USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[Big Dawg KS 6]

I realize that illegal immigration is a big concern here in the States, but as a New Englander I can't really comment on it much, since I haven't really witnessed the effects firsthand.

What I can say, however, is that there's no such thing as a strong, unifying American (as in United States of America, and not the Americas) culture, at least not anymore. Historically, much of this country was indeed founded on immigration, and so we wound up with a nation so incredibly ethnically varied that it's not surprsing that nobody respects anyone elses ethnicity.

Don't forget that the US was created by people who were essentially kicked out of their home countries, or who had nowhere else to go. Even after becoming an independent nation, it wasn't unified for quite some time. It's quite understandable why there's a lot of suspicion in this country today.

Then again, knowing the diversity of the US, that might really only apply to the New England area. I don't really know too much about the history of the midwestern states, not as much as a native of the area (see, more evidence of the lack of unification in this country). And I really don't know why I felt the need for this little history lesson (which is probably pretty crappy anyway), only that I felt I should contribute to this conversation in some way.

[Laqueesha 474]

I realize that illegal immigration is a big concern here in the States, but as a New Englander I can't really comment on it much, since I haven't really witnessed the effects firsthand.

What I can say, however, is that there's no such thing as a strong, unifying American (as in United States of America, and not the Americas) culture, at least not anymore. Historically, much of this country was indeed founded on immigration, and so we wound up with a nation so incredibly ethnically varied that it's not surprsing that nobody respects anyone elses ethnicity.

Don't forget that the US was created by people who were essentially kicked out of their home countries, or who had nowhere else to go. Even after becoming an independent nation, it wasn't unified for quite some time. It's quite understandable why there's a lot of suspicion in this country today.

Then again, knowing the diversity of the US, that might really only apply to the New England area. I don't really know too much about the history of the midwestern states, not as much as a native of the area (see, more evidence of the lack of unification in this country). And I really don't know why I felt the need for this little history lesson (which is probably pretty crappy anyway), only that I felt I should contribute to this conversation in some way.

By that logic, there is no unified British culture either, as the U.K. is made up of several different countries, not including the Commonwealth realms; neither was there no unified Soviet culture as the Soviet Union was a collection of several Soviet Socialist Republics (SSR).

However, the United Kingdom's and Soviet Union's culture is/were very similar to the culture of the United States' in theory, as I will explain below and have explained to a point above.

I have to disagree with your comment about no unified American culture, in my opinion, there is a unified American culture, which is a mix of the cultures of several different countries to form one single culture.

Edited April 29, 2010 by Laqueesha

[Big Dawg KS 6]

I have to disagree with your comment about no unified American culture, in my opinion, there is a unified American culture, which is a mix of the cultures of several different countries to form one single culture.

There is a culture, I don't think it's terribly unified as it really varies depending on where you are (though I suppose that is true of any culture), but I guess that's just my opinion. It's not as developed or as strongly prevalent as other nations, not that I am by any means an expert, but I don't really think Americans are unified in their ideals and certainly not their beliefs, and this is reflected quite obviously in our government. The US federal system, though I don't know how closely it might resemble other federal nations, really shows a lack of unification IMO. Then again, it's not like it's disadvantageous, as the whole point of the system is to (try to) keep everyone happy I guess, regardless of these differences among them.

Again, I'm not an expert. I'll just stop talking now I guess.

[franze 196]

This pretty much relates to USA Politics, so please use the existing USA politics thread: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=39262

Closing.

[BronzeEagle 2]

basically i see it like this.....the sheep know not to feed the wolves, why doesn't america? first the somalians then the mujahideen.......

[*LK1* 10]

This thread is to discuss USA politics only, anything related more to topics such as Iraq or war on Terror should go into those threads.

....a terroristic politic of course.they have supported a lot of dictators in sud america(like contras groups..) and even in middle east.they have exported democracy with thousand and thousand of bombs like in iraq and afghanistan.

they have bombarded serbia for geo-political reasons...

if you are not a fox news brainwashed is hard to find something good in the american foreign politic. basically that why even in western countries america's image is not shining.

they are just persecuting their own interest no matter what they have to do to realize them.basically like all the empire's in history.what is a bit different is the funny hypocrisy they use to justify any kind of wars or "action".

of course they need this hypocrisy since they are a democracy and they can't go at the american people to tell "hey we are a super power and we need more oil or whatever".so they need to invent some bullshit like weapon of mass destruction or whatever.

