USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I love Obama, he will bring the dissolution of the Republic of the United States of America, only to reforge it into a stronger, supra-national superstate - the NAU.

Can't wait to travel from Europe to the US without a visa. ;)

[KEVINMGXP 20]

A book that's used to teach international relations not only at Stanford, but at other colleges in America and no I didn't form my entire opinion on the basis of one book, but the book itself holds serious merit.

I'm not saying the book does not hold serious merit it surely does! But seriously there is a lot more going on then only what the book shows, i don't think that the opinions of the people of Europe are only formed because of some decisions by the American government in their foreign afars, but also because how leading figures and their loyal followers addressed those actions towards the out side world!

Its like here in Belgium at this point, we even don't have a government, just because they can't seem to agree to a curtain point. People are having opinions on what they witnessing, the first they do is fantasizing and make assumptions for the people and because of the leading figures that are reflecting those thoughts to the out side world.

Its like with Obama in your country, " I'm not going to say i know all the history between the US party's problems and quarrels but i know it makes it pretty hard for Obama to run his office at this point " i do believe hes intentions towards America are good and to create a stronger country for the future. I don't believe hes intentions are to destroy your nation, but the opposite side is doing everything to make a disbelieve towards the out side world of that man.

I'm not saying hes going to solve everything, but darn why make it so difficult to make something happen for that person? And why caring that much where he is born he lives for hes family and he wants to address the problems at hand, hmmm he is the baddest man ever seen i guess, i just cant quit believe that you know. Then again i see comments of those opposed Americans that he did not changed anything yet, well call me a joker but its darn hard if you ask me to press bills and the opposed side is voting against it or making it difficult on everything he wants to achieve?

Now I'm not saying a favor him on everything he said ,some things can go different but he has good id's and if we would have a 1/2 of a politician here that has the guts to tell what to do and to make it happen and set it out that clear like he is doing? darn he would get my vote, but then again i will know that even when you're vote will be elected that he will not decide by hes own to make a difference! But i see more unwillingness of those that are rather wanting to fight a internal conflict then taking on the problems at hand.

At this point i see this not only in America but also in Belgium in the Netherlands Germany France and i can really go on for a while on this one. It is just like a new rage in the political world and it makes people angry plain and simple! And thats how it looks to me at this point, Democracy is like Obama said a very messy system to deal with, and like this its kinda like a government is taking his population hostage, not because of one person cant handle it but because several people of different groups just can't agree with one and a other and by this the problems out their are not getting worked out in a decent way!

Kind regards

Edited April 28, 2011 by KBourne
Gramma correction.

[Big Mac 19]

Tea Partiers arent Obama haters as you so easily lumped them. I would look up some of their sites to see what it is they DO believe in or want before you brush that broad and condescending stroke. They had problems with Bush as well. Go do some research.

I've met enough tea party members to know this about them.

1. They hate Obama with every fiber of their being. Be it on a political level, racial level or both.

2. They all think Ronald Reagan was next to God. Honestly I don't know why because the man's economic policies were horrible and he was the reason every banana republic dictator's secret police was trained by Americans.

3. They're all idiots on one level or another. I'm sorry but when you call Obama a communist or socialist you're an idiot case closed. If I need to explain why then you're even more of an idiot.

4. They all say they're about the constitution. I laugh every time I hear that because the only thing in the constitution they give a rat's ass about is the 2nd amendment. The rest can be shredded as far as they're concerned.

5. They say they don't like Bush either. That's only because Bush wouldn't nuke everything that looked at him the wrong way. Seriously though the Tea Party only puts out a half truth on this one. They say they don't like Bush but what they don't really say is why and the why is because he wasn't radical enough for them. They in fact much preferred Cheney over Bush. I'd take Bush over Captain Heart Attack any day of the week.

6. None of them have any business in political office. I'm sorry but the tea party IMO would be the downfall of America if enough of them were allowed into political office. They don't care about the very foundations on which America was founded on and they would only alienate America from it's closest allies, trading partners, and the world in general.

