Children

[smogmorph 0]

Why is this sick?

These are not real children.

They are just as real as the Russian soldier you kill everytime you try out a new addon.

Would the 3D model of a child be worth more than the 3D model of a Russian soldier?

Tasteless?.. a matter of opinion..

You don't have to download this addon.

You don't have to play the missions which are made.

I'm all for this addon.

[Sgt. Stryker 0]

I agree, i say bring em on, I have an idea to make a mission as a kid stuck on a alien planet (its allready in the works) as of right now I dont really have good units to use for it but the map looks cool. I want a futurisitc scruffy looking kid with small goggles on his head or something.... pretty please with a cherry on top...

[AntonVonE 0]

Quote[/b] ]wtf ... for what are kid soldiers needed ??

Hmmm...people often seem to react without thinking first. Nowhere in my post did I say that I was looking for a child soldier.

Quote[/b] ]WTF?!?

for fucks sake, why does anyone need children in a wargame?

If you're looking for my specific reason, it's because I wanted to have a cutscene in a campaign where a peacekeeper leaves his family. Personally, I think it's totally reasonable to have that.

I had no intention of this becoming a debate about whether or not children should die in a war game, but I suppose that in hindsight it was completely inevitable. My original post was about a search for something that someone was already making...the only thing I remember was that the 'kids' just looked like midgets right now. I wanted an update on that.

I did not want to shoot children.

I did not want to make children shoot others and become targets.

The bottom line is that this is a game...a realistic game at that, and we have complete freedom to portray all aspects of war...as such, that includes family life, and for that, I need addons that can be made to portray as a family.

Anton

[lukemax 0]

So you all say:

Killing a adult or a animal is no problem for you but killing a kid is a problem?

Hmm...The soldiers in the tonal pack looks like pre adults ( age's 16+ )

Well I say: If this is a problem...Make them with unlimetid health...

F That if you can say that its ok to kill animals then your screwed! rather have 100 dead kids then 100 dead dogs.

There both the same why should a human being be classed as better then a dog or lesser.

PS: Not directed at this post

[Scorpio 0]

[smogmorph 0]

There both the same why should a human being be classed as better then a dog or lesser.

Humans are aware of their existance, dogs are not.

If you didn't know if you were alive, would you care if you'd die?

[Heatseeker 0]

unlimited health is the stupidist thing i have ever heard, that would only make people want to shoot them more.

No, its the most reasonable thing to do, so we could have them in cutscenes or running around the towns, would be cool to see small families in the farms of Everon, add to the drama, realism and cinematic feel of the game.

But if they die like the rest you can be sure people will abuse it on their missions or make suicidal kids with bombs ala Chuck Norris , or sometimes the a.i. tank soldiers go crazy on the trigger and we dont want to see towns full of dead children with blood and stuff like that do we?

Ah yes, more diverse population, we only have modern looking men and women, we should have old people too, can you imagine patiently waiting for them to cross the street behind the wheel of the abrams tank .

[AntonVonE 0]

*laughs*

Actually, now that I think about it, old people would be cool too...not too many, but it could make for a cutscene where some old guy goes into a flashback about his war days.

But I still think if anyone chose to make this addon, the playing field would have to be equal, and that the kids would have to have limited health.

Imagine a town where all the adults are dead, and the kids are just walking around as if nothing's wrong. It'd look too wierd.

Anton

[redface 1]

It's certainly not on my top priority list, but I'm not opposed to a child addon. Civilians fleeing always add some sense of urgency to our simulated fights.

And it would force you to watch your aim even more, which - as a maker of predominantly civilian-type missions - I a m quite fond of.

[FerretFangs 0]

I support the idea, purely from a realism point of view. Children DO sometimes fight, and die, in war. As do the elderly, and God forbid- even cat's and dogs.

Some people here need to grow up, and learn to deal with reality, or stop playing wargames altogether. Those of us who grew up as military brats, like I did, should understand that all too often, when men and women go off to war they leave their wife AND KIDS behind. Sometimes they DO face women AND KIDS on the battlefield. And sometimes, even innocent people including KIDS, as well as animals DO get killed.

I think some of you should consider playing more peaceful games if you can't handle the most basic reality of war: People, ( ALL PEOPLE ) are targeted and killed.

War kills people. War is bad, M'kay?

[blackdog~ 0]

I don't see anything wrong with putting kids in the game. As long as they aren't, well... nekkid... it's fine :P

[FerretFangs 0]

Naked kids? OK, who said anything about THAT? What the hell is WRONG with you people???

Really, I worry about what some of you people must think about.

[blackdog~ 0]

Well if you think about the topic of Tonal (which is supposedley in Africa) then you think about all the poverty that is going on there I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't have any clothes other than rags..

[FerretFangs 0]

Well then of course we should have naked kids too, I guess. I'd live through it, I suppose.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Myself, I don't have a "huge" problem with them being in a mission. Although, there are some reservations seeing as it's a game and not really needed.

I wouldn't be the one who'd want to make them though.

[Heatseeker 0]

Well, im glad OPF is a game available to the public and not a super realistic simulation of war available only to all the military/death psycopats and Rambo wannabe's. Yes we are aware of how cruel reality is but killing children is too much. Its a game, a small chalenge of achieving goals and survival, not reality. What else, ah yes, preagnant women, babys, cute little dogs...do we really need all the horrors of war acuratelly portrayed in this game? In terms of realism i think we should stick to gameplay .

[KJAM 0]

Quote[/b] ]Humans are aware of their existance, dogs are not.

