A tool to make odol explorer....

[toadlife 3]

Encryption isn't the right term. That would imply the the game is performing some sort of decryption.

I just opened up a pbo file with a hex editor and after three tries, managed to create a pbo which pbo decryptor was not able to read, yet OFP still was.

This is nothing but simple obfuscation going on here.

If you want to try and protect your work, then more power to you, but I think you are wasting your time.

[colonel_klink 0]

Toadlife

Quote[/b] ]If you want to try and protect your work, then more power to you, but I think you are wasting your time.

Agreed. I dont think this thread will serve any more purpose than the other. Instead of worrying, just be creative.

[benu 1]

Actually, it were the mod creators who started breaking the community into this "me versus you" thing, where there are the "good addon makers, that work hard and don't want fame or anything" and the "evil users that rip apart the addons to steal thema and pass them off as their own work". Although there never has been any stealing in the past, even when addons were not protected. But somewhere along the line the whole community was turned into thieves and liars, at least in the eyes of some addon makers. Now they want to start the next round by "encrypting" their addons.

I have only two things to say:

1) It's not possible. If the game can open and read them, then anyone else can too. Maybe the tools have to be modified too, but that will not take long. Take a good introduction course to cryptography or ask anyone who knows about that topic and you will see why.

2) If you want your addons "secure", then don't release them. Actually, i wish you did, then this calling the whole community liars and thieves had an end. If you really think so about the community, then please go away. Make addons for another game. I want the spirit of the community back, and you are poisoning it.

[T J 0]

I wouldn't bother with a tool either.

There is currently a file that you can include in a pbo which makes it unreadable by any of the PBO decryptors, but which only need simple hex editing to remove the "protection".

TBH I am sick of the endless bitching of the ignorant, who think that all the really good addons have come about through access to P3Edit etc. If these people would only try to learn the truth before spouting off.

(Im really looking forwards to all the super great wicked brilliant addons that will now be released by the dozen because people can now take apart Sigma's tanks, and DKM's Helicopters, and Earl & Sucheys Marines etc etc, BRING 'EM ON!!)

If you really wanted to make a tool, i'm sure that the WRPTOOL team would let you have the source code for ODOLEXplorer, after all, why wouldnt they?

But maybe you would be better to work out a way of preventing OFP online becoming the next CS or Delta Force, with a multiplicity of 'players' who will do anything and everything to gain an edge in MP games.

TJ

[Pathy 0]

I'm all for making a tool that will protect months of hard work.  Was checking to see if some of the military grade decryption programs would work, so if somebody did break it something more serious could be done to the hacker.  But better to devise a civilian one instead.  Besides if they can make a tool to open it freely then option for protection should also be allowed.  

Funny how its not fair anymore that a counter measure is being plotted and people are moaning foul ball now..  

Gotta love Karma...  

LOL right with you here.

Quote[/b] ]I don't push for the ethics issue, but learned leave out a rope somebody will eventually hang theselves with it. It be nice to have an option if avaible. Again somebody wants the model unencrytped they can bother contacting the author directly as well as botaining the needed permission to carry out the further deveoplment of said addon. Seems to be more of something wrong with actually asking for permision instead cheat and sneak around, or that fact wne one person gets involved with an addon they find it gone thought a dozen or so hands before it sees release. Very few folks can alone make a decent quality addon by themselves

Well said, whats the problem with ASKING FOR THE MLOD?

I see no problem with this tool at all. All it does is allows people who WANT to encrypt thier model to do so. Its not going to deny the people with ODOL explorer the chance to look around the existing models in the community, and alot of addon makers will release without encryption ANYWAY. But it just gives us the chance to protect those months of hard work if we want to.

And whats wrong with that?

I cant agree more with bobcatt, when he speaks in this thread from now on, he also speaks for me

Oh Benu, if you dont like the fact that we are attempting to protect all the hard work and effort we put in with no real reward, try to make something yourself. And where is this idea come from that the community is in addon makers eyes a bunch of thieves and liers? The arguments we've been putting up havent included that one..... Tj is right, open source addons isnt going to lead to a renaissance in addon making. Only the top addon makers can do that, and the rest, even if they can pick apart existing stuff, are still going to have to do alot of learning to get to that standard. It just isnt going to happen. So bring on a tool that lets us encrypt our stuff.

