which special force to use when?

[BoweryBaker 0]

delta force, navy seals, green berets, rangers, with so many special forces outfits out there, which do i know to use when? how do i come up with a delta force situation and know if they'd really be called to help this? How does America choose which special force will do the job?

[redliner47 0]

delta force is more of the Counter Terror, HRT type of unit. Rangers are mobile light infantry that can respond quickly. Green berets go into enemy territory and train local militias. Navy seals ar(or used to be) UDT, but from what I hear they arent anymore so I would imagine they would be HRT much like delta

[BoweryBaker 0]

what's UDT? and when you got Delta and Seals who goes where? Or even who goes first.

[Gollum1 0]

Specwarnet

That should answer all your questions and more.

edit: Redliner, Seal Team 6 is also counter-terror, if not more than Delta Force.

edit2: Sorry, actually *was* before they were integrated in that one naval warfare group...? S**t, now I've confused myself, ignore.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Seals are usually first in they secure the needed areas for most operations like insertion points and area of operation. Seals are often search and destroy , opposed to Delta who do a fair number of snatch and grab, of VIPs weather friendly or hostile. Delta is often lighter and faster opposed to Seals who travel in larger elements with a higher amount of support elements. Depends how messy or sneeaky you wish the mission to be carried out. delta infiltrate a lot more than Seals would. But post 911 SOP for al units have dratsticly been altered, due to the complex problems with dealing with hostile elements like the Taliban and Al Quata.

Then you can't forget the army SF, who slowly intergrated more with the CIA and NSA durring the early nineties with the war on drugs. Opposed to Rangers who still are mostly under military control. You aslo have Marine Recon and Army Recondo. The later was brough back by special forces units to enhance regular Army units that were in need of special operations personal at the unit level. Commonly Regular units sending personal to Ranger or Sf school never get their personal back due to the SF and Ranger units can have first choice of who graduates the course to keep their unit strengths up. They have the attitude why waste a god troop behind a desk they can retain for themselves.

[R0adki11 3949]

dont forget special forces such as the SAS, Austrailian SAS, New Zeland SAS, GIGN, etc

[FerretFangs 0]

I think he meant US SPECOPS forces. There are also Grey Fox/ISA, Air Force Para-Rescue/Combat Control/Combat Weather, and the Marines new Unit, USMC Detachment One.

Google search on these for more info, and operational parameters.

[adrenaline red 0]

And the USMC's ANGLICO.

[Harnu 0]

what's UDT?

Underwater Demolitions Team.

[monty67t 0]

Quote[/b] ]Green berets go into enemy territory and train local militias

U.S. Army Special Forces or "Green Berets do a hell of a lot more than that. It's true that they do alot of training of foreign forces, but that just scratched the surface of what they do. They slaughtered thousands of Taliban and Al Quida forces in Afghanistan for example. They do direct action, hostage rescue, anti-terrorism, sabotage, intelligence gathering, etc. Most of the U.S. Special Operations units can handle pretty much any situation. Another site you can check out is SpecialOperations.Com.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Well its the AI do not use important skills that most of these special operation units use. Repelling they still boldly stop enemy bullets with their chests. Granted there was an AI script that changed thier behavoir. And the enhancements in the EPC and WGL mods. Where you'll mostlikely see close quaters combat support acchived.

[Sgt. Stryker 0]

ANGLICO isnt SF they are just pretty much arty spotters. Marine Recon and Force Recon are very differnt so dont get them confused. AFAIK AGLICO is jsut part of some leg unit. FAST comany is a marine embassy force, they also do other things.

[ruff 102]

i thinl most sf forces or so forces do much of the same things with each 1 specialising in some operations

like dleta trhey specialise in hostage rescue and snatch but that doesnt mean they dont dio recovery missions

while seals also are good at hostage rescue and snatch operations they mostlikely specialise in maritme insertions and seek and destroy

i reckon all sf almost all the same thing but spercialise in one thing or another

[BoweryBaker 0]

it may be top secret information to know what determines who goes in. It may be who's closest to the area of operation. It may just be that you have like five, seven or eight organizations that all do that sort of thing and you just kinda pick a card.

[monty67t 0]

You can call me picky if you want but I would like to take this opportunity to set something straight. There is onle ONE unit in the United States Armed Forces known as "Special Forces". I always see everyone using "Special Forces" as a term to cover all "Special Operations" units. The only "Special Forces" are the U.S. Army Special Forces aka the "Green Berets". I am in the U.S. Army and I am a dick so I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Man, I feel a lot better now.