If you didn't know if you were alive, would you care if you'd die?

one, how do we KNOW that dogs arent Self aware......which they actually are.....they are Sentient lifeforms just like us....which means they are aware of themselves and the area around them, we dotn understand dogs much so how do we know if they care to die or not, trust me i hacve a pet dog myself.........and im sure as hell he knows what im on about when i have a chat to him and ive noticed his behaviour, and any life forms wanting of not to die is SELF PRESERVATION, not an indication of whether it is close to humanity......(our concept humanity itself sometimes sickens me)

Quote[/b] ]we dont want to see towns full of dead children with blood and stuff like that do we?

no we dont.........like that really ever happens in war *heavy sarcasm* being honest i'd like children in missions.......not so i could shoot them.........but so that it gives me more of an idea what war is.......although i wont truly ever understand until im part of a war, and it would also give you more of a sense of bing a soldier.........and would require more skill as you have to actually AIM for the bad guys not just spray the area, and they shouldhave the same health as the rest of us.

Quote[/b] ] Its a game, a small chalenge of achieving goals and survival, not reality. What else, ah yes, preagnant women, babys, cute little dogs...do we really need all the horrors of war acuratelly portrayed in this game? In terms of realism i think we should stick to gameplay

and why shouldnt all those things be included in this military simulation......as they are present in wars.....or maybe you cant bring yourself to terms with that

[FerretFangs 0]

Sorry, but I play OFP because of the reality factor. Otherwise I'd stick to the Sims, or Elf Bowling.

If, in the course of a Soviet invasion on Nagova I was playing a scenario in which I had to defend a village of people including some children, I might fight a bit harder to keep them alive. If some were killed by a soviet shell, I'd simply have to deal with that fact.

I think it does add to the game. Reality is the ultimate addon. BAS, and RHS come to mind.

[smogmorph 0]

Quote[/b] ]Humans are aware of their existance, dogs are not.

If you didn't know if you were alive, would you care if you'd die?

one, how do we KNOW that dogs arent Self aware......which they actually are.....they are Sentient lifeforms just like us....which means they are aware of themselves and the area around them, we dotn understand dogs much so how do we know if they care to die or not, trust me i hacve a pet dog myself.........and im sure as hell he knows what im on about when i have a chat to him and ive noticed his behaviour, and any life forms wanting of not to die is SELF PRESERVATION, not an indication of whether it is close to humanity......(our concept humanity itself sometimes sickens me)

Yeah whatever.. I just tried to say that dogs suck.. they smell bad and they often approach your throat as they would approach a chewing toy

Alright seriously.. I doubt any dog has ever felt sad because they knew they were never gonna see their family again after their death. Impossible since the dogs have not fully configured their barking language yet.

But as you say.. who knows.. but the fact still stands.. their brains are small and probably not capable of such high 'thinking'.

Uhm.. naked kids? No thanks blackdog.. atleast give them Speedos.

[bmgarcangel 0]

Errm.....ah naked kids........

*looks at black dog *

sorry but i didn't know blacky was a pedifile too

Now i'd just like to say kids, old guys, and old women are a great idea. One thing first off, just don't make the old women in nice skirts and shit like some ofp women i've seen.....that would be unbarrable and scary as hell

[frk19732001 0]

the problem is if you had seen what i saw before you wouldn't want it in game since when we can't have an opinion on things without being blasted that was my opinion

OFP is a GAME not a REALITY SHOW

if you want reality then enlist in the military make sure to be a volonteer in any war and then have fun

[Heatseeker 0]

Quote[/b] ]we dont want to see towns full of dead children with blood and stuff like that do we?

no we dont.........like that really ever happens in war *heavy sarcasm* being honest i'd like children in missions...

Dead children, dead men, women, etc. Interesting world you live where so called precision strykes dont kill thousands of inocent civilians by mistake, no need to see it with your own eyes, we get plenty of that by watching the news but sure we miss most of it and the efect is not the same when seen safelly at home in front of the tv.

Has for need, i dont see what use would they have in OPF for other than intros and movies. The civilians just wonder around and lie on the floor, they dont simulate human behaviour and emotion, they dont surrender or beg for their lives, they dont scream or cry with fear, do we really need small kids wondering around in the midle of firefights, that wouldnt be very realistic and not many mission makers use civies in their missions anyway.

My idea of use would be for cinematic efect, imagining moving with a squad on a truck and seeing a family by the road or the evacuation of civilian families from dangerous areas or assisting civilian families that live in the countryside with medical supplies and stuff like that. Other than that i dont see much use for them and dont understand why they shouldnt have infinite armor.

I dont find the game that realistic, game is suposed to entertain, on a destructive violent way but still if it were to give a acurate representation of war it wouldnt be fun.

The realism of a game is lost the moment we press the retry/load buton, something you can do you if you kill a civilian family by accident but not in RL.

[DracoPaladore 0]

As others have stated befroe, having a child in the game could also prove a point or bring out a small message to the player.

I just say make them invincible if people find it too gruesome. Sure, people will shoot them in Editor. Then don't give them blood textures.

[Dwarden 1125]

Only with attachment to script which ends game after kid kill and with massive murdering it will uninstall OFP, remove all addons and config to give that player lesson he never forget ...

but in general, i dont want see em around ... even i know we are trying to get realism, this is just not good at all for game

[Grimmer 0]

Children addon would be cool for vietnam era missions..

Full Metal Jacket:

Joker: How can you shoot women and children?

Gunner: Easy... you just don't lead 'em so much.