Oh and some dude called Hans Schmidt emailed me saying he could crack any encryption addon makers put on PBOs, then tried sending me an illegal cracker program so i could test it myself. Well Hans, if you want to start legal procedures, go right ahead and start breaking encryptions......

[KEREL 0]

People (read: addon studios) are only bitching about it because now everyone will have the ability to make great mods and not just themselves.  So what?  If someone decrypts one of BAS's models to see how they did it, then uses that to help them make their own, so much the better.  We all benefit when everyone knows more about how to model and make configs and such.

So, addon studios like BAS will no longer have the only uber-leet mods.  Get over it.  And if anyone does decrypt and actually use someone else's model in their own mod, it will be painfully obvious when it is released and then no one will host it because it was stolen.

(By the way, I'm new here.  Feel free to flame me until I'm nice and crispy.)  

Yeah you right it looks like BAS is getting competition and BAS is not like that (it seems). BAS has learned it also from BIS and now people want to see their work and they say no. Kinda strange from BAS   Common where is the also great BAS with glance  

And welcome to the forums dharbert  

[Pathy 0]

Kerel i take it you dont know any of the BAS members, ever spoken to them, talked about how things are going with them?

BAS have always had competition, and from talking to them, i dont think they care They arent in it to be the best....and nobody really minds if they arent, i wouldnt mind, because i know the standard of addons being produced to beat BAS would have to be awesome, hence better for the community as a whole.....

Dharbert, i will bet that you have never made a model, a texture, a config or a script. If you think that the release of one tool makes you an "Uber_super_duper_ultra_L337_modeller", you are mistaken,(PS, leet is for Counterstrike, OFP guys dont appreciate it, so i wouldnt use that term again.) you would still need to learn O2, and the previous learning resources are STILL better than ODOL explorer. So its not going to be any easier and there arent going to be any more "Uber_ultra_super_leet" modellers. You have said yourself that people arent going to steal, so, the same old process of making addons still exists.

Everyone knows how BAS have done thier addons already. But that doesnt mean its any more easy to make a texture the quality of BAS textures (textures being BAS' main strength), or a script that works as well as a BAS script....Just because you know what they did, doesnt mean you can equal it.

Thats like saying, "i watched the Male 100 meter sprint at the Olympics, so now i can run as fast as those people, whereas when those guys were training and i didnt see them, i couldnt run as fast....."....yes thats right, its utter bollocks.

[EiZei 0]

If a human made it a human can crack it. Theres my 2 cents.

Not to mention the fact that the application should make the models compatible with OFP without replacing executables and so forth. Remind me to give you a dancing banana if you actually succeed making a protection that is not cracked and works without stupid hacks.

[benu 1]

I'm all for making a tool that will protect months of hard work. Was checking to see if some of the military grade decryption programs would work, so if somebody did break it something more serious could be done to the hacker. But better to devise a civilian one instead. Besides if they can make a tool to open it freely then option for protection should also be allowed.

Funny how its not fair anymore that a counter measure is being plotted and people are moaning foul ball now..

Gotta love Karma...

LOL right with you here.

LOL. Only reading "military grade decryption" made me laugh. The poster obviously hasn't got a clue about computer security. Sorry, but a few buzzwords don't make security.

Quote[/b] ]Well said, whats the problem with ASKING FOR THE MLOD?

No problem at all, this is what i would if i wanted to get some mlods.

Quote[/b] ]I see no problem with this tool at all. All it does is allows people who WANT to encrypt thier model to do so. Its not going to deny the people with ODOL explorer the chance to look around the existing models in the community, and alot of addon makers will release without encryption ANYWAY. But it just gives us the chance to protect those months of hard work if we want to.

And whats wrong with that?

1) your hard work is protected by international copyright laws.

2) your encryption stuff will not work

3) just wanting a tool like this shows how much you disrespect the community of ofp players

Quote[/b] ]Oh Benu, if you dont like the fact that we are attempting to protect all the hard work

Where do you get that from? Actually, if anyone would rip off your addons you had my full support in fighting it. All rights to the addon maker.

