Sad day for swedes

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

Stop the refugee immigration, kick out all criminal immigrants, and give the money saved there to the defence forces and the police. Many problems solved.

hehe, that's the plan... Now, where did I leave my shotgun?

In the Netherland we also have to deal with major cutbacks. We sold/sell 10 of our ships, close one major airforce base and get rid of 12700 men (that's a lot for a small country as the netherlands). We already have a proffecional army, so all the people kicked out, are volenteres (spelling?). It's time the econemy will get better and we got to get ourself a major war to wake up the politicians that we really need the military (and let no **** try to say otherwize)

[JAP 2]

Guess all countries must see military funding more as a whole of Europe ( filling eachother in ) that you can always rely on the other countries to support incase of an invasion.  That way spreading the costs of military units over the whole of Europe.

Yeah. In practice it means handing the keys to your border to the Germans   No but seriously, what I see as the only possible development is a future common European defence where countries will contribute according to the size of their population. In practice it will mean that France, Germany and the UK will shoulder most of that responsibility.

Except for maybe Luxemburg we got about the weakest army in Europe i think, we re also the second smallest country ( with numbers 1 & 2 in Women's tennis i might add !!! ) but i m sure our forces put in their part in all the peacekeeping tasks all over the world.

I think in the next decade this will be the most tasks ( peacekeeping ) that will be performed by any of Europe's countries abroad.

Cutting conscript costs ( cause you cant let conscripts do "real" tasks ) will only benefit Sweden's army i think.

1 : I think it s safe to say about 70-80% of the conscripts are there against their will and because they have to. So where s the motivation in that and what do they learn ... yes the basics, but that s about it.

2 : Better trained and professional troops.

3 : Smaller better managable army.

Instead of quantity you get quality. Hell, put 1 small 10 man Jaeger squad against 50 of conscripts ... what will be the outcome ?

On the downside, and that s what we re experiencing here is that the average age of the armed forces goes up. We have problems finding young officers atm.

About relying on the bigger nations inside Europe is seeing it wrong i think. Every country should be able to protect itself. Covering all defensive tasks on it s own. What i meant is that in case of a full scale invasion of your country it s safe to assume every other member will contribute in the defense of your homeland.

Sorry if there s some nonsence in this post, i m a complete Military noob. My only military experience is my conscript time and OFP hehe.

Cheers

[ran 0]

Except for maybe Luxemburg we got about the weakest army in Europe i think, we re also the second smallest country ( with numbers 1 & 2 in Women's tennis i might add !!! ) but i m sure our forces put in their part in all the peacekeeping tasks all over the world.

You make good frites and have Phillipe Geluck too

[the_shadow 0]

well, all (exept SSG) swedish units are conscripts (even the Coastal rangers and the paratroopers)

and still are among the best units in the world...

and the thing is, well have fewer conscripts but we don´t replace them with anyting... we actually will ba able to mobilize around 70 000 soldiers in case of war... and it would take atleast 1 week to mobilize more then the local defence (hemvärnet) wich consist of (if the sugestion gets true wich i think it will) 13000 men... not much for one of the biggest countrys in europe (land areal) although we only have about 9 million inhabitants...

this is truly the death stroke for the entire military...

and all thanks to Svenska Freds (swedish peace organisation) and the Lefthand party (think communists and you´re pretty close) along with the environmental party

[stgn 39]

You'll never take Denamrk - we'll just send Frandsen  

well I can aso use a M95 but since the conscription is goging to be 3 months my dreams of taking Norway, skĺne and southern Jylland(damm you germans) back may not come throu    

I think the left wing is destroying the defence of europe you know we are not gette more in europe and we can't have all our wealth for ever if we don't protect it.

STGN

[Messiah 2]

conscription - lol - got my letter at 18, told them to come get me - considering i live in the UK now and am in full time education - seems they don't care that much

[ran 0]

I think in the next decade this will be the most tasks ( peacekeeping ) that will be performed by any of Europe's countries abroad.

celebrating the 25th and 30th anniversaries of Philipe Geluck's Le Chat too just like your army did last year

[GoOB 0]

the Lefthand party (think communists and you´re pretty close) along with the environmental party

ROFL, yes Gudrun Schyman and Lars Ohly are like Stalin and Lenin in disguise! Although the later of the two does call himself a communist (Idiotic, communism is pretty much extinct. He has scocialistic beliefs and outlooks, but hardly a communist)

After having read up on this I am not sure what to think, I was against a European military union, similar to NATO but the perks are becoming more evident to me as I go along. Really what is the meaning of Sweden upholding their own military force? The only thing I have seen of the military (besides exercises et cerera) is when they and the firedepartment inderectly saved a house in wich we were living in during the heavy floods in Arvika (was it 2001?)

[bedlam 0]

the real reason behind the cuts are that theres no money left in swedens treasury to increasy the polititians.. salury and parties so they have to prioretice this time the army next time the hospitals!

polititians are the worst enemy for the swedish ppl .. gready fat bastards!

[iNeo 0]

The only thing I have seen of the military (besides exercises et cerera) is when they and the firedepartment inderectly saved a house in wich we were living in during the heavy floods in Arvika (was it 2001?)

That's what I'm saying:

Seriously...

