USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[Hans Ludwig 0]

These are some impressive political ads by the RP camp.

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[Mr. Charles 22]

These are some impressive political ads by the RP camp.

No wonder the world is going down the drain :confused_o:

[Tonci87 163]

I wonder how much did this add cost?

[Mr. Charles 22]

I wonder how much did this add cost?

Not much but it just looks like a hollywood blockbuster. Imho this doesn't really have much to do with real politics.

[walker 0]

These are some impressive political ads by the RP camp.

Your US tax dollars at work!

Bankers bailout money buying the US Republican party with US tax payers money expensive advert by expensive advert.

Amazing how commie the GOP has become always thought Palin and the tea party were socialists in reality.

Walker

[st_dux 26]

Your US tax dollars at work!

Bankers bailout money buying the US Republican party with US tax payers money expensive advert by expensive advert.

FPDR

US tax dollars are not used to fund political ads. The ads are funded by private donation. In addition, Ron Paul is one of the harshest and most vocal critics of the bank bailouts. Unlike most Democrats, he voted against all of them.

[walker 0]

FPDR

US tax dollars are not used to fund political ads. The ads are funded by private donation. In addition, Ron Paul is one of the harshest and most vocal critics of the bank bailouts. Unlike most Democrats, he voted against all of them.

Yeh dontions from his Wall Street' Welfare Queen buddies? Ron Paul must have sold out to the Bankers bailout money same as all the other tax scrounging Republican candidates.

Where else could he have got the money? US voters are stuck in the Bush depression yet Republicans have millions to spend on morning to morning to night TV ads on every network.

With US voters practicing austerity the Republican party is spending money like it is going out of fashion. Where is the Republican party getting this money?

Suspicious, walker

Edited October 22, 2011 by walker

[nettrucker 142]

Yeh dontions from his Wall Street' Welfare Queens buddies? Ron Paul must have sold out to the Bankers bailout money same as all the other tax scrounging Republican candidates.

Where else could he have got the money? US voters are stuck in the Bush depression yet Republicans have millions to spend on morning to morning to night TV ads on every network.

With US voters practicing austerity the Republican party is spending money like it is going out of fashion. Where is the Republican party getting this money?

Suspicious, walker

He gets donation from the people who believe in him. He gathered more money in one day than any other candidate. It is not the republicans a lot of people are donating directly to Ron Paul. the mainstream media whores and prestitutes are doing everything to ignore him. But they are just pathetic. You should inform yourself more about Ron Paul before stating such things. Personally I think that he is the last chance for the USA for a change otherwise the bus is going over the cliff.

[walker 0]

He gets donation from the people who believe in him. He gathered more money in one day than any other candidate. It is not the republicans a lot of people are donating directly to Ron Paul. the mainstream media whores and prestitutes are doing everything to ignore him. But they are just pathetic. You should inform yourself more about Ron Paul before stating such things. Personally I think that he is the last chance for the USA for a change otherwise the bus is going over the cliff.

Ron Paul is just another Republican in a party bought and paid for by the Welfare Queens of Wall Street and their bailout money that they defrauded from the US Tax payers. The only people with money to waste on ego boosting TV adds are those who grabbed the bailout dollars. If Ron Paul is different he would start his own party and wean himself off the Republican Party's bailout back-handers, but he won't will he?

US Tax payers are in the depths of the Bush depression paying off billions of dollars that were wasted on Bush's Iraq war. Where else do these hundreds of millions of dollars for these endless expensive Hollywood style Republican adverts come from?

Walker

Edited October 22, 2011 by walker

[nettrucker 142]

Do some more research on him.

[Tonci87 163]

Guys do you know how much only a minute of advertising costs? The Republicans and the democrats are literally burning money! Where does it come from? It can´t be just from private persons. There are big companys and Banks behind each party!

[st_dux 26]

If Ron Paul is different he would start his own party and wean himself off the Republican Party's bailout back-handers, but he won't will he?

