EiZei 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Al Quaeda, or a combination of both, will be quickly found and punished for their cowardly acts. Basques and Al-Qaeda cooperating? Bit too far out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Quote[/b] ]Ruperez, who was kidnapped by ETA in 1979, admitted there was "no smoking gun" linking Al Qaeda with ETA, but added that "at the end of the day," terrorist organizations "tend to share the same sympathies ... the same aims." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113970,00.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Al Quaeda, or a combination of both, will be quickly found and punished for their cowardly acts. Basques and Al-Qaeda cooperating? Bit too far out? Once upon a time, a man whose surname was Kadhafi helped arming and funding small groups of individuals wanting to open summer camps and play around with fireworks .... ETA was apart of those. Who knows to which devil a man can sell his soul..... (Kadhafi isn't a Walt Disney character, eventhough he's quite popular these days with western governments) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted March 11, 2004 I don't know which would be worse, ETA or AQ. In the ETA case, chances are much bigger that the guilty party can be caught and that the whole network can be destroyed. On the other hand I have a much more difficult time understanding the reasons that ETA could have of mass-murdering civilians at random. Furthermore I was hoping that the war in Yugoslavia would be the end of Europeans killing Europeans for at least a while. We've done it so much through history, a change would be nice. The AQ version on the other hand would mean that it is much more difficult to bring the guilty to justice. Also, then it's not an attack on Spain, but an attack on Europe and could easily be repeated in any other European country. It would however be more easy to understand the motivation behind it (ideology, revenge, religious fanaticism...). The AQ version is probably worse overall. If it's ETA, it's an internal problem that can be dealt with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Al Qaeda may kill 10,000 innocent people.... may be 50,000.. Thing is... we are still existant... we are still here... If we ignore the fact that they're "Jihad"iting us as much as possible, the "bully" will STFU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted March 11, 2004 leaving Coranic tapes and detonators on a crimescene is somewhat ... amateurist behaviour ... Could be an ETA cover-up ... The ETA version can't be ruled out ... the movement recruits more and more young people, some of them living in a cult of violence and not knowing anything else. Vigipirate dispositive will be lowered to orange tomorow morning and intensive controls are operated on the Spanish border since this morning here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Al Qaeda may kill 10,000 innocent people.... may be 50,000..Thing is... we are still existant... we are still here... If we ignore the fact that they're "Jihad"iting us as much as possible, the "bully" will STFU. You're right, but it would be better if nobdoy died don't you think so ? that's why some security measures have to be enforced and extensive investigations led. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Economy man!!! I'm talking about the re-flourishing European economy, my Frenchy Euro-m8e! I know it is kind of harsh what I'm saying, but if our economy stays unharmed from this bloodshed... Terrorism is nothing more than a splinter in your butt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted March 11, 2004 I know it is kind of harsh what I'm saying, but if our economy stays unharmed from this bloodshed... Terrorism is nothing more than a splinter in your butt. On an absolute dehumanized way, yes. Fortunately we have evolved beyond state-driven absolutism into a more humane system. The suffering of the families are considered. The issue of feeling "safe" is there too. It may be irrational, but it's human and it's there. And therefor it becomes relevant for the system as whole. Look how the stock markets across Europe reacted to this news. If you want an absurd example, take the infamous washington sniper. He killed something like 10-15 people within a period of a couple of weeks or so. The probability for a person living in Washington DC getting killed by the sniper were incredibly small. Still, people, being humans were afraid. As an ironic consequence people stayed indoors and overall fewer people got killed in Washington DC during that period. Silly as it may be, it's how we humans work. And it's therefor important to take action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted March 11, 2004 leaving Coranic tapes and detonators on a crimescene is somewhat ... amateurist behaviour ...Could be an ETA cover-up ... The ETA version can't be ruled out ... the movement recruits more and more young people, some of them living in a cult of violence and not knowing anything else. Indeed, a organisation capable of planning a large number of simultanious attacks like this on multiple trains and then forgetting to take out the qurans? And why would someone carry a quran with him in the rucksack that carried the bomb? He wants something to read on the train? It seems to easy and convenient. It might be al qaeda but i wouldnt want to rule out ETA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted March 11, 2004 Why do I still see ETA in these posts? What have you people been smoking? Seriously, so far it smells and looks like Al Qaeda, so.... no amount of discussion is going to change facts. Until there is some other proof, it was Al Qaeda. EDIT: Need I remind anyone that Spain took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq? And this could be a revenge, payback. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pathy 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Hmm there is no solid proof either way, but just because there is a terrorist attack doesnt mean its automatically Al-Queda or even has links with that group.....does it not occur to you that its awfully convenient to place blame on AQ though.....nothing like a horrendus attack to get support for the war against terror...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raedor 8 Posted March 11, 2004 did somebody mention, that 9/11 is in exact half a year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Hmm there is no solid proof either way, but just because there is a terrorist attack doesnt mean its automatically Al-Queda or even has links with that group.....does it not occur to you that its awfully convenient to place blame on AQ though.....nothing like a horrendus attack to get support for the war against terror...... Al Qaeda claimed the attack... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted March 11, 2004 One good guidline is that politically motivated groups generally claim responsibility for their actions. Without doing so it would be pointless to do it in the first place. ETA is such a group. Groups like AQ on the other hand that are mainly interested in the disruption of the society seldom bother to officially claim responsibility for their attacks. While I won't rule ETA or some splinter group of ETA, I'm more inclined to belive that a third party was involved. AQ or not remains to be seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Al Qaeda claimed the attack... Not quite. An Arabic newspaper reported that its sources reported that AQ was behind it. Not excatly hard evidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pathy 0 Posted March 11, 2004 Hard evidence or not, i have a feeling that Al queda will cop the blame for this one.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 11, 2004 I really doubt ETA is behind this. Seriously, they're IMHO the least likely suspect. This wasn't a government/military target, they will only loose what little public support they have, and they generally like to take credit for their operations and as has been mentioned here many times, even give advance warning. Maybe it's an ETA splinter group who thought their colleagues were getting too soft....or al Quaeda maybe.....but who knows? there might always be something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted March 11, 2004 i just heard that spanish police have found a van w/ explosive denonators, and a koran in arabic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pathy 0 Posted March 11, 2004 ever get the feeling things are too obvious to be true?  If you were an islamic fundamentalist group, would you leave a copy of your holy book in a van full of explosives to blow up  <edit> life has taught me to be cynical...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted March 11, 2004 i don't see why they wouldn't, these terrorists like to think of them selfs as "holy warriors" after all. didn't the 9/11 hijackers rehearse parts of the koran? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted March 11, 2004 ATTENTION new terrorist tactic: blow shit up and confuse everyone as to who did it, make sure they don't know it's you because that would make sense not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanctuary 19 Posted March 11, 2004 ever get the feeling things are too obvious to be true?  If you were an islamic fundamentalist group, would you leave a copy of your holy book in a van full of explosives to blow up  <edit> life has taught me to be cynical...... I do not expect people like this kind of AQ fundamentalist terrorists to care about their own holy book. For the simple reason that they do not care about something considered as sacred in every of the 3 religions of the same God : the "life" (as it is the creation of God in their religion and for the 2 other religions following the same God) . Whatever is their own life or the life of another one, they do not respect it. And , as by this they already spit on one of the teaching of the religion they claimed to follow, teached on their holy book : there is no reason that they will care of their holy book. But that said, it is true that ETA explosives has been found several time by anti terrorists polices , and it is true that ETA have stolen weapons and explosives from some arsenal. I think that the analysis of the explosives used on that horrible attack will help a lot to find the real responsible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