Can't wait to travel from Europe to the US without a visa.

You can go to the UK without a visa I believe.. Edited April 28, 2011 by Big Mac

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

The US, not the UK, a North-American Union, with its own currency and regional & open borders with the EU. ;)

Won't be long now: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mcdonalds-hires-62000-turns-away-over-938000-applicants-minimum-wage-part-time-jobs

[froggyluv 2136]

Big Whoop (whopper?) -I got turned away from MckyDees over 20 years ago -the world didnt end and my life didnt end.

Dude you need to get out in the sun and toss a frisbee or go surf -I've seen enough of your links and fav websites to garner your waiting for The End.

I've heard of Government abuse, shadow groups, implant chips and black helo's since I was a boy some 30+ years ago -guess what? I flourish in the Ol U.S. and none of those doomsday events came to pass.

If you hunker down and wait long enough in shadow, your bound to get afflicted by somethin.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I don't think anyone is against implants, or the loss of individual liberties, since there are no actions against what amounts to "tyranny", as defined by a small minority living in the 19-20th Century.

The second amendment, and the Constitution at large would have to go, though: personal firearm ownership will be displaced by total digital surveillance of public space & person, and black market transactions are going to be virtually impossible with the new currency(-ies). :)

[froggyluv 2136]

Ahh c'mon, it won't be so bad. We'll also likely have special blazing fast CPU's and GPU's implanted in our brains and central nervous systems and hopefully robotic armaments :638: -so who'll need the 2nd amendment? If not we can always play Arma straight from our brain as consolation.

See ya on the other side Citizen #2398567B.

[maturin 12]

personal firearm ownership will be displaced by total digital surveillance of public space & person, and black market transactions are going to be virtually impossible with the new currency(-ies). :)

So there's going to be complete and total digital surveillance at the same time as the complete and total failure of surveillance over digital transactions?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Black market - exchange of goods & services unathorised/banned by the State.

froggyluv, I used to entertain the thought of personal freedoms & responsibility... now, look at the slumbering masses, completely unaware of reality going on. In fact, they will demand, once more, the dissolution of the above by voting, democratically, so there's no guilty conscience on the part of forces implementing the measures.

[froggyluv 2136]

Ok I'll bite -who is behind the curtain and secretely trying to enslave our masses into cattle? and while at it, have endured in power behind the scenes for all these years? Remember, I was around for the early days of Lyndon LaRouche and this all sounds very familiar.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Not to enslave. ;) To free them from religion, national borders, to facilitate trade. 'They' go by many names throughout history: League of Nations, Club of Rome, Council on Foreign Relations, UN - those being the most visible fronts.

You think NA Union is a fairy tale? EU template will be applied all over the world, you might want to read up on the Union for the Mediterranean, and why Gaddafi is having the trouble of 2000 lb ordnance exploding in his front yard. ;)

[maturin 12]

So the EU has bombed Libya. (No it hasn't, but whatever.) No EU member state has fought a war in over half a century, while experiencing across the board economic growth.

The nation-state system has spawned empires enslaving (the kind with actual slaves) millions and wars that reduced the cities of two continents to ashes.

Sounds like a lovely fairy tale. I can't wait!

[froggyluv 2136]

Interesting..but why would one of our elected leaders aka a Bi-Racial kid from Hawaii have any interest in dealing and conforming to these intercontinental villians?

[Rovka 14]

How about a little currency-coercion? If you don't fall for that, you may lose your beloved pet, your wife, children, your carreer, your house, or life or limb yourself if they want you, whilst you're not compliant enough to their "needs."

They do not hold back secretively uttering (whispered) threats to those whom they deem as potential threat to their position. Anyone approached either complies and coöperates willingly, or is duly disposed off.

Ever heard of disapearances? People ending up in hospital, to never leave it alive again? They are often going that far, forcing doctors to make false statements, threatening these poor specialists of losing their jobs, their income, their families, and so forth!