Ron Paul used to be a member of the Libertarian party, but since third parties are a joke in the United States he moved over to the GOP so he'd have a chance of being elected. Your sweeping generalizations of both major parties and insistence on viewing American politics as a perfect dichotomy between the benevolent Democrats on the one hand and the evil Wall Street-backed Republicans on the other clearly demonstrates just how little you understand about the topic.

With US voters practicing austerity the Republican party is spending money like it is going out of fashion. Where is the Republican party getting this money?

First of all, US voters are not practicing austerity. We're still taking on debt and spending money like it's going out of style, just like the Fed wants us to. The real depression hasn't even started yet. Second, the only reason Republican ads (and not Democrat ads) are getting more ubiquitous is that the Republican nomination is fast approaching; the Democrats already know who their candidate is going to be, so they have nothing to advertise right now. Finally, the money for campaign ads never comes out of the public treasury. It's from private donations from various groups of people such as businesses, unions and independent individuals.

Guys do you know how much only a minute of advertising costs? The Republicans and the democrats are literally burning money! Where does it come from? It can´t be just from private persons. There are big companys and Banks behind each party!

What do you think big companies and corporations are? They're collections of people.

[froggyluv 2136]

GOP presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul says he was disgusted by the atmosphere of Tuesday’s GOP debate and felt like simply walking off stage at one point.

Speaking at a manufacturing plant in Newton, Iowa, Paul told the Des Moines Register, “I can tell you that after the first 45 minutes I was tempted to walk off that stage. I thought it was disgusting.â€

Tuesday’s GOP debate in Las Vegas, hosted by CNN, was the most contentious yet between the Republican candidates, with sharp attacks and frequent bickering. Paul decried the spectacle and theatrics that have consumed modern presidential campaigns.

“These TV shows where they beat up on each other, I think that’s what the people like,†he said. “They enjoy this. They think it’s a game they’re playing.â€

Yahoo News

Have to say -if he had walked off the stage - I'd have to seriously consider voting for him. Don't agree with everything this guys about -but at least he realizes gravity of situation over petty drama.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Do some more research on him.

Ron Paul isn't any better than any of the other candidates. Why you're campaigning so hard for him I just don't understand. :confused:

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Ron Paul is just another Republican in a party bought and paid for by the Welfare Queens of Wall Street and their bailout money that they defrauded from the US Tax payers. The only people with money to waste on ego boosting TV adds are those who grabbed the bailout dollars. If Ron Paul is different he would start his own party and wean himself off the Republican Party's bailout back-handers, but he won't will he?

Contributions to Paul, Ron Through 09/30/2011

http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do

Looks like average people that are donating to me.

US Tax payers are in the depths of the Bush depression paying off billions of dollars that were wasted on Bush's Iraq war. Where else do these hundreds of millions of dollars for these endless expensive Hollywood style Republican adverts come from?

What about all the programs and government agencies that were started by FDR and the Democrats?

Ron Paul isn't any better than any of the other candidates. Why you're campaigning so hard for him I just don't understand. :confused:

He doesn't claim to be better than anyone. He just doesn't flip flop on issues or clueless about economics like the rest of the candidates. Except for Garry Johnson.

Edited October 22, 2011 by Hans Ludwig

[nettrucker 142]

Ron Paul isn't any better than any of the other candidates. Why you're campaigning so hard for him I just don't understand. :confused:

If you can't see the difference between him and all the others, than I can't help you. Let's say it like this, he is the "lesser evil" IMO.

He would end the perpetual wars at least that's what he's saying . . . which would be a relief for the whole world don't you think? And to me he seems the only one who have a clue what to do to not worsen the situation. If anyone other than Ron Paul gets elected the USA will be doomed.

Edited October 23, 2011 by nettrucker

[froggyluv 2136]

One thing that I find ludicrous about the Libertarian position is their desire to end part of the Civil Rights Bill -the part that makes it illegal for private business to discriminate based off of Race or anything a bigot wants basically.