What i don't like is your disrespect to all users, who are apparently good enough to admire your addons (or why do you publish them?), but not good enough to learn from them (or why do you want to encrypt them?).

Quote[/b] ]and effort we put in with no real reward, try to make something yourself. And where is this idea come from that the community is in addon makers eyes a bunch of thieves and liers? The arguments we've been putting up havent included that one.....

You are saying it all the time. Whom do want to protect your addons from? If all people in the community were honest (in your opinion) there would be no need for encryption. Except you also wanted to prevent people from just looking and learning from your models. So you are actually saying that without this encryption the community would steal your addons. This distrust was apparent from several mod teams in the last weeks, and afaik this was not present in ofp community before. And afaik there is no reason for this distrust, nothing happened that could be a justified cause for this thinking.

Quote[/b] ]Tj is right, open source addons isnt going to lead to a renaissance in addon making. Only the top addon makers can do that, and the rest, even if they can pick apart existing stuff, are still going to have to do alot of learning to get to that standard. It just isnt going to happen. So bring on a tool that lets us encrypt our stuff.

I never said anything to the contrary. Addon making takes so much skill and effort that the odol converter will be useless to most people. It will not bring a flood of new and good addons to the community. I think nobody ever believed that. I even think nobody ever said that, though i could be wrong.

Nevertheless it is a useful tool for some, very useful even. And for legitimate purposes.

Some infos for you:

1) I don't make addons. I only use them. I give a rats ass about encrypted addons. I couldn't care less. If i would start to make models i would ask the maker before releasing anything, because i respect his work.

2) You did learn everything from somewhere too. BIS models, Tutorials, infos from other modders, testing yourself, i don't care. But all of a sudden it is all your work. But all of a sudden other people aren't good enough to do the same to your addons. I can only believe how low you must rate bis, as their addons must be inferior to yours by far, cause people are allowed to look at those but not at yours. Although this argument goes more to TJ who said he would freely give away BIS models to everyone, but who objects to other modders addons being "given away".

Quote[/b] ]Oh and some dude called Hans Schmidt emailed me saying he could crack any encryption addon makers put on PBOs, then tried sending me an illegal cracker program so i could test it myself. Well Hans, if you want to start legal procedures, go right ahead and start breaking encryptions......

What would be illegal about it? DMCA? Laws are different in most countries of the world. They would be copyrighted too without encryption, and people who don't care about copyrights don't care about encryption either.

The point you don't seem to get is: it is all about respect. Your discrimination and prejudice against the community shows your disrepect for this community. And with you i mean all people who were against the odol converter and especially those now planning to "encrypt" their addons. And i guess a good part of the community does not understand why you want to limit their possibilities to look at addons or toy around with them in private, just because you disrepect them. And many just don't like being called a thief.

Actually, this discussion is getting boring, there are no new arguments coming up it seems, and there seem to be too many people that are not willing to carefully read and think about the arguments of the other side or change their mind even if they are out of arguments. Hell, if you had good arguments like past model stealing by large amounts i might change my mind. But actually, there are laws protecting your work. Sue the hell out of those thieves. But don't go around and call everyone a thief.

I wish you no ill, maybe we will read about your cool new encryion tool soon, and further down the road we will see how long the protection held, and how it did effect the community. I just hope for the best for the community. I believe the community will regulate itself anyway.

[pzvg 0]

The funny thing is,

Y'all don't get it,

What if someone DOES rip off your model?

BFD, did you lose your TALENT? your model was already public, people have seen it,used it, and are aware of how good you are.

So your next release<that can't be "stolen" because no one's seen it yet> will STILL be raved over.

You really need to step back and reassess your priorities,

To "help" you in this, consider this,

if you put some kind of obscure CODE in your model, I won't ever download your work, not because I'm a "lowlife,no talent thief" but because I don't KNOW what that code is, encryption? might be, could be a spiteful modder burying a computer virus in his model too.

You do the community harm with this crap, stop it, now.

