LSR Delta Force 1.00 released at Flashpoint.ru

[Silent Pro 0]

Great deltas Laser, but to all those here who keep feeling the need to add that these are better than BAS's or that they can delete BAS's now...why? What is the point of saying that? These are two different versions of the same unit from different time periods. The protec helmets are being used less and less now a days, especially by SFOD-D. Just because they look look like the delta's from BHD does not make them better because they used that particular look in a movie.

There are lots of things that are different between BAS's and these...

...nice protec and m733 for all you BHD fanatics(even i like these as i too feel they were sorely missed)

...they have the cool single piece NOD(nice touch, model needs refinement though)

...textures are resonably good(fairly inaccurate though)

...moveable goggles

...varied weaponpack(some models better than others, some are chopped up versions of several existing weapons)

...19 different soldier models

... 3 different uniform outfits

BAS's

...Excellent BDU textures of highest quality

...Appropriate MICH, or is it the TC2000 helmet?

...Large weaponpack

...Improved body armor values

...Nomex gloves

...detailed pouches, vests, utilities,  and armor

...proper camelbak

...models and textures do not tear or warp

...They match the quality and attention to detail that their vehicles and other addons have.

...Several purpose built hi quality missions designed for these units.

Lasers and BAS's units may be modelled after the same unit. However if anything they were modeled from different time periods i would say, Lasers represents moreso the unit during the 90's. BAS's gives a fairly good representation of what SFOD-D is like right now and has been since 2001. I'd also like to add that Laser did not do this all on his own, as many neglect to read the documents supplied with the units...you would see that he credits many others for their help, work and permission to use their work in his addon including BAS.

The biggest complaint about BAS's stuff has been the weaponpack and the ability to distinguish between Rangers and Delta. People want to be able to look at them like they did in the BHD movies and say "ooh black protec, black vest and armor....blatant USA flag across the chest and an m733 or m727, that must be a Delta operator". Sorry but you need to look harder....

The rangers have their gear, they wear the RACK, RBA, and have their helmets covered with the appropriate woodland or 3 color desert BDU.

The deltas have the same helmet, no cover though...different body armor, different vests and uncamouflaged camelbacks.

Really guys if a protec helmet and an m733 is what makes an addon the best , then I think your value of these units is much more subjective and less about the quality.

[Messiah 2]

Josh Hartnett

Very nice detail on the gear...looks mint.

seal matey, my girlfriend loves Josh Hartnett (worrying) and that can't be him... if it was, i'd have no reason to worry... please tell me its old Dubya

[Milkman 1]

Josh Hartnett

Very nice detail on the gear...looks mint.

seal matey, my girlfriend loves Josh Hartnett (worrying) and that can't be him... if it was, i'd have no reason to worry... please tell me its old Dubya

Trust me, it is Josh Harnett. Where on earth do you see Dubya in that face?

[FerretFangs 0]

I kind of saw it too. Put W in a PASGT, and knock off like twenty years, and it makes more sense.

[Laser 0]

@Silent Pro:

Correction, sir... i wouldn't take too much credits for the WEAPONS, since i do not consider myself a decent weapon maker by any means, but the UNITS were made by me basically from scratch, only parts that left from original BIS models are the head, arms and the boots. And I also used Suchey's kneepad model, that's all.

And note that some of my Delta operators actually wear that MICH (it's actually MICH, not TC-2000) helmet. I wanted to create a unit which looks like a bit older BHD-style, and a bit modern at the same time. The community is to judge whether I had achieved this objective or not.

Now to that camelbak... I could post a pic here showing the same model I used. Here it is.

[Scanzee 0]

The weapon models and textures are great but i think the desert paintjob on the M4's is a little bit to dark.

The should look more like this:

thishttp://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Special_Forces-Afghanistan/b_sfa08.jpg

And an EOTech would be cool ;)

[Landwarrior87 0]

Laser dont pay any attention to certain people(s) (NOT pointing any elbows or winking any eyes at anyone) who just like to kiss BAS's ass.. Laser i love your work and they look very modern to me.. 2 things id say..

M4's could use a redo a desert textures.

And Desert Camo should match HYK's a little more. Pattern looks funny.

[Silent Pro 0]

@Laser

I never gave you all that much credit for the weapons in the first place, i do like some of them though. There is no need to emphasize what you did do on these units, your work is not in question. I believe you did fulfill the role of creating a good BHD era operator. I cannot be corrected with regard to the helmet, as the MICH and TC2000 are one in the same, see the link...

MICH/TC2000

However your MICH seems somewhat large compared to the photos seen on the link i gave, and photos of the operators using the helmet at militaryphotos.net. I feel your work is very good but could benefit from some refinement to really make them more complete.