They're point is that the Free Market will (probably) punish a business that practices discrimination but I find that utter rubbish.

Could you imagine if the President of The United States went to a diner and they told him "We don't serve Negroes..." Besides the obvious outrage that would make it legal -I seriously doubt in todays toxic climate that the proprietor would suffer at all -it would become a Mecca to the Right rather.

Or how about a Boy Scout troops showing up for a restaraunt and the minority children being told they could not eat there -legally?!?

Thats outrageous and any claim that Free Market trumps these common decency laws - ridiculous.

Many, many businesses not only survived, but thrived all the while practicing segregation what makes anyone think it would be different now.

[tacticalnuggets 24]

One thing that I find ludicrous about the Libertarian position is their desire to end part of the Civil Rights Bill -the part that makes it illegal for private business to discriminate based off of Race or anything a bigot wants basically.

They're point is that the Free Market will (probably) punish a business that practices discrimination but I find that utter rubbish.

Could you imagine if the President of The United States went to a diner and they told him "We don't serve Negroes..." Besides the obvious outrage that would make it legal -I seriously doubt in todays toxic climate that the proprietor would suffer at all -it would become a Mecca to the Right rather.

Or how about a Boy Scout troops showing up for a restaraunt and the minority children being told they could not eat there -legally?!?

Thats outrageous and any claim that Free Market trumps these common decency laws - ridiculous.

Many, many businesses not only survived, but thrived all the while practicing segregation what makes anyone think it would be different now.

I would like you to name the businesses that thrived. I doubt you can seeing your just spouting nonsense.

Hmm, I wonder why the civil rights movement was such a success? Was it because society wanted to change? I think so.

[froggyluv 2136]

How about every successful industry before civil rights laws were enacted?

Thats right, laws not ideals or social pressure. The laws were enacted because of social pressure, but to be naive enough to think all corporations who refused to hire or elevate minorities beyond a certain level; that all country clubs who refused to allow entry to minorities; that all eating establishments that refused to serve based on color of skin; colleges and institues of higher learning doing the same -were on there way out without laws....

So you yourself back this eh

:j:

[st_dux 26]

One thing that I find ludicrous about the Libertarian position is their desire to end part of the Civil Rights Bill -the part that makes it illegal for private business to discriminate based off of Race or anything a bigot wants basically.

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Many, many businesses not only survived, but thrived all the while practicing segregation what makes anyone think it would be different now.

You find it ludicrous, yet you do not explain why. Libertarians believe in the ownership of private property. From this it follows logically that a proprietor of any piece of property be allowed to choose with whom that property is shared and at what price, if any. There is nothing ludicrous about this; it is perfectly coherent and consistent. The "argument" that you're making is the typical sort of demagogy that gets thrown at libertarians routinely. In contrast to the libertarian position, it is decidedly arbitrary and logically inconsistent: You support property rights sometimes, but in certain circumstances that make you (or perhaps 51% of a given population, if you'd like to take the democratic route of rationalization) feel particularly uncomfortable, you would rather have the state revoke these rights by force.

I tend to think that, regulations aside, it would be more difficult to establish a systematically racist business today than it would have been 60-some years ago. The general improvement in education and economic conditions (our current impending crisis notwithstanding) over the years has generally led to a reduction in the popularity of blatant racism, but I have no doubt that there are still places in this country where such a business might find success. And so what? The answer is not to have the government go in with guns and shut these place down, stealing someone's property in the process. The answer is to expose such places and the people that run them, to educate people about racism and let the marketplace of ideas take over.

Racism cannot be legislated away. It is an idea and therefore it cannot be fought with physical weapons. The bigoted saloon owner who openly discriminates and has his property confiscated by the government as a result is not thereby made not racist. If anything, his irrational hatred will be strengthened by such actions, and indeed, it is quite possible that those whose personal sympathies lie with him -- his family and friends, namely -- will get a taste for such hatred as well, and thus the disease spreads. On the other hand, the racist saloon owner who goes out of business because no one wants to support his discriminatory practices has no one to blame but himself; when he shuts down, his anger is not enhanced, and there is a chance that his failure may highlight the irrationality of his ways for him.

