The Middle East part 2

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Quote[/b] ]Looks like I got YnetNews tangled up into it because I had an article from there stuck in my clipboard. The report does indeed seem to be from the Jerusalem Post. But why does it matter if it's from the Jerusalem post?

Are you keeping track this topic? The converstion was about "you swallow Juerusalem post's fake about "destroying 40-50% Hizbollah's military capabilities". It was my answer on yours "You swallow hooks and other things about peaceful purposes"...   Please, pay more attention on your posts and words, as well as on topic's conversations.

Quote[/b] ]Captain Kirk

Childish...It wasn't even funny.

[Necromancer- 0]

Every Israëli newsagency is very biased...

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Quote[/b] ]Looks like I got YnetNews tangled up into it because I had an article from there stuck in my clipboard. The report does indeed seem to be from the Jerusalem Post. But why does it matter if it's from the Jerusalem post?

Are you keeping track this topic? The converstion was about "you swallow Juerusalem post's fake about "destroying 40-50% Hizbollah's military capabilities". It was my answer on yours "You swallow hooks and other things about peaceful purposes"... Please, pay more attention on your posts and words, as well as on topic's conversations.

Quote[/b] ]Captain Kirk

Childish...It wasn't even funny.

You don't want those statistics to be true, do you?

Your post is inane and did not dispell anything I said. I said that your country swallowed that lie from Iranians hook, like, and sinker because your government has already given about 70 BRDMs to the terrorist Palestinian Authority. By the way, you don't even understand the "hook, line, and sinker" thing, do you?

Why exactly would the Jerusalem Post make these figures up? They're not exactly the brightest as far as original research goes. A large portion, if not the majority of their reports, are from the notoriously anti-Israeli AFP, AP, and REUTERS.

Quote[/b] ]Captain Kirk

Childish...It wasn't even funny.

No it wasn't. You catch on pretty quickly there, big guy!

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Quote[/b] ]You don't want those statistics to be true, do you?

Your post is inane and did not dispell anything I said. I said that your country swallowed that lie from Iranians hook, like, and sinker because your government has already given about 70 BRDMs to the terrorist Palestinian Authority. By the way, you don't even understand the "hook, line, and sinker" thing, do you?

Why exactly would the Jerusalem Post make these figures up? They're not exactly the brightest as far as original research goes. A large portion, if not the majority of their reports, are from the notoriously anti-Israeli AFP, AP, and REUTERS.

Well, I didn't understand your phrase, but logical chain was the same thing I thought, so it don't matter. However, english is not my native speaking language, so may you forgive me this small inconvience?  

70 BRDMs? Perhaps It was in soviet times. Аgain...Welcome to 21st century. There's no USSR on map, but Russia. Political course has changed, country has changed. Can you accept this? Btw, USA in fact created Taliban  and raised Bin Laden as their leader , sponsoring them during Soviet Afghani war. What was next? 11th september. So don't talk about "good guys" in such maner.

Quote[/b] ]No it wasn't. You catch on pretty quickly there, big guy!

There's no need in sarcasm and useless jokes while talking on such themes.  

It's about 4.00 AM in Russia and noone cancelled my work. Hope you'll find a kind of consensus in the end. Good night.  

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I wonder what will happen if the IDF invade Lebanon again... I mean, the most logical thing to happen is for Hezbollah to retreat to some other arab country's safe borders and start launching rockets from there... hmmm... Syria... Ok, then I bet Israel invades Syria... then what?

I wonder, but Osama Bin Laden is a Sunni, right? So Al-Qaeda draws it's manpower from the sunni muslim side... as for Hezbollah, hmmm... for them to be backed by Iran means they ought to be Shiites...

Damn, I pity Iraq, but I think it'll have its vengeance against the coalition forces... I mean, looking back at history...

Ever since Gulf War One ended that Iraq was a sandbox for the US to test out some nice fancy weaponry under "live combat" conditions, no matter what casualties were caused... After Gulf War 2 they lost the "sandbox testing ground" and I bet it's being used as a "training facility" for terrorists on both side of the muslims... the Shiites vs the Sunnis could well be training in Iraq on how to become terrorists, using either the direct opposition or the occupying forces as target practice (I know this is a cold point of view but one can't deny this to be a possibility) and then whoever survives an attack (they aren't all suicidal, right?) is then deployed to the "front" - Al-Qaeda operating in cell system all over the place and Hezbollah facing one of their favorite "infidel" enemy - Israel.

All this to say, hmm, if Israel wants to stop Hezbollah, maybe they could do something about Iraq to make it more secure? I mean, there still must be innocent civilians in Iraq who just want a normal life, something which seems to be prevented by terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah is doing even worse to the Lebanese people...

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Putting boots on the ground was the first smart move so far. No worth mentioning that this could decrease the risk of civillian casualties! But considering that Iran is actually pulling the triggers here I wonder what is gonna come next.

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230 civs killed is ~230 terrorists against Israel in the coming years. Congratulation on breeding your future ennemies. Far from smart.

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But considering that Iran is actually pulling the triggers here I wonder what is gonna come next.

Pulling the triggers??  Where are you getting this news from?

