Getting shot effect?

[lukemax 0]

Hi all

me and some of my frenids are makeing a movie and are wondering how to make a blood affect of someone getting shot

Any tips/ know a web-site that can tell you all kind of tips and tricks

THX

Luke

[Milkman 1]

More blood comes out of the exit wound than the entry in most cases. Entry is usually a small hole, if there is an exit it is much larger in most cases, mainly with rifle rounds that are designed to deform on impact to cause maximum damage.

[Colossus 2]

Maybe ask them

Worth a try

Stunts Canada (Don't ask canadians!! )

Most links I found didn't look serious.

EDIT: I'll ask one of my teachers, he has education in special-effects.

[Gadger 0]

Most gun shot wounds, to the torso and upper part of the body produce little in the way of external bloodloss. However wounds to the legs can produce horrific blood loss. Wounds to the arota artery or illiac and common cemoral copliteal bone structures will result in death from bloodloss/clots in a matter of minutes.

It's pretty much the same for the arms, although it is far easier to prevent the blood loss and the blood from clotting. A gunshot to the radial or ulnar artery can be just as fatal as a wounded arota.

Gun shot wounds to the torso vary much on where the bullet impacts, whether it fragments bones, hits organs or passes straight through.

A gunshot wound to the lungs/kidneys or live will produce very little external bleeding (providing the bullet does not pass through the body), when compared to an artery wound, however internal bleeding will be huge, blood will eventually leak through the orifices, most commonly the mouth, noes and eyes.

[crashdome 3]

As I was reading this, I had visions of those high-school documentaries from the fifties! Ya know.. the ones with Jim and Jane...

Needless to say, Jim and Jane didn't look too well in my vision.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

IIRC gunshot wounds in movies are usually simulated using things called 'squibs' which are small bags of fake blood fitted into a case with a hole in the side that you want the blood to spurt out from. These carry a small explosive charges behind the bag and are wired up onto the actor underneath their clothing.

I've heard they can injure you a bit if you don't fit them properly so it's probably becoming more common to add such things using CGI in the interests of safety to actors and the ability to make them more realistic.

[stevevcb 3]

A lot of Japanese films nowadays use CGI blood. If you can get it right, it looks good. In my experience, a bit of clever editing and a squeeze bottle of pig's blood works wonders

[mr burns 132]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

[DarkLight 0]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

frrreeaaaak

[DarkLight 0]

Hi all

me and some of my frenids are makeing a movie and are wondering how to make a blood affect of someone getting shot  

Any tips/ know a web-site that can tell you all kind of tips and tricks

THX

Luke

Get a real gun, you sissy!

j/k of course

[Placebo 29]

DarkLight please refrain from spamming, and if you feel the need to reply to two posts in a row edit your first post please

[IceFire 0]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

frrreeaaaak

Actually this is not all that gratuitous or "loony". Most of that is actually useful information when it comes to hunting. You need to know what kind of ammunition to use, the vital organs, where to aim, how the animal will react. Etc. If you shoot an animal in a vital spot and it doesn't die immediately it might run off a bit and you will have to track it before it dies.

All this knowledge comes in handy when hunting.

[brgnorway 0]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

frrreeaaaak

Actually this is not all that gratuitous or "loony".  Most of that is actually useful information when it comes to hunting.  You need to know what kind of ammunition to use, the vital organs, where to aim, how the animal will react.  Etc.  If you shoot an animal in a vital spot and it doesn't die immediately it might run off a bit and you will have to track it before it dies.  

All this knowledge comes in handy when hunting.

Information like that comes in handy when we're talking about hunting - and hunting only!

Killing a human being and an animal are completely different due to the neural system of animal are far more robust than human beings. The most noticable effect of this can be seen for example with a moose running a hundred meters at full speed after a direct hit to it's heart. You will definately not see that with a human being!

