Uk muslims want full apology from bbc host

[HotShot 0]

It can't be both because redneck yokels can't read.

The Sun has a reading age of 9 (fact), dont be so sure!

And SgtBarnes is right, he'll re-surface on 5 (not that that's much better then dying out)

[Heatseeker 0]

how about explaining to me atleast wtf does Limb amputation mean?  

I believe it could be related to an article about african muslim women who practice genital mutilation depriving themselfs of sexual pleasure and assuring fidelity to their husbands, otherwise they will never marry. Read an article about this, having many african imigrants here severall support offices have been made to prevent this inhuman behaviour from appening. The article clearly stated that this behaviour was not completely related to muslim religion but more of a social unfortunate enforced thing.

I believe part of all this discrimination is due to the irrational tendency of some individuals to relate uncivilised social behaviour with religion, in order to discriminate and generalise diferent cultures and religions, i find very unfortunate but on the other hand we (Euros) while not being perfect are very tolerant (considering the great amount of imigrants we have) and im sure that if we were a imigrant minority we would be treated much worse by populations of diferent ethnies and religions all over the world, im a bit upset about the bad image of Europe that is being constantly discussed here.

[jtec 0]

I think if you guys were to read a Muslim forum i had the chance to read then i guess your opinions would change drastically. I am not a racist and have friends not only white but African, Albanian and Chinese, but believe in freedom of speech and thats all he was doing. I was reading this muslim forum (which happens to be based in London) regarding all British and Americans as being the same as the Nazi's. They said of their reason for being in our countries as only using and abusing our free education and health systems and then going back to their own countrys after they had got all they needed. I know they aint all like that but i bet there are quite a few. If i can find the link i will paste it for you all to read up on and be as disgusted as i was.

[ralphwiggum 6]

i wonder if same thing will happen if some idiotic Arab commentator says something about western world being 'moral sewer' and useless barabrians.

certainly, the BBC commentator, given above text, needs to learn that generalization of any group risks such problem. on the other hand Arabs themselves need to understand that there is cultural difference, not only in their favor but in others too. cutting hands for stealing has been a fact(although i doubt if it is widespread), and some issues in women's rights are also questionable.

if Arab world wants to become a respectable members of the world they need to adreess their own internal discrepancies just like many of other nations. but covering their own discrepancies and acting as if they are morally superior will achieve nothing but adverse effect of having idiots like that BBC commentator.

[jtec 0]

I think the problem is nowadays people are either scared to say something, there are too many do-gooders that dont know what the hell they are talk about or just make something out of nothing. To tell the truth the only reason racism persists is due to the idiots that continue to feel abused by some silly name calling. I dont give a damn if anyone was to call me a white honkey or whatever they want to say as i really dont care about my colour/religion ect. The world is in a state because of simple minded people who are affected by either name calling or religion. It's pretty sad but just take a look at most of the news that has been happening around the world and you will realise what a terrible world we live in.

[Heatseeker 0]

i wonder if same thing will happen if some idiotic Arab commentator says something about western world being 'moral sewer' and useless barabrians.

Exactly, reverse the entire situation and imagine how many dont they also have there bashing our western society, religion, beliefs, lifestyle, etc. Generalization is indeed a very stupid thing to do. We are all victims here .

...and what the hell is my fat yellow cat doing in Ralph's avatar anyway ...

[Major Gripe 0]

how about explaining to me atleast wtf does Limb amputation mean?  

I believe it could be related to an article about african muslim women who practice genital mutilation depriving themselfs of sexual pleasure and assuring fidelity to their husbands, otherwise they will never marry.

I thought he was referring to punishments used in some Muslim countries for offences like theft, I believe, where the the perpetrator has their right hand amputated. This forces them to use their left to eat and the left is traditionally only used for wiping your ass, making that person unclean.

Also

This is what Kilkroy wrote and he then expects not be treated like this what a ^$%&

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He referred to how Arabs "murdered more than 3,000 civilians on 11 September" and then "danced in the streets" to celebrate.  

Yeah sure i was dancing come close and i'll even print the sole of that shoe on your face.

Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

[denoir 0]

i wonder if same thing will happen if some idiotic Arab commentator says something about western world being 'moral sewer' and useless barabrians.

certainly, the BBC commentator, given above text, needs to learn that generalization of any group risks such problem. on the other hand Arabs themselves need to understand that there is cultural difference, not only in their favor but in others too. cutting hands for stealing has been a fact(although i doubt if it is widespread), and some issues in women's rights are also questionable.

if Arab world wants to become a respectable members of the world they need to adreess their own internal discrepancies just like many of other nations. but covering their own discrepancies and acting as if they are morally superior will achieve nothing but adverse effect of having idiots like that BBC commentator.

There is a subtle but important difference. The BBC commentator's remarks are problematic not because their insensitivity towards Arab culture but because insensitivity of modern Western culture, which states that stereotyping people by race, nationality or religion is bad.