Iran may be suspected of paying for the triggers just as financial support for the IRA could be traced back to the Irish Republic and America, but this is the first time I've seen anyone suggest Iran is actually pulling triggers.

230 civs killed is ~230 terrorists against Israel in the coming years. Congratulation on breeding your future ennemies. Far from smart.

Israel first invaded Lebanon in 1978 in response to attacks by the PLO. That lasted only 3 months.

Israel invaded Lebanon again in 1982 to destroy/expel the PLO.  This time they stayed for 18 years during which 17,000 Lebanese civilians lost their lives.  A number of militant groups formed to resist the Israeli occupation and many of these merged around 1985 to form Hizbollah.

Isn't it ironic that Israel's second occupation even continued for around 7 year after the Oslo agreements had allowed the expelled PLO, Israel's original target, to set up government in the West Bank and Gaza?  In other words,  most of Israel's last occupation was spent fighting an enemy that was actually created by that very same occupation.

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Imho something is really wrong down there atm.

Come on, bombing the Infrastructure of a whole country cause of 2 Soldiers...

But since it is the poor Israelis once again I guess it's ok... If it was anyone else the UN and EU would go: "Wohooooo, resolutions, sanctions...we can't let this happen..."

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Well, I didn't understand your phrase, but logical chain was the same thing I thought, so it don't matter. However, english is not my native speaking language, so may you forgive me this small inconvience?  

70 BRDMs? Perhaps It was in soviet times. Аgain...Welcome to 21st century. There's no USSR on map, but Russia. Political course has changed, country has changed. Can you accept this? Btw, USA in fact created Taliban  and raised Bin Laden as their leader , sponsoring them during Soviet Afghani war. What was next? 11th september. So don't talk about "good guys" in such maner.

About Palestinian BRMD's: RUSSIA MISSILES ITS WAY BACK INTO MIDDLE EAST

Quote[/b] ]Russia and Palestine;

During the Moscow visit of President Abbas’s in late January, as a "tangible show of support for Abbas and the Palestine Authority from Moscowâ€, Russia had offered to donate to the Authority two Mi-17 transport helicopters for VIP use to replace the choppers Israel destroyed in 2001. According to the London-based Jane's Defence Weekly, the Russians also offered to supply the Palestinians with 50 former BRDM-2 armored vehicles drawn down from the Russian Army.

The two Mi-17s would be used to transport Abbas and other Palestinian VIPs between the Gaza Strip and West Bank, as well as to Jordan. The PA had requested for Russian pilots and maintenance crew to support the aircraft, the weekly said.

The BRDM-2s would be deployed with Palestinian security forces, mainly in the Gaza Strip but also in the West Bank. The Russians had donated to the Palestinian security forces 45 BRDM-2s, but the IDF destroyed nearly all of them after the outbreak of Intifada in 2000.

And about the entire Russia (it has changed) being the good guy now:

Russia accused of war crimes

Russian war crimes in Chechnya

Dutch activist isnt allowed in Russia (translation from a reliable dutch source.

And of course there is the trial of Mikhail Khodorkovsky which has a smell of political prosecution on it.

Of course since the fall of the USSR, Russia has changed a lot, most of it in a positive way. But I just had to respond to the entire "Russia being the good guy now".

Anyway, I know this isn't exactly Middle-East, but I just had to answer.

PS. I have nothing against Russia, luv your vodka

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Hey there. Just to remind people that we had a quiet border with Lebanon for 6 years, since Hizzballa abducted 3 soldiers in 2000.

Than out of the blue, and before those Lebanese were killed, Hizzballa abductes 2 soldiers and starts a rocket attack on northern Israel. The point is that no matter what we do, there will always be somone wanting to destroy us. If it's not those 235 than it's someone else. That said, the decisive majority of the Israeli public is against TARGETING civilians and no one will justify such actions. (excluding some Israeli-Arabs who support Hamas and extreme right wingers)

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IAF smashed 4 trucks with food and medicine, saying Hizbollah were smugling weapons and ammo in them...though journalists from AFP that arrived at the scene found nothing but the food and medicine the trucks were supposed to transport.

Good going Israeli intel

So, bombing Hizbollah targets and killing 87% civilians and destroy Lebanese infrastructure first, second; stop food and medicine supply

Honestly, the Israeli intel seems to make a lot of mistakes...

[Bernadotte 0]

...Hizzballa abducted 3 soldiers in 2000.

Weren't those 3 soldiers in Lebanon at the time?

The point is that no matter what we do, there will always be somone wanting to destroy us.

Why?  

...the decisive majority of the Israeli public is against TARGETING  civilians and no one will justify such actions.

Who cares?  ...Certainly not the thousands of innocent civilians that Israel has managed to kill over the years.  Please name one other nation that has succeeded at unintentionally killing as many people as Israel.

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Captain Kirk.

As you failed to provide even a decent answer, then the UN it is then. So Israel is occupying that area of Syria illegally.