The armed forces should be used for more than it is today, then dismantling wouldn't be necessary and we'd get a lot more for the money. They should be put in against riots, bank robbers etc, and used in more rescue operations.

It's time to forget about that incident in the 1930's that outlawed the use of military forces against riots. Using conscripts against riots together with the police would be so much more efficant and it would give them some training. And using conscripts for safety during international meetings and conferences in Sweden would be a lot cheaper than the use of police officers. Etc, etc. Damn it's such a waste.

[Blink Dog 0]

Here is what sweden can do. Build a city with a port and declare it a "free city". Then have it open to every crackpot who wants to buy or sell military weapons, upon entering the city have a flat tax of $1000 U.S to every person entering the city to fund your military. You can also use it to sell Swedish arms and keep the industries maintained inbetween domestic contracts. Heck I'd go there so I could get my hands on a good RPG or heavy machine gun, and I don't even like Sweden.

[InqWiper 0]

Quote[/b] ]We did the same mistake before WW2 so when the Germans started running around in Europe we had a very small military with obsolete weapons. And this was because after WW1 they said that there would be no more threats...

"The only thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history"

We cut down on the military, we cut down on the hospitals, we cut down on the schools, we cut down on everything and everyone is demanding more pay. Where the hell is all the money going??

[GoOB 0]

the real reason behind the cuts are that theres no money left in swedens treasury to increasy the polititians.. salury and parties so they have to prioretice this time the army next time the hospitals!

polititians are the worst enemy for the swedish ppl .. gready fat bastards!

Yes let us proclaim anarachy and march down the street wearing punkrock bracelets and waving satyr puppets decepiting Göran Persson in the air, afterall the politicians are the people hurting us!

Or we could just take the time to vote, and re-elect... The politicians are your choice and they do what they think is best for us.

And if you think the money for the army is falling into the hands of the politicians you have to get out more...

[stgn 39]

conscription - lol - got my letter at 18, told them to come get me - considering i live in the UK now and am in full time education - seems they don't care that much  

Maby you diden't read the papers you got cause if you are from denmark then you don't have to do military service if you live out of the contry.

STGN

[RaptoR-Swe 0]

so..   which regements will be put to sleep?,     and wich types of soldier trainings will be removed?,

every country needs a military force.

"keep an umberella incase it rains"

[the_shadow 0]

so..   which regements will be put to sleep?,     and wich types of soldier trainings will be removed?,

every country needs a military force.

   "keep an umberella incase it rains"

if you read the documents i linked to you eill find out... but as the supreme commander still have just left a proposition to the governement we have to see... the final desition won´t be taken untill september (although Riksdagen (translation of this??) gave their opinion about how much should be saved yesterday... dont know their answer though)

[Mister 5 0]

please don't quote pictures.

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Wow. Sweden/Finland has got to be the biggest geographical penis in the world. Much better than Florida, at least.

[Blink Dog 0]

Quite a foreskin.

[brgnorway 0]

Quite a foreskin.

lol - the circumcised bit would be Denmark

We'll take that back too as it is formed with sand from departed from norwegian land (it actually is)

[Blink Dog 0]

Sweden would not stand a chance against Finland. Remember the Finns often fought against overwhelming odds during the Russo finnish war, and managed to take alot of that territory back during WWII. Hell they were even involved in the siege of St Petersburg (Leningrad). Against Norway and Denmark you would have Nato crawling up your ass in no time. Now if you decided to invade Sealand you would prob stand a chance. And Sealand does exist.

[brgnorway 0]

Well, they can have Sweden for all I care. Nothing threre I'd like to get my hands on - except for the cheapo furniture flatpack industry. And a carindustry ownded by the yanks - swedish fords No, we must take Denmark back. It's our sand and they took it. Apart from that they have some lovely food there aswell. You tell me what culinary highs the swedes speak of?

No, Denmark it is!

[Longinius 1]

Quote[/b] ]Sweden would not stand a chance against Finland.

We beat them once. We can do it again

[the_shadow 0]

remember that historically Finland was part of sweden untill somewhere around mid or late 17th centyry and that Norway was in union with sweden till early 18th century ;)

finland we lost to the ruskies and Norway where just too week to really care if they left the union

but Denmark are one of the old evil enemies of sweden... Invade them ;) (so we can give the sand to the norwegians)

[brgnorway 0]

Quote[/b] ]Norway was in union with sweden till early 18th century ;)

You didn't conquer Norway - you were given Norway as compensation for Denmark supporting France during the napoleonic war. You only had us from 1814 - 1905.

Quote[/b] ]Norway where just too week to really care if they left the union

Sorry to disappoint you but Norway was about to mobilise in large scale and was at that time heavily militarised. The latest rifles such as Kraag Jřrgensen and cannons had been purchased from Krupps. Norway wanted war but the swedes were hesitant for a number of reasons. And let's face it - it would have been a bloody and costly campaign for you.

Quote[/b] ]but Denmark are one of the old evil enemies of sweden... Invade them ;) (so we can give the sand to the norwegians)

Thanks mate - appreciate it  

[EiZei 0]

But seriously, Swedish army equipment is much more superior than the equipment used by the FDF, we just have some eastern bloc loot and finlandization-era relics while the swedes get to ride Leo2A6ses.