[Acecombat 0]

May i suggest banging your heads against the wall to extract better results ? Because this debate is useless the 'i want encryption' party is too obsessed to notice what they really are doing or what the others are saying.

[miles teg 1]

I agree with Acecombat.... all this is just creating alot of bad blood in the OFP community.  

What I'm afraid now is that when I go to any big MOD team for permission to use one of their unbinarized addons, they'll say "no" because they remember me as a supporter of OLOD Explorer.  

It's very sad.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Pathy 0]

Benu im glad you are showing SOME understanding but you are still misunderstanding the jist of what im trying to say. Incase i wasnt very clear, i will try and be clear now,

The point of asking for the MLODS is, there was never any need for a save function, and hence there will be no problem with some sort of protection, if people are willing to email for MLODS and respect the addon makers decision. All protection does, and all it needs to do IMO, is make people ASK for permission.

I am not worried about someone stealing anything ive made, as its not all that good for a start, and i DO trust the majority of users anyway.

Quote[/b] ]1) your hard work is protected by international copyright laws.

2) your encryption stuff will not work

3) just wanting a tool like this shows how much you disrespect the community of ofp players

1) yes

2)probably, but it will force MOST people to email for permission (and MLOD)

3) How so? Because i want to be able to regulate my work? Thats not mistrust or disrespect, if people want the MLOD and email for it i will be happy to give it to them provided they state the reason they want it and respect my decision.

All rights to the addon maker? Discluding the right to decide what we do with our addon?

I know the community wont tolerate stealing but i'd still like THE OPTION.

Where did you get the impression i dont want people to learn off my addons? Cmon open your eyes, there are LOADS of learning resources out there, and tbh mine arent anything special, the only ever learning request ive had was someone who wanted to see how i configged a Crossbow i made ages ago, i gave him the whole model folder to look at.....

AS IVE SAID ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE LAST 3 DAYS, IF SOMEONE ASKS FOR THE MODEL I WILL (as long as its not something still under development) GIVE IT TO THEM! how is that against learning? Where are you coming up with this crap from?

The "Tj was right bit" wasnt talking to you, so im ignoring anything you said to that, as its irrelevant, although im glad you agree. Dharbert actually said something like that actually, go back and read his post, then you will be aware of someone whos said that

Right, now onto the "info for you"

1) Glad to hear it

2)Yes and i learnt from tutes. Soley. These are still the best way of learning, its not about not letting people look at my addons to learn, i never said that, its about tutes STILL being the best way of learning. Obviously you only skim read my post, because i cleary layed this one out. If not, here it is, people can look at my addons to learn if they like, but that ONLY tells them that something was done, not HOW. Tutes, are still the best way. They tell you HOW.

Dont bring TJ's comments into my post, i never argued BIS models should be given out but no-one elses. What i do argue is HOW MANY EXAMPLES OF ONE TYPE OF THING DO YOU NEED? Do you need every unit model ever made to see how units are made, or arent the BIS demo soldiers enough for you? Its not that BIS models are inferior, infact, they are the ones people should learn from because in many ways they are the definative guide to how to make a particular model!

I really dont know where you got most of the stuff in 2), i guess you got carried away.....

The legal stuff....oh so now my international copyright means nothing? Great!

Now you got carried away again, a little over the top here:

Quote[/b] ]The point you don't seem to get is: it is all about respect. Your discrimination and prejudice against the community shows your disrepect for this community. And with you i mean all people who were against the odol converter and especially those now planning to "encrypt" their addons. And i guess a good part of the community does not understand why you want to limit their possibilities to look at addons or toy around with them in private, just because you disrepect them. And many just don't like being called a thief.

Ermm where did i discrimate and prejudice the community? IS wanting to protect an addon so i can make a future update (in which, may i add, when the addon is final, i can make it open source) discrimination? Is it prejudging anyone? No its making sure that i can continue my update without having to worry about my update being obsolete by the time i come to release it!

And where did we call them thieves? Quote the line i called anyone a thief in please. You cant, because ive said several times its not the threat of stealing that bugs me because i know the community regulates itself.