Edited October 23, 2011 by ST_Dux

[tacticalnuggets 24]

How about every successful industry before civil rights laws were enacted?

Thats right, laws not ideals or social pressure. The laws were enacted because of social pressure, but to be naive enough to think all corporations who refused to hire or elevate minorities beyond a certain level; that all country clubs who refused to allow entry to minorities; that all eating establishments that refused to serve based on color of skin; colleges and institues of higher learning doing the same -were on there way out without laws....

So you yourself back this eh

:j:

Assuming that every successful industry before civil rights laws were enacted was racist is hilarious.

I think the reason why your stuck in this argument is because your fighting an idea. Your trying to ignorantly pin industry with this insanely exaggerated stance. Something for which you have no concrete knowledge of.

Free market theory is much like natural selection. If a racist mcdonalds set up a restaurant in a black community they would mathematically never make it.

On the side of 1/100 percent, I would think a restaurant could get away with it in the short term. But it only takes a non racist competitor to eventually annihilate that issue.

Next, observe that your theory is only valid if the majority of white people were racist. Obviously, due to the success of the civil rights movement in a majoritarian system, the majority was not truly racist.

[froggyluv 2136]

The point is gentlemen, slavery ended by use of gun, black college kids were admitted down South by gun and so on. Your idealism in that the Market can correct these issues is inherently ludicrous. And thats exactly what striking down those laws that were enacted by primarily Liberal -not Conservatives, not libertarians, would allow again. Show me the Libertarians that were fighting to enact protective laws, boycott businesses down South pre 1960's, and championing the rights of Liberty for ALL, and I'll think about it some more.

As it stands, ones got to ask himself -why champion this and now? I would doubt very much you'd find 10 black people who would support this -and who's going to have a better undertsanding of the repercusions -those that lived it or Ron Paul and you two?

As far as the corporate world, the glass ceiling that once existed and still does to an extent would be made legal -a company could flat out say "Oh yes, we hire blacks -all the way up to middle management and below but none higher" -without these laws. Your party wants to champion that -well they can crash and burn for all I care.

Next, observe that your theory is only valid if the majority of white people were racist. Obviously, due to the success of the civil rights movement in a majoritarian system, the majority was not truly racist.

Well I can speak from first hand experience here -there are many level of 'Racist' from the foaming at the mouth, I want all ********'s dead, to the "He's a good worker but not the right type to be up top" or "they just need to stay in their own area and they'll be no problems" to the "He's my boy, but date my sister and your dead".

The 1st case is obvious and even some who feel that way are smart enough not to say it outright. The other cases far more common -are they the majority of America? Who could answer that as sentiments are hidden -but they're there none the less.

Edited October 23, 2011 by froggyluv

[GRS 10]

You're confusing the 1960's with 2011 again.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The increasing desperation of the Republican Party is apparent to all. That they are now pandering to the racist element of their party because they cannot get enough votes is obvious. The apologists for Ron Paul even spouting their "we are not racist but" platitudes on this forum.

The racists argument against the rule of law is an old one and goes right back to The Code of Hammurabi. Your false statement is disproved by the simple use of reductio ad absurdum.

If there is no need for laws dealing with racism then why is their need for any law?

By Ron Paul's logic it is no longer against the law to take all of the private property you own.

Ron Paul's logic is that of the gangster.

Case closed.

Kind Regards walker

Edited October 23, 2011 by walker

[st_dux 26]

By Ron Paul's logic it is no longer against the law to take all of the private property you own.

No, walker, "Ron Paul's logic" is against taking anyone's private property. That's the whole point: Private property should be protected at all times, even if the owner of said property happens to be racist. It is the people who want to take the property away from those who are racist that don't have a consistent opinion about private property. These are the people with the gangster mentality, not Ron Paul or any other libertarian.