They ain't dumb you know.. They know how to blackmail people, and are very good at using such field proven tactics aswell! It's mankind we're talking about, such idiocy happens on all levels of society. You said it yourself, we're obviously dealing with an shadowy criminal internationally operating villainous cartel here.

A cartel known for having business in Geo-Politics, operating Globe wide.. You can't deny that after all that you've seen by now. But true, yes we must focus on what the day holds in store for us. As always, at any given moment life can end unexpectedly, so make sure you'll enjoy your time whilst playtime lasts. It won't do so for eternity, where we're mere mortals to be born, live, and consequently die as result of the prior two..

So is it worth bothering your mind with all of that? Does it change world-politics where citizens actually had influence by means of spewing their discontent onto forums? It's not, won't help a damn thing, apart from them villains laughing hard about it, for it's no danger to them at all!

One push on a button, and out goes the Internet! That's what'll happen in times of Martial Law when they decide for Declaration of a State Of Emergency to come into effect. Bye bye freedom. Hello oppression! Enjoy it while it all remains as it is now.. While it lasts that is!

Edited April 29, 2011 by Thani '82

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Interesting..but why would one of our elected leaders aka a Bi-Racial kid from Hawaii have any interest in dealing and conforming to these intercontinental villians?

Because he's their project. Thani has it spot on, although I wouldn't put it in that dim light and it only applies to the transitory period, when risk of failure is at its highest. The survivors will enjoy a 'relaxed' regime, and maybe, just maybe one day, they can use such currency without second thoughts of it being a repression. ;)

[maturin 12]

How about a little currency-coercion? If you don't fall for that' date=' you may lose your beloved pet, your wife, children, your carreer, your house, or life or limb yourself if they want you, whilst you're not compliant enough to their "needs."

They do not hold back secretively uttering (whispered) threats to those whom they deem as potential threat to their position. Anyone approached either complies and coöperates willingly, or is duly disposed off.

Ever heard of disapearances? People ending up in hospital, to never leave it alive again? They are often going that far, forcing doctors to make false statements, threatening these poor specialists of losing their jobs, their income, their families, and so forth!

They ain't dumb you know.. They know how to blackmail people, and are very good at using such field proven tactics aswell! It's mankind we're talking about, such idiocy happens on all levels of society. You said it yourself, we're obviously dealing with an shadowy criminal internationally operating villainous cartel here.

A cartel known for having business in Geo-Politics, operating Globe wide.. You can't deny that after all that you've seen by now. But true, yes we must focus on what the day holds in store for us. As always, at any given moment life can end unexpectedly, so make sure you'll enjoy your time whilst playtime lasts. It won't do so for eternity, where we're mere mortals to be born, live, and consequently die as result of the prior two..

So is it worth bothering your mind with all of that? Does it change world-politics where citizens actually had influence by means of spewing their discontent onto forums? It's not, won't help a damn thing, apart from them villains laughing hard about it, for it's no danger to them at all!

One push on a button, and out goes the Internet! That's what'll happen in times of Martial Law when they decide for Declaration of a State Of Emergency to come into effect. Bye bye freedom. Hello oppression! Enjoy it while it all remains as it is now.. While it lasts that is![/quote']

The first thing They take away is our proper nouns. That's why Thanci, erstwhile prophet of salvation that he is, can't even come close to saying Who They happen to Be.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

English isn't his first language. As for naming names, we're not that suicidal and at least I hope to have a future in the brave new world. If you the need specifics, you have the second Alexandrian Library at your disposal, uncensored for now.

They most certainly don't shy away from subverting all of the 'great' things American:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Great+Caesar+Ghost+Superman+renounces+American+citizenship/4691203/story.html

Citisen of the World:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/us-superman-idUSTRE73Q93X20110428

;)

Edited April 29, 2011 by Iroquois Pliskin

[froggyluv 2136]

@Thani '82: I find some fundamental flaws in this theory.

Every President is under constant threat from all sorts of angles, this one maybe more than others -why would this shadow group have more sway?