[mosh 0]

....a terroristic politic of course.they have supported a lot of dictators in sud america(like contras groups..) and even in middle east.they have exported democracy with thousand and thousand of bombs like in iraq and afghanistan.

they have bombarded serbia for geo-political reasons...

if you are not a fox news brainwashed is hard to find something good in the american foreign politic. basically that why even in western countries america's image is not shining.

they are just persecuting their own interest no matter what they have to do to realize them.basically like all the empire's in history.what is a bit different is the funny hypocrisy they use to justify any kind of wars or "action".

of course they need this hypocrisy since they are a democracy and they can't go at the american people to tell "hey we are a super power and we need more oil or whatever".so they need to invent some bullshit like weapon of mass destruction or whatever.

Some people living outside of the US have a decent grasp of what is going on here, as the last few pages have shown. And it is quite interesting to read your take on our country (good or bad).

But then again, some just talk out of their asses, as the quoted poster has done.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Mosh

[*LK1* 10]

Some people living outside of the US have a decent grasp of what is going on here, as the last few pages have shown.

would to know what you consider "decent"and what not,probably you'll consider "decent"what you like and "not decent" what you dont like,is an old trick.most of the fact i've exposed are not opinions..as i said are facts.

like supporting dictatures around the world,like stealing other countrie's resources ecc ecc...

And it is quite interesting to read your take on our country (good or bad).

concerning foreign politic?we are just puppetts in your hands if you want to know.like most of the NATO countries that are in iraq for example.

but we are even worst if we take a look at internal politic.we have "berlusconi"as president...can't be worst than now.

however we were talking about american foreign politic not about my country.

and i've simply gave you my opinion.if you want you can open a thread concerning italy,i really don't care.or you can make in evidence the fascist past of my nation or whatever,i'm here...

you know probably if i start to tell some big bullshit as some typical brainraped republican you'll appreciate but hey...i'm not a brainwashed.

But then again, some just talk out of their asses, as the quoted poster has done.

oh well i can even understand you:if you were raised with hamburger,patriotism and lying policies is hard to understand why people is so critical with your foreign policy.you know the problem with me is i don't need to born in iraq-afghanistan-serbia or nicaragua to understand how terroristic is your nation.hope you can get me if you leave the patriotism for 1 sec.

now plz since i'm just "talking out with my ass" can you explain me where is

the mistake on what i've said?

dude half of the people in the western world,and not some "haji" in saudi arabia,think in this way.so you can even start to interrogate yourself about how is that possible.

last thing.i was polite buddy if you can be polite too would be appreciate you know.i've heard a tons of dumb comments by americans republican(the worst of worst in my opinion) concerning their foreign politic or when they leave a comment on a youtube video when an apache is using a 30mm cannon against people,i never said "you are talking with your ass".

Edited May 22, 2010 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[BronzeEagle 2]

America needs to stop these missions of "good will". Taxpayer money policing some foreign country that has nothing to DO WITH AMERICA? COME ONNNNN!! Our taxpayer dollars are actually going towards helping these people who attack us in return. This is bullsh*t and we need to do something about it, make some kind of pledge or change of law that prevents us and future presidents from falling into the same soft hearted trap over and over again.

Edited May 22, 2010 by BronzeEagle

[Hans Ludwig 0]

America needs to stop these missions of "good will". Taxpayer money policing some foreign country that has nothing to DO WITH AMERICA? COME ONNNNN!! Our taxpayer dollars are actually going towards helping these people who attack us in return. This is bullsh*t and we need to do something about it, make some kind of pledge or change of law that prevents us and future presidents from falling into the same soft hearted trap over and over again.

Then vote for Ron Paul.

[BronzeEagle 2]

VOTE FOR RON PAUL, VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!

sorry i couldn't help myself. i just never knew there was a candidate out there for me, for the better change of america. wow. thank you jesus.

[Big Mac 19]

I'd rather have Bush back in office then vote for Ron Paul...or his son....especially his son....

[Takko 10]

Palin 2012!

[Big Mac 19]

Palin 2012!

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Edited May 23, 2010 by Big Mac

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I'd rather have Bush back in office then vote for Ron Paul...or his son....especially his son....

You must like big government, taxes, and entitlement programs.

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Edited May 23, 2010 by Hans Ludwig

[Big Mac 19]

I do like big government. The US is too big to have just a small federal government. I wouldn't say that I like taxes, but if you want cheap bridges that collapse because they're cheap, roads with countless potholes, or a military with substandard equipment then you need taxes. And for entitlement programs I'm all for them. They help people who are less fortunate than others.