WHere is the "disrespect" angle coming from also? The only disrespect i see here is people who cant make addons themselves thinking its thier right to force addon makers into releasing open source.....i dont think anyone is too lowly to view anything ive made, but a request of permission would be nice, you know, it was real nice when i recieved the request to look at that Xbow i made an age ago, it was like, actually, someone DID download that addon and actually does want to look at it. But if people dont need to send that mail (and lets face it, its hardly hard to write an email), i would have never known, eh?

Quote[/b] ]there seem to be too many people that are not willing to carefully read and think about the arguments of the other side or change their mind even if they are out of arguments.

Yeh i agree with you there, only im on the opposite side....seems nobody, even you, read my post carefully....maybe i just wasnt clear....

Quote[/b] ]But don't go around and call everyone a thief.

Ok again, i resent this accusation, i doubt that anyone on this forum would nick anything ive made, and as i said before, im not that good anyway

Oh this just makes me chuckle

Quote[/b] ]This distrust was apparent from several mod teams in the last weeks, and afaik this was not present in ofp community before. And afaik there is no reason for this distrust, nothing happened that could be a justified cause for this thinking.

....ever lead a mod team and try and negotiate a deal with another team? We are the most distrusting bunch of....

Anyway, im just annoyed that you have come to several conclusions on me i consider unfounded, but, i am glad you are approaching this discussion more openly than most. and i dont wish to get into a shit flinging contest with you.

At the end of the day, its a game, and i shall continue making whatever.....only rather than releasing a demo or Beta of work, you will just have to wait for finished product....which isnt always a bad thing eh, ensures everything complete

[Pathy 0]

I agree with Acecombat.... all this is just creating alot of bad blood in the OFP community.  

What I'm afraid now is that when I go to any big MOD team for permission to use one of their unbinarized addons, they'll say "no" because they remember me as a supporter of OLOD Explorer.  

It's very sad.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

Why would you need permission for the MLOD, youll have ODOL Explorer!

Only joking, (although if you take the acecombat approach you assume all mods by default will say yes and not bother mailing) but i dont think any big mods will deny you access. Certainly not Nightstalker, although we are a small mod.:;): to quote from the film Dusk till Dawn....."i may be an asshole.....but im not a fucking asshole"....similar for us, we may be against the tool, but we aren't against the community.

Infact, most people with a similar view to me (at least this is why i have my veiw) are arguing against the tool because we feel it HARMS the community, not helps.......believe me, anything us "anti Odols" say, we are merely looking out for the community, you may not agree that we are helping, but WE think we are. Just as you think the same about how good ODOL explorer is for the community.....

It is sad, but, as far as im concerned, this is the fault of the WRPedit tool who took a decision for the whole community without any consultation. A little thought, maybe a discussion before hand.....

[Pathy 0]

Double post, whoops

[benu 1]

*sigh* I guess i have too much time today

First, this has so far been the "best" post i read from in this discussion.

There are many different opinions and statements going on in these two threads, and it's getting a little chaotic. So lets try to solve it bit by bit. If i forgot something you can always ask of course.

1: if really anybody who asked gets your mlods, then why is this odol converter so evil? They get what they would have gotten anyway, but without having to ask you. Imagine people that want to start modelling, don't have a clue, that just want to tinker with some addons to see if they can get a hang of it. Would you be willing to send thousands of them your addon by email? What is really important about that asking for permission when they do not want to do anything that effects you and your work anyway? They are not going to publish it (else they are in big trouble because of copyright anyway). They are just trying to learn. Maybe they do not yet know which addon may help them, they would have to ask dozens of modmakers and get lots of big mails. And those modmakers would have to answer all those requests or leave those people out in the rain. I don't really think that really everybody would get the mlods for you as you act so secretive and protective about your addons, but this is only assuming on my behalf and i don't want to call you a liar. Long explanation, short question: what exactly is so important about asking to use the model for private educational purposes only? This leads to another question which would sum this all up: what do you want to prevent people from doing with your addons (by either encrypting them or optimizing them with binarize)? That's the main question of the whole discussion in my eyes.