Is the Secret Service and all top Federal Law Enforcement agencies in on the shine as well as all high level cabinent members -and why are they? All under threat of the shadow gun as well? Pretty sure if all our leaders were under threat by some little secret meeting group in Switzerland, they could harness the balls for a quick little tac. strike to remedy the threat...freedom restored!

Sounds far fetched to say the least.

Let alone that before there ever was a Tea Party, Republicans and Democrats have been at war to toxic levels for some time -but we have obviously had both parties in power pushing very different agendas? How could this happen if there were an overlord demanding certain things be done?

Take health care reform for instance: I could easily see how this could play into your theory but then why would non-Tea Party Republicans block it? It wouldn't serve the Overlord?

Then you have the issue of generations -this would have to be going on for many, many years and not one politician, federal cop, Senator etc... has dared to speak out even on their death bed? Unlikely. People talk and information always gets out -a conspiricy of this magnitude wouldn't be able to sustain itself due to basic human flaws.

I'm not saying that ALL conspiricies are false: Take The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) for instance. I have no doubt that their members who had been wanting to recarve the Middle East for some time had a huge influence over Bush JR. to go to war with Iraq after 911 -had even asked Clinton to do it previous to it . They were a scary bunch, but hardly omnipotent.

In closing, are there Think Tanks and power meetings that try to shape our and other nations policy? Absolutely. But no one group has this ultimate power you hint at -if they did, Martial Law would have happened at 12:01AM, 9/12/01.

Edited April 29, 2011 by froggyluv

[Rovka 14]

I know who the culprits are.. Soon with some backtracking to those dusty records inside your own minds, you will realize this to be true:

Financial World top-dogs!! Here we go;

IMF, CBA, ECB, Wallstreet, Dow Jones, Nikei, Nasdaq, Stockholders, Shareholders,The Mint, Banks, Greed and Profit-Priority to name a few!

IMF: Loanshark of the world, putting all 6.8 Billion people indebt, obviously enlarging that debt in the meantime!!

CBA: Forbidden Cartel-Agreements. Loanshark of USA, putting 300 million+ US citizens in debt.

ECB: Forbidden Cartel-Agreements. Loanshark of the EU, putting European Nations in debt!

Wallstreet: Gambling with non-exsistant money, causing crisis by monetary greed for profit!

Dow Jones, all the same as Wallsteet!

Nasdaq, same again as Dow Jones and Wallstreet

Nikei, same as previously mentioned Wallstreet, Nasdaq, and Dow Jones.

Stockholders: Risking people's jobs, priorizing profit for own gain, over other people's job security, by placing bets all over the place, to create more wealth for themselves!

Shareholders, "people" wanting to pick a grain off the profiteer-heap tugging at non-excistant money, owing nothing, but taking magic for granted, over other people's backs!

The Mint: Creating all the more money, in order to make money devaluate for less profit for you the commoner, and make it crash, to allow Financial World to "solve problems". The more they print, the worse it gets! This is when people stick barrels of raw-resources to the price of any given examplatory currency. Be it Euro, be it Dollar, Yuan, or Yen doesn't matter.

Then we have those motherfockers raping their own grannies called Banks! Banks are the errand boys bothering you to buy their products, under threat of a knife or gun to the head, stating there's no alternative ,then complying with their deviced system! They sell you: Insurances, Small Loans, your Monthly Salary, your Bank-card.

As matter of fact, they OWN you!! You're forced to endebt yourself to them, for otherwise you cannot get to your monthly paid salary! (atleast here in the crooked EU that is!) Let me tell you one thing about something that is going on in Europe right now...

The EU based ECB isn't satisfied with the rate of people's spendage of the 5-euro paper-money. It isn't spend enough according to them. Ofcourse they fraudulently tell you a twisted story, half truth, half lie as usual. And that story maintains because too many Eastern Bloc people had now begun to illegally copy and reproduce those 5-euro paper-money scraps of paper that they issued, where they had made agreements on enlarging the EU, actually paying a loan to the EU to enlarge with all it's costs, on behalf of every EU nationstate's citizen paying for that by means of Taxes!!