@LandWarrior

If i was kissing ass i would sound just like you do in your last post. You dont even get it do you? My point was that Lasers and BAS's deltas are two different units from two different time periods. Laser intended that to be the case, for them to look like BHD era operators from the 90's and a mix from current day operators, not like BAS's modern Deltas from around 2001 - current day.

But as i mentioned you dont see that. It's just, "yay, protec, and CAR15 w/ Aimpoint, I love you i want to give birth to your children".

Laser has produced some fine work here, but why is it so important to mention BAS, why compare? Why even mention BAS? They made totally different units...one is not better than the other, i would use Lasers units for something different than what i would use BAS's for.

Mistaking my comments for something totally biased...like say your post ( not pointing any fingers, toes...etc) is totally absurd.

Some of you kids here need to understand what constructive criticicism is and learn how to compare two things without getting personal about it.

[Landwarrior87 0]

@LandWarrior

If i was kissing ass i would sound just like you do in your last post. You dont even get it do you? My point was that Lasers and BAS's deltas are two different units from two different time periods. Laser intended that to be the case, for them to look like BHD era operators from the 90's and a mix from current day operators, not like BAS's modern Deltas from around 2001 - current day.

But as i mentioned you dont see that. It's just, "yay, protec, and CAR15 w/ Aimpoint, I love you i want to give birth to your children".

Laser has produced some fine work here, but why is it so important to mention BAS, why compare? Why even mention BAS? They made totally different units...one is not better than the other, i would use Lasers units for something different than what i would use BAS's for.

no i believe you pointed out BAS yourself in your first post when you decided to do an entire "Addon Breakdown" which was entirely not needed. Laser explained his own units already of what they are and what they represented which left you in no place to provide your commentary on comparing them to BAS's. All you had to do was give you opinions on Laser's Delta's and his alone without comparing them to BAS Units. So no you dont get it, just leave your nice comments and be through with it. Take their cock outta your mouth first before posting any of your "Constructive Critisim".

:-)

[ThePara 0]

I'd have to agree on the concept of the MICH helmet. Even BAS didn't get the size and look correct in my opinion, no one really has yet.

[Laser 0]

@Silent Pro,

Actually, I used the same link when making the helmet. But still, I could be wrong with the size, thanks for pointing that out.

And please don't feel offended, I try to summarize everything there is about my latest addon, and every comment (as long as it's constructive and makes sense) is welcome.

[Silent Pro 0]

@LandWarrior

If i was kissing ass i would sound just like you do in your last post. You dont even get it do you? My point was that Lasers and BAS's deltas are two different units from two different time periods. Laser intended that to be the case, for them to look like BHD era operators from the 90's and a mix from current day operators, not like BAS's modern Deltas from around 2001 - current day.

But as i mentioned you dont see that. It's just, "yay, protec, and CAR15 w/ Aimpoint, I love you i want to give birth to your children".

Laser has produced some fine work here, but why is it so important to mention BAS, why compare? Why even mention BAS? They made totally different units...one is not better than the other, i would use Lasers units for something different than what i would use BAS's for.

no i believe you pointed out BAS yourself in your first post when you decided to do an entire "Addon Breakdown" which was entirely not needed. Laser explained his own units already of what they are and what they represented which left you in no place to provide your commentary on comparing them to BAS's. All you had to do was give you opinions on Laser's Delta's and his alone without comparing them to BAS Units. So no you dont get it, just leave your nice comments and be through with it. Take their cock outta your mouth first before posting any of your "Constructive Critisim".

:-)

First of all you need to READ the WHOLE thread to back up your claims, Laser did not clarify his intentions and the purpose of his addon until after my first post. My post was aimed at all of those who are obsessed either by hating BAS or constantly worshipping them, there was plenty of that before i got into this. I can clearly see what kind of fanatic you are. By the way who the hell gave you authority to decide what comments I should leave on this topic Mr. Uber Moderator? Where do you get off telling me that my comments are unwelcome? What kind of sniveling, snot nosed pimple faced high school drop out thinks he can spout off like that, because of an addon?

I simply compared for those people who are too blind or dumb to compare the details of both units( hint hint ). Laser never did this, you did not do this. So for you to say that it is unnecessary is pretty dumb considering a lot of people cant even see the difference between BAS's deltas and the rangers. And what it took for them to see the difference was for Laser to produce a set which features....guess what folks, a black protec, an m733 carbine w/ aimpoint and black body armor. People suddenly wake up and think...oh yeah that looks like Hoot from BHD, OMG, those are DELTAS!!. Most people dont even realize that among those delta operators who were participating in Op. Gothic Serpent, there were SEALS's and USAF CCT's who were wearing the same loadouts or similar to the SFOD-D guys, and no one would ever know the difference, without...DETAIL!!!. Something you obviously dont understand.