2) Addon makers deciding what do with addons: nobody forced you to publish it. If you publish it people can use it to the extent of their laws, eg selling them as their own would be punishable by law. You want them to only use them in missions, not look at them or modifiy them. I can understand that. Although this has been possible for missions and scripts before and none of the missionmakers and scripter made a big issue out of it before. And maybe this finer granting of rights has been possible to some extent due to odol modells before. And now it is not. Does this give you a right? Juristically? Differs from country to country. Ethically? Differs from person to person. I guess that's the other point that the discussion is really about.

3) Learning: you too seem to be of the opinion that you have the ability to decide how other people learn best. That's funny, actually, cause no member of the "other side" had to make any claims about the opinions and abilities of other people to make his point. I think we should stick to facts and not base our arguments on something we believe to know about other people. Especially when those other people say openly that they are not the way you see them. This seems to be a sidepoint though.

4) Thieves: you never literally said it. I am not sure if anyone did. This is just one of the "metaphors" i use for the distrust i have seen from addon makers towards the community. Come on, answer the first two questions and tell me what exactly you are afraid of when your models can be converted to mlod. If it is not theft or learning then what else it it? Maybe i am too uninmaginative to think of it, but by wanting to protect your addons against this thing, you are implying that the community as a whole would do such a thing to your addon against your will. Whatever it is, you are implying that the community knows you do not want this done to your addons and that they will do it nevertheless. You tell that you distrust the community. I guess any term is as good as another for this distrustful thinking.

5) encryption: normally you want to encrypt stuff (to protect it) and decrypt it (else you could just have deleted it). Regardless of encryption algorith you need a decryption key. Your encryption is only as good as this key. If i encrypt stuff with 4096 bit aes and give everybody the key then it is not secure as anyone can decrypt it. Regardless of how you encrypt your addons, ofp has to be able to decrypt it or those addons will not work ingame. So your "master key" is public, everyone has it, everyone can look. Your encrypted addon is only as secure as this "key" is and this "key" by looking at ofps pbo loading routine. In other words: it only needs one tool. This tool will be able to decrypt your addons regardless of which encryption you will use. Anything you can do is obfuscating, which will be easy to reverse in any case.

Do yourself a favour and stop this futile attempt at encrypting and invest that time in some good modelling tutorials instead. Or read your mails and send out some mlods to people that have asked in the last days

[Pathy 0]

I am glad we are finally getting away from the screaming match, at least i can discuss this rationally with you Benu.

So here we go.

1) Anybody can get my MLODs, but its nice to know whos doing what with them. Why? Well as stupid as it sounds i'd like to know if someone is learning off an MLOD (and they can do if they ask for it) i made, or someone is basing thier addon on mine. I guess its pride ok. Pride is a sin, but we all have it non the less. Without people emailing you for your MLODS, you dont know whats going on. Also, im too soft, you get people who say, ive retextured your xxxx, can i release it please? And as an addon maker you feel like an asshole saying no, because you know what texturing is like! So making them get the MLOD off you before they get the chance to start that would stop this from happening!

And i have only ever recieved 3 emails asking for use of something ive made. Either thats because im crap, or its because actually not many people need to request MLODs.

2)A thought that came to my mind as you said all that was compatability with missions.....so everyone has personalised thier Delta/Ranger pack ok.....now a mission designer doesnt know just how his missions will play on others PC's. Not really related to any points already raised, but interesting to consider all the same. I know that the slightest change in units can alter the feel/workings of a mission no end.

3)As for learning, BIS models cover all you need to know AFAIK. And anyone trying to do something more advanced than was done in the BIS models is talented enough not to need any reference models!

Still, can you deny that a tute that tells you HOW to do something is better than looking an an ODOL and seeing something was done but not knowing how? (and adding a temptation to copy paste straight off )

What am i afraid of? I have answered this. Maybe this lies in my own insecurities as an addon maker, but, if i release something at version 1.0. and plan some updates and reskins in future, by the time i release my updates, they will be obsolete. This doesnt even need to be taken in the stealing context. Say you edit something i make for your own use. You edit it so much that when i release my update, you dont want it because you dont want to overwrite your own personal version because its personallised/ better than the update!