Thus they create a problem, and now they say it's their citizens fault!! No it's not!! One cannot blame the citizens where prices of food, water, taxes are on the rise, where expenditures made are increasingly outweiging anybody's income!!

Roman Empire fell because it grew too large. Nazi-Germany fell because it grew too large! Soviet Union fell, because it grew too large! And so will the European Union!! Such a sluggish corrupt money-eating monster which doesn't feed the needs of it's people, and breaks made promises time and again, all for the glory of a wealthy few, cannot sustain to be!

Back in the Roman Empire money was a problem. DEBTS In Nazi-Germany it was a problem aswell, where it had caused the Second World War to start in the first place.. Why?? DEBTS!!! in the Soviet Union, poverty stricken people hardly able to get by, because they were forced in a system that created nothing for them but DEBTS!! European Union foolishly trying the same old shit all over again, attracting hordes of poor helpless non-intelligent crowds of young male immigrants, causing damage to all and everybody, again creating DEBTS!!!

Debts people, Financial burden is the problem, and those responsible for that have to pay for their crimes commited for already well over 2.000 years! Fun and games are over, time to get serious!

Then there's the monarchy bathing in absolute wealth for all to see what they have, and you have not.. Ofcourse it isn't about William and Kate.. They're the poor rats caught in the trap at the bottom.. No it's about the one called Elizabeth, the guests that visit that make it look all shinier, and more glamorous that the Snake-Pit really is! Gues what happens when you do own large swaths of lands being master of the illegally stolen lands you possess. That includes banks, thus the financial sector, a sector in which the Monarchs surely are stock and shareholders, paying themselves dividents by forced income paid from debts being made! And you all cheer for those pricks??

It are the Monarchs and high-top state-runners that attend the Bilderberg conferences you know. BTW: Here's your reason why Fukushima is kept hush-hush quiet: Profit creation by means of unleashing a expansive problem, to create a cry for help, a shout for cure, to a sickness called Cancer! Cancer being profitable to them, for it sees to the eradication of overpopulation. Why else do the Financiers allow war be waged, then for absolute profit, over the backs of Military and Civilians alike, then cause Devide-Conquer Status-Quo be maintained for the sake of same old profit!? Dropping phosphorous bombs creates illness, illness means treatment or therapy, that means profit.. Do you see the pattern here?? Money money money and again fucking money!!

There are your crooks.. Go get them!!!

PS: As for calling for some shadowy governing stuff, operating as a puppetmaster: That can be explained by multiple people operating one doll behind the visible stage.. Take the Muppet-Show for example! That's how it's done.. Shared accountability with somebody to point at, causing people to give up when they're send back and forth all over the place! All in the same boat, yet pointing to one another being the admiral! In the end, you gotta kill them all, if you want the situation to end there and then, get over with it, and continue onwards with a queste for truth and freedom, hunting down all that stand in our way of united prosperity globe wide!

Maintaining large birth-statistics per year, keeping up currently overcrowding situation going for the worse, by allowing babies being born, is also lucrative to them.. Creates more souls to feed from. Taxed from birth to death, all for fucking profit whilst you slowly rot in misery and despair on why all this unfair business had come over ya.. Easy: Ban the stockmarket, decline loans offered, deny live above your stance and you're fine once everybody starts doing so!

That's what they call Responsible behaviour. Then comes Duty, and final place: Rights!

Responsible it is to keep your eyes open, to allow for alternative bits and pieces to be processed in your brains, as far as information goes. There's never a single side to any story.. Media is a great example to that, of propagating the will of the government, but speaking on terms against the people!

Duty it is to earn freedom by spreading the words on how to gain such freedom. Keep shut and you don't deserve if you do not even want to stand up and if need's be fight for it! Doesn't matter if it's called X Y or Z as far as system goes, it all boils down to Financial Profit made. Power = Profit, have you ever seen a Mullah dressed in poor man's cloths?? Did you ever see your president in a shambles' jacket?? That's what I'm talking about...