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i guess the UK should invade Gaza, Iran and Syria and then take control of everything.. and then let there be peace..  

or we create the end of days and nuke the 3 countrys so they cant retailiate..  

god i love these smilies soo their so full of it  

edit: the United States mustnt of cared when they A-bombed 2 big cities which had nothing but civilians in... and what did they recive in return.. nothing, no punishment or anything.. and they knew how big the bomb was ad how many people they were about to kill in one explsion nevermind the aftermath.

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Captain Kirk.

As you failed to provide even a decent answer, then the UN it is then. So Israel is occupying that area of Syria illegally.

No.

Garcia, you know that the Syrian government have been smuggling trucks full of rockets and equipment during the past week(s), right? The IDF has dealt with these. The IDF has also said that anyone driving a truck should not cover up the contents to avoid being targetted.

[Bordoy 0]

i guess the UK should invade Gaza, Iran and Syria and then take control of everything.. and then let there be peace..  

Yer, we should bring back the British Empire

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Weren't those 3 soldiers in Lebanon at the time?

Nop. Hizballah entered Israel and kidnhapped them [guess what, if it were the LEbanon army we could declare war on them]

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I think Israel should leave the illegally occupied Syrian Golan Heights aswell

really ?

I think UK & USA should leave Iraq & Afghanistan.

but wait . .that's not ok . they are fighting terrorist, man that a good cause ! If they kill civillians in the way who care ?!!?

right ?

if we do it it's "massacre" and "slaughter".

btw, saying that we terrorize phalastinians & stuff.

Wait ! who saw the video of the British soldiers {scary - mybe there were your friends ? } in Iraq, catching some Iraqi teenager who were "mearly throwing stones" took them into an yard and beat the shit out of them ? of course it ok it was the UK

but if we arrest teenage terrorist it iis "kidnhapping".

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Quote[/b] ]I think UK & USA should leave Iraq & Afghanistan.

but wait . .that's not ok . they are fighting terrorist, man that a good cause ! If they kill civillians in the way who care ?!!?

right ?

if we do it it's "massacre" and "slaughter".

Come on

[mp_phonix 0]

What ?! it's true !

[Garcia 0]

btw, saying that we terrorize phalastinians & stuff.

Wait ! who saw the video of the British soldiers {scary - mybe there were your friends ?   }  in Iraq, catching some Iraqi teenager who were "mearly throwing stones" took them into an yard and beat the shit out of them ? of course it ok it was the UK

but if we arrest teenage terrorist it iis "kidnhapping".

Honestly, you're so full of crap...you accuse others of imagining stuff, but in reality it's YOU who imagines so much BS and accuse others (scary and messy, among others) for lots of plain and utter bullshit.

Now, if you could just quote ONE person in this thread, who is against Israels actions, that have said that the UK soldiers were ok, then good. Until then, can't you at least come with something that is even close to the truth? Why in gods name do you think people here means it was ok for the UK soldiers to beat those kids? Let me guess, you got no reason to think so, you're just saying it because you got only that kinds of lies and crap left. So, I say again, if you could just quote one person in who has, in this thread, said that UK soldiers beating Iraqi teenagers is ok, then go ahead...

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I think UK & USA should leave Iraq & Afghanistan.

wow we agree

Quote[/b] ]but wait . .that's not ok . they are fighting terrorist, man that a good cause ! If they kill civillians in the way who care ?!!?

right ?

if we do it it's "massacre" and "slaughter".

Wikipedia: Opposition to the Iraq War

or just search google for "iraq war protests"

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i guess the UK should invade Gaza, Iran and Syria and then take control of everything.. and then let there be peace..  

No, dude, Israel should have merely invaded Gaza and the West Bank AND taken control of everything just like every other conquering power did throughout history.  And then there really would have been peace just like there eventually was all those other times.

You see, Israel decared it's nation on around half of what had been Palestine, but soon after had conquered an additional 28%.  Haven't you ever asked yourself why that additional 28% never gave them any trouble compared with the remaining 22% (West Bank and Gaza) that they occupied, but chose not to conquer.

The answer is simple.  The Arab communities that remained in that conquered 28% were allowed to become Israeli citizens.  You don't see Hezbollah fighting for Israeli Arabs, do you?  You don't even see Israeli Arabs fighting for the liberation of their former homeland of Palestine. Most are relatively satisfied with their livelihood, standard of living and Israeli passports.

There's only one reason that Israel hasn't completely conquered the West Bank and Gaza.  It's because the additional non-Jewish population would result in Israel having a non-Jewish majority, which would mean no more democratic Jewish state.  This is the only reason the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza have had to endure a stateless limbo for so long.  And this is why I've always been against a 2-state solution, in favour of a single state solution.

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Blair won't ask Israel to halt fire

Quote[/b] ]British Prime Minister Tony Blair rejected calls Wednesday for Israel to declare a unilateral cease-fire in the burgeoning Mideast conflict, insisting that Hizbullah must first free Israeli soldiers and stop firing rockets at the Jewish state.

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Quote[/b] ]Weren't those 3 soldiers in Lebanon at the time?

Nop. Hizballah entered Israel and kidnhapped them...

Actually, those Israeli soldiers were in the disputed Shebaa Farms area, which the Lebanese still consider to be part of Lebanon.