USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[mosh 0]

It's a little sad how I seem to know more about American politics than my own countries politics. Maybe because America's news/media/politics seems to be better infotainment. I can name about twice as many American politicians than British ones.

What's sad is that a lot of you here know more about American politics than most Americans... maybe even including myself. I know just enough to vote for the lesser of two evils each election, and my vote always seems to be for the losing side...

I'm glad to see most of you also want what's best for us. Most of us Americans aren't as bad as our politicians make us look.

[Tonci87 163]

What's sad is that a lot of you here know more about American politics than most Americans... maybe even including myself. I know just enough to vote for the lesser of two evils each election, and my vote always seems to be for the losing side...

I'm glad to see most of you also want what's best for us. Most of us Americans aren't as bad as our politicians make us look.

I think thats the case with every country :D

[Baff1 0]

I know just enough to vote for the lesser of two evils each election, and my vote always seems to be for the losing side.

I have no intrest in participating in such a negative poltical system at all.

I want something to vote for, not against.

If my only viable option is a choice of two evils, then I am not onboard with the political system.

What difference tyranny?

Edited September 25, 2011 by Baff1

[nettrucker 142]

I wish we in Europe would have some alternatives too. Unfortunately there are no men with integrity who run politics here. The whole political system is a joke and corrupt.

[mosh 0]

I want something to vote for, not against.

I do too...

[GRS 10]

I have no intrest in participating in such a negative poltical system at all.

I want something to vote for, not against.

If my only viable option is a choice of two evils, then I am not onboard with the political system.

What difference tyranny?

Well said and much agreed.

[nettrucker 142]

Hi there

I digged up a link to an article considering the Bush amministration and their "neocon philosophy"

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/george-w-bush/ethics/427-required-reading-for-bush-supporters.html

It is an interesting read and I urge everyone to do some more research on the neocon political (philosophicaL) doctrine.

It helps to explain, in my opinion, a lot to what had happened since 2001 all around the world.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Ron Paul says Obama should be impeached for al Qaeda killing

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, who has consistently opposed U.S. military engagement overseas, said Tuesday that the Obama administration's killing of a U.S.-born radical cleric in Yemen was an impeachable offense and that "we have crossed that barrier from republic to dictatorship."

Speaking to an audience at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., the libertarian Texas congressman also expressed sympathy for the budding Wall Street protest movement.

He harshly criticized Obama for approving last week's predator drone strike that killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a prominent al Qaeda figure linked by U.S. intelligence agencies to two unsuccessful attacks on U.S.-bound airplanes. Samir Kahn, a second American killed in the attack, was the editor of the online al Qaeda magazine "Inspire." Paul suggested the government could begin killing American journalists with impunity.

Cont'd

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20116242-503544.html

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Samir Kahn was not an "american journalist". Ron Paul needs to open his damn eyes.

[nettrucker 142]

Samir Kahn was not an "american journalist". Ron Paul needs to open his damn eyes.

I also read that Samir Kahn was an American citizen in another article. In any case. Bad things are going on in the USA and I really hope that the American people will wake up and make the right choice in the next years election.

Maybe Ron Paul is seen by many Americans as not fit for being president, but for being honest, he's the only one who is interested in change, meanwhile all other candidates will pursue on the same course which will hurt the USA in every means

Just my 2 cents.

[Tonci87 163]

Don´t you see what hes talking? Since when Is blowing up an asshole that tried to blow up several planes with innocent men women and children on board a bad thing?

[st_dux 26]

Maybe Ron Paul is seen by many Americans as not fit for being president, but for being honest, he's the only one who is interested in change, meanwhile all other candidates will pursue on the same course which will hurt the USA in every means

Just my 2 cents.

To be fair, Ron Paul is not the only candidate interested in real change; he's just the most well-known in this category. Gary Johnson is another example of a GOP potential candidate who doesn't follow the status quo, but you've probably never heard of him.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Sadly S. Palin decided to give up. It's so entertaining when she speaks about foreign countries and international relationships... i'll miss her.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Sadly S. Palin decided to give up. It's so entertaining when she speaks about foreign countries and international relationships... i'll miss her.

What has she said that you don't like?

[ProfTournesol 956]

What has she said that you don't like?