[HuNtA 0]

kk, since I know about special effects :P Ill give U a hand

Fake blood: golden syrup, red and blue food colourings, water

Fake glass (just cool): water, golden syrup and sugar, heat up in a pan, put onto a sheet of glass/around a bottle

[IceFire 0]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

frrreeaaaak

Actually this is not all that gratuitous or "loony". Most of that is actually useful information when it comes to hunting. You need to know what kind of ammunition to use, the vital organs, where to aim, how the animal will react. Etc. If you shoot an animal in a vital spot and it doesn't die immediately it might run off a bit and you will have to track it before it dies.

All this knowledge comes in handy when hunting.

Information like that comes in handy when we're talking about hunting - and hunting only!

Killing a human being and an animal are completely different due to the neural system of animal are far more robust than human beings. The most noticable effect of this can be seen for example with a moose running a hundred meters at full speed after a direct hit to it's heart. You will definately not see that with a human being!

Yes, and if you notice Mr.Burns was talking about a hunting website, about hunting ANIMALS.

Reread the past few posts man, I think you are confused.

[Gadger 0]

you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

frrreeaaaak

Actually this is not all that gratuitous or "loony".  Most of that is actually useful information when it comes to hunting.  You need to know what kind of ammunition to use, the vital organs, where to aim, how the animal will react.  Etc.  If you shoot an animal in a vital spot and it doesn't die immediately it might run off a bit and you will have to track it before it dies.  

All this knowledge comes in handy when hunting.

Information like that comes in handy when we're talking about hunting - and hunting only!

Killing a human being and an animal are completely different due to the neural system of animal are far more robust than human beings. The most noticable effect of this can be seen for example with a moose running a hundred meters at full speed after a direct hit to it's heart. You will definately not see that with a human being!

Yes, and if you notice Mr.Burns was talking about a hunting website, about hunting ANIMALS.    

Reread the past few posts man, I think you are confused.

Animals are organic, have blood and organs, generally when you shoot them the effect is similar to that of a human being shot.

[IceFire 0]

Yes but humans and animals are not physiologically the same.

Plus I am making the distinction between his idea of shooting humans and the practice of studying game behavior for hunting.

The way a wild boar reacts to a hunter is very different from a deer.

Do you honestly think that deer, pig, humans, and bears all react the same way?

[Major Fubar 0]

Having been involved in the odd amateur movie or two (with absolutely NO budget whatsoever) we found an effective technique is not to actually show the gunshot, just to have the firing sounds and a cutaway scene of a blood splatter on a wall, table, mirror, gunman's face etc. as if you were witnessing the shot just off screen.

Mightn't be as realistic looking, but it can be quite an effective alternative if you can't get your hands on squibs or CGI effects.

For the bloodsplat itself, red food dye, sauce etc. can be good, just mess around with the consistencies and such until you get something that resembles real blood. Then you splatter it at a wall with a syringe, turkey baster or pop a "water balloon" full of the stuff.

It sounds pretty cheap and nasty, but with some snappy post-editing you can make it look very realistic.

Just a few ideas.  

[mr burns 132]

Yes but humans and animals are not physiologically the same.  

Plus I am making the distinction between his idea of shooting humans and the practice of studying game behavior for hunting.

The way a wild boar reacts to a hunter is very different from a deer.

Do you honestly think that deer, pig, humans, and bears all react the same way?

do you seriously think i have a problem  

i read almost everything if it get´s my attention..

other people read tons of magazines about hairstyles, they have the bigger problem imho (not to offend anyone )

[IceFire 0]

Yes but humans and animals are not physiologically the same.

Plus I am making the distinction between his idea of shooting humans and the practice of studying game behavior for hunting.

The way a wild boar reacts to a hunter is very different from a deer.

Do you honestly think that deer, pig, humans, and bears all react the same way?

do you seriously think i have a problem

i read almost everything if it get´s my attention..

other people read tons of magazines about hairstyles, they have the bigger problem imho (not to offend anyone )

What is this post supposed to mean? Can you please explain it because I don't get what you are trying to say.