4) Read what you will, i think the above answers any points i have made into it. One thing i will add is i previously pointed out that i have nothing to fear from thievery. However, the term "one bad apple spoils the bunch" may be put to good use. With the number of addons being churned out it could be hard to spot all the knock offs. Sure, things like Sucheys marines, your not gonna mistake a copy of those, but some other minor models, its still someones work......and they have feelings about it....still, im only hypothesising.

5) unfortunately you may be right. What can be made can be broken. As with all things in life, there is nothing that can be made that cant be broken eventually. The downside (or upside depending on your stance) is crackers seem to take less work to make than encryptors!

Well i have written a tute on texturing weapons using Photoshop 7 and above myself, but since i posted it up on OFPEC and asked people what they thought, was i clear, ect, i have had ZERO responces, so i may well just scrap my attempt at making texturing tutorials.. ...nobody seems to care....

[SNIPER_SKULL 0]

WTF are you guys doing i made the topic on getting a new tool going NOT a fucking chat on odol explorer

MOD lock my topic

[Pathy 0]

Sorry mate, i think we are gonna have to accept that any tool we make someone is gonna decide that its in the communities interest to crack it...

[SNIPER_SKULL 0]

Sorry mate, i think we are gonna have to accept that any tool we make someone is gonna decide that its in the communities interest to crack it...

yeah i know

[drow 0]

Releasing it would just destroy the community even more.

Addons have to stay open source. I hope nobody will ever create/release another encryption tool. If your work is so valuable that you have to lock, hide, protect and encrypt it, then you shouldnt release it at all.

I aggree with this guy

[cbfasi 4]

I see why some want encyption, and I sometimes think that way espeically when relating to my ships but......

I also see that if I stop others seeing just how I did some of the features and experimenting to see what happens when minor changes are made that nothing significant would be learnt.

I have in the past opened up others models and literally modified them and tested in game to see what affect my modifacations made.  I learnt alot about guns and passed this onto my ARA Guerrico which upto that point had soem rather annoying bugs.  If that model had been an odel I would not have been able to learn that way and that Guerrice of mine may well of sat on my hardrive at a mush lower stage than it is now.

If soemone contacted me and told me they had modified one of my vessels I would ask to see it, and then likely let them release if they wanted as long as they gave me credit for the original.  They are many addon makers who are good at modification and adding further details, why stop this advancement of the game by not allowing them to experiment with a 'working' addon.

Yes many addon makers would share but its all a matter of time.  If I see soemthign that I think I can improve, I would attempt the improvment before goign any further, if it fails I lose nothings also the originaotor lose's nothing, but if I succeed I would be bound by international law to contact the orginator before release.  They might like it, they might not, but if they dont I cant go any further.

Although binarize is not intentionally an encyption tool its use put me back 6 months when i accidently overwrote my mlod files with the olod ones (yep my stupid error!!), now I am no longer worried, but if encrypted I would expect to be able to decypt my own work which puts us back into - not worth it- as all would have same encypt/decrypt.

I would be quite honoured if someone thought my work was good enough to use as a basis for an update or even a re-texture

[Pathy 0]

Me and Mr Sniper Skull have a solution. We will simply attach licensing to our work.

For example

"by downloading this addon you hereby agree not to edit the content without obtaining prior permission from the author. In the event of breach of this licence you will be liable to have legal action taken against you for breach of international copyright law"

Of course that will be improved upon, but, yeh.....if you accept the license you have to do what it says. Fair enough huh.

[cbfasi 4]

The question here is if soemone approaced you and said they had modifed something of yours, would you say....

Sorry you shouldn't of done that and go ahead with the sue

or actaully check what they done and assess if what they have done good?

[Pathy 0]

In that case they should have approached me before hand, and i PROBABLY would assess what theyve done and either turn it down flatly (without legal action) or let them release it. But thats up to me, and they run the risk of contacting me on a bad day    However, if someone just released something without getting any permission, thats a breach of my copyright, and unless i fall in love with thier work......???

Really they should read the license (can we make any way to get it to automatically display??, my solution was gonna be to post this on the same page as the download.....) and read that they need prior permission to edit it.

Besides i think most people here will respect a license agreement....