Monty

[redliner47 0]

not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets

[ruff 102]

true

seals are under special operations

while green berets are sf

thats why i used so and sf on my post

just had to type that

sorry

[monty67t 0]

Quote[/b] ]not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets

Negative sir. If you ask any actual U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, they will tell you. People have just made "Special Forces" a common term when it really only applies to the "Green Berets". For more on this read "Special Forces: A Guided Tour of U.S. Army Special Forces" by Tom Clancy or "Hunt for Bin Laden: Task Force Dagger" by Robin Moore.

Monty

EDIT: BTW I am currently serving. U.S. Army, Delta Co. 4/101st Aviation Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky

[Jinef 2]

Monty is right.

Special Forces in the US covers over 46,000 men. Now i'm sure they're special in their own little ways but quite honestly that's ridiculous to call them all special.

For Example the British SAS and SBS units are made up of around 300 active personnel each, so the British special forces are around 600 in force. Give or take a hundred.

A US ranger is basically like a British para, a brainwashed idiot who is very good at getting aggressive and killing people, the only difference is that the paras get given some DPMs and a gun that doesn't work.

Navy Seals are equivalent to SBS, they are special forces imo. Fighting from a marine environment requires a certain character and physical ability, plus a lot of training.

US Marines Recon units are kind of the like the Royal Marine Commandos. Again with shitloads more kit and personnel though.

The Green Berets and Delta force ... Well they both do the same sort of things, it's just one was home made and the other as trained has trained a lot with the SAS, considering my uncle was a cook in the green berets it sounds more like a way of getting funding, call yourselves special and people will like you and give you money.

I am now the special South Wales SAR unit, can you give me 8 HH-60s, 2 EH-101s and about 10 Nimrods.

[@cero 0]

I am now the special South Wales SAR unit, can you give me 8 HH-60s, 2 EH-101s and about 10 Nimrods.

LOL, have HQ in Newport.

Anyway, what do they "call" the STA marines, as far as I know they are in a class of their own compared to other marines, more like a Force recon, is it? or they just glorified marine snipers?

@CERO.

[FerretFangs 0]

Jinef, Delta, and the Green Berets are not the same thing, mate. Many members of Delta are ex-Green Berets, though. It is true they were based on the SAS. Delta is one of the most high end CQB, HRT, and direct action units in the entire world, not just the US military. Other units that mostly do the same thing would be the US Navy's DEVGRU, and the new USMC Detachment One. The Green Berets do many things, and do them well, but they are more like a SPECOPS jack of all trades. Teams like SFOD-D, and DEVGRU are specialists, selected from units like the Green Berets, and SEALs and focused to doing the hardest of missions, like hostage rescue, anti-terrorism direct actions, and VIP protection. They are literally the best of the best that the US military has to offer.

Now, what's even more interesting, is that the best men of Delta, and DEVGRU go on to serve in even more highly secret units, like the CIA's SAD, and other agencies such as DIA, and NSA. And the best men from these units..... Do whatever they want.

[ni-mh 0]

a bit off-topic but after using both Laser's and BAS's rangers and deltas, I noticed some significant differences between the two. So the question is, which ones are more accurate in representing the present deltas and rangers?

[@cero 0]

Well, they are two different tipes of delta uniforms, the ones made by Laser look more like a more modern CQB Delta.

I'm not an expert, but that's what it looks like.

Is some more Deltas around, they difere on the era they from, so that my be the case aswell.

Regards.

@CERO.

[ruff 102]

Quote[/b] ]not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets

Negative sir. If you ask any actual U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, they will tell you. People have just made "Special Forces" a common term when it really only applies to the "Green Berets". For more on this read "Special Forces: A Guided Tour of U.S. Army Special Forces" by Tom Clancy or "Hunt for Bin Laden: Task Force Dagger" by Robin Moore.

Monty

EDIT: BTW I am currently serving. U.S. Army, Delta Co. 4/101st Aviation Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky

read the book about sf by tom clancy

but it really makes u wonder if sf do anymore direct action missions using a six man team instead of a nice airstrike

[FerretFangs 0]

Of course they do, as long as it's not too dangerous for the team. It's much cheaper to destroy a bridge with a satchel charge than with a JDAM, and enemy air defense might be too great a threat to attempt an airstrike.  

Now if that bridge is protected by a motorized rifle company, and enemy air defenses consist of short-range, or light AA, that SPECOPS team might use a SOFLAM to designate the bridge and air defense units and let the Air Force and Navy CAS blow it to Hell and gone.  

What's most important, is to accomplish mission objectives and still bring your boys home to do it all again another day.