commercial military training product developed by Boston-based BBN Technologies as part of the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) DARWARS program.