Landwarrior. Grow up,  stick to Teen chat rooms. You shouldnt say cock by the way, your mom might take your computer away and erase your porn

@Laser

I appreciate your openness to comments and constructive criticsims. I am not at all offended by your posts, however annoyed with posts by people like Landwarrior87 and Munk (encountered in another topic). Keep up the great work, I look forward to your next release.

[Katerina 0]

I think your comment landwarrior really wasn't needed, infact quite disgusting. Silent was purely giving an example why each of the addons are different from each other.

[ni-mh 0]

jesus people this is just a game! enjoy what you get!

great job laser, can't wait for those updated rangers  

small bug: the m4 sopmod sd and (des) m4 acog w/ m203 lacks shadows

small bug 2: optics of silenced weapons still have muzzle flashes on them.

[Landwarrior87 0]

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...they have the cool single piece NOD(nice touch, model needs refinement though)

...textures are resonably good(fairly inaccurate though)

...varied weaponpack(some models better than others, some are chopped up versions of several existing weapons)

Clearly you are bringing his addon down by saying these things with your comparisions. And you contradict your last post by the way by saying why bring up bas.. why compare? when you decided to breakdown the differences between the two.

Quote[/b] ]What kind of sniveling, snot nosed pimple faced high school drop out thinks he can spout off like that, because of an addon?

I need to grow up? listen to yourself... just because you get off on being a geek and noticing the small differences between Delta Force addons and not just playing the game for it being fun (FOR WHICH IT IS MEANT) dont bash other peoples opinions for thinking they look cooler than BAS's. Sorry everyone doesnt sit in front of their computer on your specwarfare.com studying different helmets and vests.. some people might actually just want to play the GAME.

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BAS's

...Excellent BDU textures of highest quality

...Appropriate MICH, or is it the TC2000 helmet?

...Large weaponpack

...Improved body armor values

...Nomex gloves

...detailed pouches, vests, utilities,  and armor

...proper camelbak

...models and textures do not tear or warp

...They match the quality and attention to detail that their vehicles and other addons have.

...Several purpose built hi quality missions designed for these units.

a good example... take the the damn thing out your mouth.. actually it seems as if there is nothing at all negative about BAS's Delta's at all.. you seem to have left certain flaws out but i wont goto your level and say the bad things about their Delta's because thats for another thread.

Oh and if you looked at a little more porn instead of posting a protec helmet on your desktop and studying it.... you might be a little more normal. Correct me if im wrong i dont think you are an Expert on Army Special Forces Gear are you? I didnt think so...

stop beating off to the pics of special forces guys and look at some tits (girl tits that is), you might not be so uptight :-) <-- smiley right back at ya  

[ralphwiggum 6]

please refrain from mud slinging.

[Silent Pro 0]

If i am bringing Lasers addon down, why the hell does he welcome my criticism and comments? Sounds like you are taking this much more to heart than he is. Chill out internet tough guy. Do you feel better now, have you released your teen angst yet?

By the way geeks everywhere are powering everything you depend on, including having fun with your OFP addons such as Lasers Delta's, they even provide you with the freedom to voice your intelligent opinion on these forums, and for your mom to drive you to the rehab clinic...so perhaps you should be more careful about accusing someone of being a geek, because lately more people are using that as a compliment, because geeks are making it in life. Not high school drop outs.

[MSpencer 0]

Does anyone listen to ralph? Petty quibbles like this ruin topics and get them locked.

[Homefry 0]

Laser, excellent job, I'm absolutely loving these.

[theavonlady 2]

Laser, I don't know if you saw it but I made a small Elite Forces Mission Pack that shows off your Delta and your earlier GRU units.

[sv5000 127]

Ahh Avonlady, keeping the dream alive

where would we be without dedicated individuals like this in the community....

WORD!!!

[theavonlady 2]

Ahh Avonlady, keeping the dream alive  

where would we be without dedicated individuals like this in the community....

Sorry but it's not enough.

We need a lot more original mission makers. I, unfortunately, am not well versed enough for the job.

I can only encourage others to take up the task to churn out new missions that actually use all the great addons that are out there already.

We are addon drunk and mission dry.

[Messiah 2]

We are addon drunk and mission dry.

thats a great quote

[theavonlady 2]

We are addon drunk and mission dry.

thats a great quote  

Slogan Mark © 2004, The Avon Lady, all rights reserved. So there!

[MEDICUS 0]

We are addon drunk and mission dry.

Just visit our Server. You'll find some very nice coops using lot's of new addons there  

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