[HyperU2 11]

And for entitlement programs I'm all for them. They help people who are less fortunate than others.

Oh yeah, the lazy. Fuck em.

[ryguy 10]

Oh yeah, the lazy. Fuck em.

Have you tried getting a job recently?

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You must like big government, taxes, and entitlement programs.

UqTt24PyNAA

You realize Reagan left office with a massive debt, right? And that income taxes are lowest in 60 years? Not to mention Reagan is dead and this is just a bunch of pictures put on top of clips.

[sparks50 0]

Some people are less fortunate than others, to say blame it on them all being lazy is ridiculus.

I think providing help to the weak is very important, but it should not be done by the government via forced taxes.

Forced taxes destroys the grounds of real charity. When was the last time you gave a significant contribution to a charitable organisation?

I think that without taxes, in this rich and (mostly) friendly country people would give a completly other support to charitable organisations than we see today,

and I think we would see a lot more one-on-one help as well.

And since when was less roads only a bad thing? Less traffic, less deaths on the road, less polution.

Edited May 24, 2010 by sparks50

[Big Mac 19]

Oh yeah, the lazy. Fuck em.

You do realize that most people who benefit from these programs are people who are actually trying to make it, but because of the lack of decent paying jobs in their community they're having to ask the government to help them out (i.e. Food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) Calling them lazy is stereotyping the people who benefit from these programs.

And since when was less roads only a bad thing? Less traffic, less deaths on the road, less pollution.

Actually that's incorrect. It's means way more traffic, way more deaths, and way more pollution. Take NYC as an example. If you made it so there was only one two-lane highway in and out of the city you'd have a lot of pissed off new yorkers and a pissed off new yorker is a dangerous new yorker..

Edited May 24, 2010 by Big Mac

[sparks50 0]

Building bigger roads may in the short term free up traffic. But in the long term, building more roads also encourages people to drive more.

And encouraging people to drive more drives up the demand for more roads and highways.

[Baff1 0]

But lowers the cost of transported goods and increases the distance people can live from work.

[Big Mac 19]

Building bigger roads may in the short term free up traffic. But in the long term, building more roads also encourages people to drive more.

And encouraging people to drive more drives up the demand for more roads and highways.

That makes no sense at all....

[Hans Ludwig 0]

You do realize that most people who benefit from these programs are people who are actually trying to make it, but because of the lack of decent paying jobs in their community they're having to ask the government to help them out (i.e. Food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) Calling them lazy is stereotyping the people who benefit from these programs.

Would you mind citing your source on this information of yours?

And for entitlement programs I'm all for them. They help people who are less fortunate than others.

You are not entitled to my money, which I worked hard for. If you want to be lazy and have a society pay for you to keep up your lazy life style, then move to Europe. Or you can build a time machine and live in 1960s Russia.

What happens to lazy animals in nature? They starve to death or learn to adapt to their surroundings pretty fast in order to survive and mate.

You realize Reagan left office with a massive debt, right? And that income taxes are lowest in 60 years? Not to mention Reagan is dead and this is just a bunch of pictures put on top of clips.

A: No. Overall, the Reagan years saw a restoration of prosperity, and the goal of peace through strength seemed to be within grasp.

Source: Biography of Ronald Reagan | www.whitehouse.gov

Answered by: Diane M.

Edited May 25, 2010 by Hans Ludwig

[ryguy 10]

Would you mind citing your source on this information of yours?

This is obvious. US welfare programs, unlike most other countries', are most of the time a "workfare" approach in which you need to be working or training for a job in order to have the benefits.

You are not entitled to my money, which I worked hard for. Technically, the government really is entitled to a certain percantage of your money. This is what taxes are. Since the US is a democracy you have a say in what they do with it. If you want to be lazy be lazy? Just because someone doesn't have the ability to pay for a bare-minimums lifestyle doesn't mean they are lazy. For instance, the disabled need disablement insurance. Also, people with children often can't pay for their needs even if they are working two or more jobs. Same with welfare: sure, it's possible to exploit welfare but there are many out there who work 2+ jobs every day and night and still live in poverty, needing welfare to make up the difference.and have a society pay for you to keep up your lazy life style, then move to Europe. Or you can build a time machine and live in 1960s Russia.

What happens to lazy animals in nature? They starve to death or learn to adapt to their surroundings pretty fast in order to survive and mate. You may disagree with me, but letting people starve on the street until they die is indeed something animals would do. This is what separates us from the animals.

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