And after you did your duty to spread the word, inform the world about this wherever you can, whenever you can, thén we can come to terms about Rights of liberty and freedom for all, including you! You want something?? You gotta earn it!! Work hard for your goals of Truth and Prosperity for all alike.. Put DOWN this system of Financial Evil!!

Remember, we had a system of Trade before Financial money was introduced. Had it changed that much, thanks to deflation/inflation happening all the time?? You bought a trouser for 10 dollar, and you want to sell it for 5 dollar, but value of dollar had collapsed thus you get 1 dollar instead? Who's fooling taking the entire trade-market hostage here?? Again the Financial World!! Rid of them whilst you can!! Trade was more honest: You want meat, you bake pie. You want cloth, you trade crate of beer. And so forth. Nothing unequal about it. Money is what is unequal, and keeps people devided!!

If you don't wanna trade a Ferrari to obtain yourself a Goat, then you don't HAVE TO trade with the fucker setting these trade-terms.. It's called common sense! He'll lose any potential trade-customer with such demands having to be met. Logic taken away by money instituted. For we can buy ourself a Ford-T at 1920 prices 10-times over, on what by then had been Ferrari's of their own time-period! You have the freedom to trade with whom you feel comfortable, and avoid those who you do not trust! Not the case with monetary currency, handing over money, to the state whom you cannot trust. Nation State, or Superstate doesn't matter.

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@ Froggy.. Its also a matter of playing around with numbers.. Numbers can work for you as advantage, but also against you as overwhelming force to be reckoned with! Ofcourse people talk.

And what's more fun then telling somebody else a little secret! Atleast then YOU don't have to sit around with that secret stuck in your head for the rest of the day! What good is a secret if it's not being shared with some others.. Best is: NO SECRETS at all!!

So why the secrecy then? That's what I mean.... That's what I'm talking about.. Read between the lines, and continue to question for sake of spreading some positivity for a true change to be brought about! The only change can come from people with knowledge on how things work.. I do not say I know everything and all, but I got me a basic indepth understanding on how people work in general on psychologic ways. The reason I am known to solve problems is because of my straight-to-the-point questions that I ask those involved in such problems. Why go around, if you can solve problem faster by diving head-on into the matter where it hurts most??

That hurts a bit more, but not longer then neccessary! Truth told, truth hurts! People rather be blinded I suppose. Easy to stick head in the sand, but standing up and fighting for your rights gained, not to lose them at will to those corrupted by power, and profit is something worth a struggle.. But alas.. People rather stick their heads in the sands all too soon, all too often before anything had really started to heated up..

I do not deny flaws made, I do not mention I am all knowing.. I am not! Not at all! And I never hope to become so either. Infact: I hate to be seemingly right time and again, for having put the finger on the sore-spot again and again and again, and people do not want to learn!!! Do you know how frustrating that is, being able to see things go wrong, and getting demotivated by some doubting your motives?

Did I ever said I wanted to have a palace build for myself, do you even know me on personal basis in daily life other then what I write here for you to read? You may google my name, but righteousness is something that sits solid and deeply entrenched in my soul. I hate injustice wherever whenever or whatever way it appears on. And even if what I say may be blunt to the core of your bones, it is well meant, and pure of it's intentions. Merely wanting a better world for all.

But if it's a restrained world with choking laws that we all end up living in, I rather have death over false-liberty instead! That is the level on where I wish to go.. All the way down that line, until the very last breath I take. Atleast then I know I did enough, and all I did was all I could do to combat evil wherever it raised it's head!

As consequence, I do not reproduce for I do not want to saddle up my children with debts of mine, and theirs stacked on their little shoulders, only to see such system continue on and on..

People ought to be less selfish and quit reproducing like rabbits, and all problems truly be solved, as less people can be milked for money. Overpopulation has it's price.. Go ask Planet Earth all about it.. Even she's gangbanged in the arse time and again, and as usual for fuckin profit! Go ask Al Gore.