As for Arab commentators steroetyping on the basis of religion (or lack of), while it might be inappropriate in our system of values, in a society where religion is a very dominating factor, it might not be.

Our demands for tolerance are self-imposed and we can't very well demand of everybody else to follow it. That's the nice paradox of it. If we demand of others to be tolerant and liberal like we are then have broken our own rules of tolerance and liberalism.

That's where the conservatives and Christian fundamentalists come in. You see, if we were all so liberal and peace-loving pussies then everybody would kick our ass. If we on the other hand started attacking everybody, we would become very unpopular which is bad for business. So we have a brilliant solution - we talk about peace, love and understanding while we let our militants build nukes and drive tanks through other countries.

So the truth is, we need morons, bigots and militants to safeguard our culture, while we liberals can present a nice front.  

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

Hey gripe !

These images, or should I better say stills from a movie are taken from a palestinian celebration that had nothing to do with 9/11. Pics were shown on CNN 9/11 but were proven to be not related to 9/11.

Check google. Already handled in the appropriate 9/11 thread.

[ralphwiggum 6]

So the truth is, we need morons, bigots and militants to safeguard our culture, while we liberals can present a nice front.  

ah, the sad truth of humanity. oh what a pity that great minds are bogged down by morons.....

eh whatever, i'm going to Moes.

p.s. just missed rerun of the simpsons where Sideshow bob tries to kill Bart. ah crap!  

edit:

Bals,

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

Hey gripe !

These images, or should I better say stills from a movie are taken from a palestinian celebration that had nothing to do with 9/11. Pics were shown on CNN 9/11 but were proven to be not related to 9/11.

Check google. Already handled in the appropriate 9/11 thread.

So why are they still celebrating?

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

Hey gripe !

These images, or should I better say stills from a movie are taken from a palestinian celebration that had nothing to do with 9/11. Pics were shown on CNN 9/11 but were proven to be not related to 9/11.

Wrong!

Edit: Ralph beat me to to.

[MLF 0]

has anyone got a full copy of the article? because olot of what has been said are quotes no doubt said out of context.

[Bordoy 0]

I'm in full support of Kilroy. what he said is true about Arab regimes, yes regimes not arabics (thats what he said). He has alot of suppory, anyway most of the people against him are arabs so i aint surprised by that.

[DKM Jaguar 0]

I think that Kilroy was wrong to say what he did, and the BBC are right to disown him.

[Bordoy 0]

Well, i've just been wondering where does FREEDOM OF SPEECH come into this. No where, do u know why? because if it was reversed no one could give a sh*t.

BBC are wrong, anyone against him are wrong. If a far-right winger said what some political arab said, he would get arrested.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

I'm in full support of Kilroy. what he said is true about Arab regimes, yes regimes not arabics (thats what he said). He has alot of suppory, anyway most of the people against him are arabs so i aint surprised by that.

If he had said regimes, he would have a leg to stand on. But since he said "arabs", he doesn't.

http://www.blacknet.co.uk/Whats_N....1049842

Quick summary of quotes from his articles, you can clearly see how he used the "arab" label, rather than talk about their regime.

Get rid of this racist tosspot I say

It also has nothing to do with freedom of speech, he is working for the BBC, hence he has to be careful of what he says.

[denoir 0]

Well, i've just been wondering where does FREEDOM OF SPEECH come into this. No where, do u know why? because if it was reversed no one could give a sh*t.

BBC are wrong, anyone against him are wrong. If a far-right winger said what some political arab said, he would get arrested.

Racial hatred does not fall within the realms of freedom of speech, which is what he is being investigated for.

And so what if some Arab reporters are anti-western? Do they represent how you want the BBC reporters to be?

As I said earlier, the issue here is not just the insensitivity towards the Arabs, but because his trashing of our western values. Funny thing, he should call others 'uncivilized' as his statements are an example of uncivilized behaviour. The western ideals that he's supposed to represent are ideals of tolerance, respect and acceptance of diversity. And by his statements he betrayed those ideals.

And such people are the real threat to our culture - racists and bigots that corrupt it from within.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

Hey gripe !

These images, or should I better say stills from a movie are taken from a palestinian celebration that had nothing to do with 9/11. Pics were shown on CNN 9/11 but were proven to be not related to 9/11.

Wrong!

Edit: Ralph beat me to to.

What is that site i cant get in

Second even if a few palestnian celebrate so what there are racist mugs everywhere , what counts is keeping their ass'es err i mean mouths shut cause they maybe low in number but always 10x more vocal then a moderate person. Considering the palestinian situation and the way america has used their veto in the conflict against their interests and cause in the UN plus the military helps and billions in loan i can give take a few nonesiscal words from people living under severe psychological and pyhsical duress due to present circumstances.

In anyway rabid generalization is wrong but the point is atleast they had a issue on which they based their stupid ignorant behaviour on rather then just going in a tv station on the worlds well known media outlet and yapping racist comments.