Not that i don't like it, it's funny to say the least :

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010

"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

"Perhaps so." --Sarah Palin, when asked if we may need to go to war with Russia because of the Georgia crisis, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008

"You'll be there to defend the innocents from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans." --Sarah Palin, linking the Iraq war the 9/11 attacks while addressing U.S. soldiers shipping off to Iraq, Fairbanks, Alaska, Sept. 11, 2008

"We have a President, perhaps for the very first time since the founding of our republic, who doesn't appear to believe that America is the greatest earthly force for good the world has ever known." --Sarah Palin, Facebook note, June 30, 2010

Some more...

[nettrucker 142]

To be fair, Ron Paul is not the only candidate interested in real change; he's just the most well-known in this category. Gary Johnson is another example of a GOP potential candidate who doesn't follow the status quo, but you've probably never heard of him.

Hi ST_Dux

No I don't know him. Is he running for the presidential election in 2012? I might not have been very precise in expression. I meant the only one of those who are actually contenders for the presedency. I know some about Dennis Kucinich which is another American Congress man with guts.:D

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Ron Paul Wins 2011 Values Voter Straw Poll

Texas Congressman Ron Paul has been declared the winner of the 2011 Values Voter Summit Straw Poll, garnering 37 percent of the vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/08/ron-paul-2011-values-voter-straw-poll_n_1001575.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%7C102740

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Meh. The polls don't really mean crap, especially this far out.

The only reason people voted for Bush was because he was the lesser of two evils. It's the same with Obama.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Darkhorse 1-6

[nettrucker 142]

Yeah polls don't mean anything. Well if you ask me than Ron Paul is the lesser "evil". Obama is a deceive and there are people out there who don't see that he's actually doing more damage than good IMHO-

[rangerpl 13]

Ron Paul is, from my point of view, the best candidate because he's not a part of this corporate/political establishment.

The US is like a decaying house. Obama and Bush have been merely propping it up. We need somebody who is willing to rebuild the house with new materials.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

The only reason people voted for Bush was because he was the lesser of two evils. It's the same with Obama.

That's not true at all. Republicans since the mid 90s started coalition building with fiscal conservatives and evangelicals and the independent voters. It was Carl Rove that really led the charge and ultimately helped the Republican Party win on a no nation building/policing and smaller government platform. Of course, we all know now that never materialized.

[nettrucker 142]

Hi there

here's an interesting article concerning Obama's politics.

The seeds for President Obama’s demagogic press conference on Thursday were planted last summer when he assigned his right-wing Committee of 13 the role of resolving the obvious and inevitable Congressional budget standoff by forging an anti-labor policy that cuts Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and uses the savings to bail out banks from even more loans that will go bad as a result of the IMF-style austerity program that Democrats and Republicans alike have agreed to back.

The problem facing Mr. Obama is obvious enough: How can he hold the support of moderates and independents (or as Fox News calls them, socialists and anti-capitalists), students and labor, minorities and others who campaigned so heavily for him in 2008? He has double-crossed them – smoothly, with a gentle smile and patronizing patter talk, but with an iron determination to hand federal monetary and tax policy over to his largest campaign contributors: Wall Street and assorted special interests – the Democratic Party’s Rubinomics and Clintonomics core operators, plus smooth Bush Administration holdovers such as Tim Geithner, not to mention quasi-Cheney factotums in the Justice Department.

President Obama’s solution has been to do what any political demagogue does: Come out with loud populist campaign speeches that have no chance of becoming the law of the land, while quietly giving his campaign contributors what they’ve paid him for: giveaways to Wall Street, tax cuts for the wealthy (euphemized as tax “exemptions†and mark-to-model accounting, plus an agreement to count their income as “capital gains†taxed at a much lower rate).

So here’s the deal the Democratic leadership has made with the Republicans. The Republicans will run someone from their present gamut of guaranteed losers, enabling Mr. Obama to run as the “voice of reason,†as if this somehow is Middle America. This will throw the 2012 election his way for a second term if he adopts their program – a set of rules paid for by the leading campaign contributors to both parties.

Read here the complete article

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26973

Well this is a really messed up situation.

regards

[Hans Ludwig 0]

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[st_dux 26]

He's really pushing the pro-life agenda that far? Disappointing.

[Dead3yez 0]

I'm against the pro-life crap. Hopefully he's only doing that stuff to scrape in the Christian votes and will not(be able) to push that through if he were to gain presidency. It's a "sensitive" subject and can cause a lot of voters to vote either way. From my understanding America is the jesus land and this can get him a lot of votes in that regard.

Despite some disagreements, I think he would make for the greater good. Wouldn't stop my vote for him if I were American.