It makes no sense.

[Major Fubar 0]

I'm thinking there's some kind of language barrier/miscommunation going on between you guys, let's just all calm down...

[brgnorway 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hi all

me and some of my frenids are makeing a movie and are wondering how to make a blood affect of someone getting shot

Any tips/ know a web-site that can tell you all kind of tips and tricks

THX

Luke

The above quotation was the topic starter..........

........and below is Mr. Burns reply:

Quote[/b] ]you may find some interesting stuff on hunting homepages.

i once found a pretty detailed site about how deer dies..may it be from shock, bloodloss, suffocation (lung shot) or sepsis.

the guy (imho crazy) also wrote alot about different ammo types and their effects on various animals

Now:

Quote[/b] ]Yes, and if you notice Mr.Burns was talking about a hunting website, about hunting ANIMALS.

Reread the past few posts man, I think you are confused.

I suggest you start reading yourself you confused man!

[brgnorway 0]

Quote[/b] ]Animals are organic, have blood and organs, generally when you shoot them the effect is similar to that of a human being shot.

Yes and no! The main physical difference between human beings and most animals are solidity of bone structure, larger and stronger muscles and a much stronger neural system for coping with shock. Where a human being would simply drop dead to the ground like a bird being hit by hails from a shotgun - an animal can keep on running for a while even though it's been hit in a critical area like the heart and lungs. Animals endure far more pain then us humans. There are of course great variations among the different species of animals and if we talk about dogs for example you would find variations between different breeds as well. Terriers for example, are known to endure far more pain compared to other dogs - which is a thing an owner ought to be aware of.

Having said that - there are animals that resembles us humans in both bone structure and muscle tissues. That's why pigs are often used for training military surgeons.

[Ares1978 0]

Yes and no! The main physical difference between human beings and most animals are solidity of bone structure, larger and stronger muscles and a much stronger neural system for coping with shock. Where a human being would simply drop dead to the ground like a bird being hit by hails from a shotgun - an animal can keep on running for a while even though it's been hit in a critical area like the heart and lungs.

True. Then again, people who have been fatally wounded, have been known to function longer than they should be able to, due to the "adrenaline rush". To some extent, the reaction is individual.

An elk (moose to you Americans) with a heart shot often do a 40 meter  (depending on the caliber and the bullet design) dash before collapsing. Roughly the equivalent of a human running a few steps after the hit. On the other hand, an animal with the same weight as a human will usually not make any dash after a heart shot. As the blood pressure drops, the animal collapses, and a human is quicker to collapse because, among other things, the height difference between the heart and the brain.

[shinRaiden 0]

There's also the mass-inertia aspect of 'dressed' weight vs. live weight. I don't know the numbers for large game, but small fowl and varmits I think is about 1:1. I don't know all the reflexology science stuff, but when you take a chicken's head off I know you had better have a solid grip on both legs. Turkeys in my experience need two people to hold them down in butchering, and you still get some nasty bruises from getting winged by the reflex.

Conversely, when we dropped a couple pigs, they had a little leg twitching, but nothing as frantic as as that of the chickens, despite the hog's much larger size and muscles. It could be a difference in neurological effect from cranial penetration vs. upper spinal severing in decapitation.

I hate fishing because I hate being cold and wet, but in my experience regardless of the size of the fish a hard cranial impact results in a couple hard twitches at the most, similar to the description of the hogs above.

In some cases of physical or neurological trauma you can get localized or systemic organ paralysis, but that's too esoteric of medicine for me. Some twitch, some don't. But if you don't cut the feed a day or two before butchering you will sooner or later have a nasty mess to clean up.

There's also the impact transitive physics. In GW1 or Somalia, a soldier got hit with a dud RPG in the chest. It blew him through a wall and broke a bunch of bones just from the impact. His trauma plate was what kept his abdomen from serious internal injury.