[Major Gripe 0]

What is that site i cant get in  

Second even if a few palestnian celebrate so what there are racist mugs everywhere , what counts is keeping their ass'es err i mean mouths shut cause they maybe low in number but always 10x more vocal then a moderate person. Considering the palestinian situation and the way america has used their veto in the conflict against their interests and cause in the UN plus the military helps and billions in loan i can give take a few nonesiscal words from people living under severe psychological and pyhsical duress due to present circumstances.

In anyway rabid generalization is wrong but the point is atleast they had a issue on which they based their stupid ignorant behaviour on rather then just going in a tv station on the worlds well known media outlet and yapping racist comments.

Frankly it gets on my tits when people attack something without understanding it fully. He did not make his comments on the BBC, instead they were printed in the comments section of a Sunday newspaper. The point of these columns is to let these people, suffering severely from verbal diahorrea, to spout whatever illogical nonsense they want to get their view across and generate some news about themselves in the process, as he has. Clearly the man wants a national controversy which with all this discussion he is getting. Although what he said can be construed as racist, most of the columnists do not present exatly balanced viewpoints every week, Brits look at Christopher Hitchens for example. Secondly he is not a reporter he is a chat show host, not exactly representative of cutting edge BBC foreign correspondancy!!

BTW Ace, although I can understand that the Palestinian people feel aggrieved at Israeli security policy, absolutely NOTHING can justify celebrating the murder of 3000 innocent people whatever their nationality or religion.

BTW denoir

So the truth is, we need morons, bigots and militants to safeguard our culture

And such people are the real threat to our culture - racists and bigots that corrupt it from within.

which is it to be?!!    

[Acecombat 0]

Ok yes i forgot he said it in the newspaper in all the bashing

Quote[/b] ]BTW Ace, although I can understand that the Palestinian people feel aggrieved at Israeli security policy, absolutely NOTHING can justify celebrating the murder of 3000 innocent people whatever their nationality or religion

I agree NOTHING can but the palestinians dont generally feel it or see it that way as you and i are doing ?

They see it as a attack on a country who keeps supporting Israel no matter what , they dont see that INNOCENT people got killed , all they see in their blind hatred generated by the USA foriegn policy in their region is AMERICA being attacked whether it be buildings going down or military assault for them its just an attack , add to that illeteracy and ill-constructed propaganda and voila you have people celebrating a thing which they dont even understand fully.

[Major Gripe 0]

Ok yes i forgot he said it in the newspaper in all the bashing  

Quote[/b] ]BTW Ace, although I can understand that the Palestinian people feel aggrieved at Israeli security policy, absolutely NOTHING can justify celebrating the murder of 3000 innocent people whatever their nationality or religion

I agree NOTHING can but the palestinians dont generally feel it or see it that way as you and i are doing ?

They see it as a attack on a country who keeps supporting Israel no matter what , they dont see that INNOCENT people got killed , all they see in their blind hatred generated by the USA foriegn policy in their region is AMERICA being attacked whether it be buildings going down or military assault for them its just an attack , add to that illeteracy and ill-constructed propaganda and voila you have people celebrating a thing which they dont even understand fully.

I understand that but the way you said this;

Quote[/b] ]the point is atleast they had a issue on which they based their stupid ignorant behaviour on

made me think that you thought that they were justified in celebrating the Sept 11 attacks. When you say that someone has an issue it makes it sound as though you personally believe it to be a valid argument. This however is probably one best attributed to semantics!!

[Baron von Beer 0]

What a joke.... I suppose he can still run his show live from his flat or something, to the 3 people that may tune in.

That's ok though, here in the US, we are all Obese people who drive SUVs the size of houses, that consume 20 gallons per mile, club baby seals for sport, kill anyone and everyone for fun, etc etc. Ignorance is rampant, and thus a few bad seads place a rotten label on the whole bunch. Most every nation, and religion has the stereotypes to go with it... and there is never a shortage of people who's 3 functioning brain cells take up, and/or spread them.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]Although Kilroy made a crude generalisation, undoubtedly there were Muslims who did celebrate the Sept 11 attacks, look at this page and check the links at the bottom in post #4.

Hey gripe !

These images, or should I better say stills from a movie are taken from a palestinian celebration that had nothing to do with 9/11. Pics were shown on CNN 9/11 but were proven to be not related to 9/11.

Wrong!

Edit: Ralph beat me to to.

What is that site i cant get in  

snopes.com about the CNN image of Palestinians celebrating. some dumbasses thought CNN reused old footage after reading some email from Brazil.

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

What is that site i cant get in

Quote[/b] ]

CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted.

(The argument that the footage CNN used could not possibly be real because it showed Palestinians in broad daylight not long after the attack — even though Palestinian territory is several time zones ahead of New York — is not valid. Eastern Daylight Time in the United States is six hours behind the area of the Middle East referred to as Palestine. Thus, when the first attack occurred in New York just before 9:00 A.M., Palestine time would have been 3:00 P.M., and the area would still have been bathed in plenty of mid-afternoon sunlight.)

I thought I'd better quote some of it so you knew the basis of it.