That's my stance I deliberately choose. No shiny giftwrap concealing-trickery to be seen on my package. You got what you have, and no waste being produced for sideshow-effects fucking about with your brains, other then content of the box for lessons to be heeded, and learned from whenever you wish, if you wish.. But you don't have to if you don't want to, for I don't force you.

I for one am not responsible for the fact that anyone replies upon this written matter of mine, even if it is seemingly material which automatically causes people to react.. I do understand how that works. That's why I write like this, to cause people to stop and think. Act instead of react!

I can act as an individual, but united with people like me, I too can accomplish alot more already.. For that to happen, people need to get focussed on the positivity, and believe in their goals set, and start organizing themselves appropriately, for I am bad at organizing. That's not where my capabilities are, it's not what I'm good at, even if I perhaps seem to be. That's truth and honest answer for you all to read! Now how many of you dare to say something like this along those lines about themselves in all honesty?

Edited April 29, 2011 by Thani '82

[Tonci87 163]

Its like with Obama in your country, " I'm not going to say i know all the history between the US party's problems and quarrels but i know it makes it pretty hard for Obama to run his office at this point " i do believe hes intentions towards America are good and to create a stronger country for the future. I don't believe hes intentions are to destroy your nation, but the opposite side is doing everything to make a disbelieve towards the out side world of that man.

I'm not saying hes going to solve everything, but darn why make it so difficult to make something happen for that person? And why caring that much where he is born he lives for hes family and he wants to address the problems at hand, hmmm he is the baddest man ever seen i guess, i just cant quit believe that you know. Then again i see comments of those opposed Americans that he did not changed anything yet, well call me a joker but its darn hard if you ask me to press bills and the opposed side is voting against it or making it difficult on everything he wants to achieve?

Now I'm not saying a favor him on everything he said ,some things can go different but he has good id's and if we would have a 1/2 of a politician here that has the guts to tell what to do and to make it happen and set it out that clear like he is doing? darn he would get my vote, but then again i will know that even when you're vote will be elected that he will not decide by hes own to make a difference! But i see more unwillingness of those that are rather wanting to fight a internal conflict then taking on the problems at hand.

At this point i see this not only in America but also in Belgium in the Netherlands Germany France and i can really go on for a while on this one. It is just like a new rage in the political world and it makes people angry plain and simple! And thats how it looks to me at this point, Democracy is like Obama said a very messy system to deal with, and like this its kinda like a government is taking his population hostage, not because of one person cant handle it but because several people of different groups just can't agree with one and a other and by this the problems out their are not getting worked out in a decent way!

Kind regards

Couldn't have said it better

[froggyluv 2136]

Well Thani, I'm not really sure what to say except that your obviously very pissed off and disillusioned with the world and mankind in general.

I guess I just see things differently although I agree there is massive corruption, greed and generally terrible human beings in the world -thats life man.

I used to have a similar outlook - raging against the machine, and many of my close friends when down that road to an early demise -that snapped me into a different reality and I realised life is short and staying in that dark cloud only made me miserable so I just simply turned around and went the way of gratitude. Sorry, not trying to sound preachy but thats just my reality.

[Big Mac 19]

Thani...dude...seriously...stop with the Great Wall of Text. It's obnoxious...

[Rovka 14]

@Froggyluv: It is just that I'm dissappointed that's all.. It's very hard to remain positive when one gets kicked down into the gutter time and again, whilst trying his/her best to remain standing, and be different to the ignorant masses for a change.

But I slowly do transform into becoming more mild as each year passes. I really used to be alot worse then what you saw here.. But back ontopic again shall we? This is USA topic afterall.. :)

@Big Mac: It's done when it's done. If you have a problem with that, feel free to report me to a Moderator for it. Have a nice day.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Thani '82

[Big Mac 19]

@Big Mac: It's done when it's done. If you have a problem with that, feel free to report me to a Moderator for it. Have a nice day.

I think it was done before you even posted it, but more to the point it just makes you look less credible and more like a loon.

[Rovka 14]

Yeah? Look who's talking here.. You just made my day! :D

Edited April 30, 2011 by Thani '82