Bas littlebirds

[dm 9]

@Everyone concerned about sound, ok, we heard you the first time!!!

See?! See?!  

It's annoying isn't it?    

Now you know what it's like trying to communicate on TS

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You don't know the HALF of it!!!

[dkraver 1]

It IS possible to fast rope from the littlebirds IRL, however for game ballence (and to give reasons to use the whole range of helicopters) the littlebirds will NOT have a fastroping feature as standard.

I really dont think it will change game balance or reason not to use any of the other choppers in any way. If you need 5 men in a mission you wont take 2 LB but a BH. Also it isnt armed as well as the BH.

Also if you where thinking that way there wouldnt have been a reason to make and release the BH since you already had the MH-47. Since the BH carries less people than the MH-47 but have the same features.    

Also isnt BAS motto making things as close to real life as game allows it to be?? And you already made the tubed "wings" (Dont know what to call them) above the back doors that the rappel robe would be attached to.

   

[dm 9]

I really dont think it will change game balance or reason not to use any of the other choppers in any way. If you need 5 men in a mission you wont take 2 LB but a BH. Also it isnt armed as well as the BH.

Its not so much game ballence, but redundancy of the units.

If the LB could do everything the blackhawk could do, no one would use the blackhawk (not that any of you lazy lot makes that many missions anyway ) and so on.

So we try to make each addon have its own features and speciality, for the Littlebirds thats rapid insertions onto the ground.

Quote[/b] ]Also isnt BAS motto making things as close to real life as game allows it to be?? And you already made the tubed "wings" (Dont know what to call them) above the back doors that the rappel robe would be attached to.

They're called FRIES bars (Fast Rope Insertion Extraction System), or just fastrope supports.

Yes, we know they're there, and we've decided not to "use" them in the LB addon.

[GoOB 0]

How often does a unit fastrope from littlebirds in real life? I imagine it is only used when inserting units over a high forest canopy, onto a ships deck or on a high rooftop. Any info on this?

[miles teg 1]

I was really bored so I decided to try modifying Adamo's old AH-6 Little Bird into a mercenary (Executive Outcomes) MD-500.   I know it's very rough looking but I'm a very very poor addon maker/editor and my OFP viewer doesn't work so I can't do good texturing unfortunately...only basic stuff.  

But anyhoo... I mainly made it just to give BAS an idea of what I'd like to see their MD-500 turned into but with user-designated textures for the nation/organization symbol on the side like in Footmunch's planes.  

Anyways, this one isn't for release as any BAS MD-500 would look far superior.  I have high hopes that the idea of an international version will catch on at BAS.  Really for textures all you gotta do is change the black to tan in photoshop or any other graphic editor.  That's all I did in these pics along with making a very crude FLIR on the nose.

Anyways, if you don't do the textures from scratch and just change the color of existing textures it should be fairly easy to modify to desert colors.  The only time consuming part will be changing the names of the textures (because I'm assuming all the Little Birds share the same textures) and then consequently changing the texture paths.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[dm 9]

Little red X's, can't see what you've done, but I know what you mean...

dunno... all I can say is maybe...

[miles teg 1]

Little Red X's fixed....now proper pics. Look again above.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[cornhelium 0]

Hi there,

1. Do the SOAR LBs have any kind of HUD/IHADSS system? I've had a look in your readme and it doesn't mention them having this kind of capability, but if it would be realistic then having a DKM Mi28 style HUD would be great.

2. To me the BAS OH58 feels "lighter" and easier to fly than the LBs, especially when coming to the hover at speed (you mention this in the LB readme). Is this intentional? Can the LB's be made a little lighter on the cyclic/tail rotor, or are you wanting to simulate the extra weight of Deltas and ammo? IMO, Capt. Moore's LBs feel a little nicer in the hover as the cyclic/tail rotor controls are a bit more responsive, though I prefer the sharper collective response on the BAS birds.

3. On the rapid insertions/extractions, it would be great to have an option for "safe" approaches in the action menu. For example...

If you're in the middle of the desert, you just select "extraction - straight in approach" and the LB angles straight in on your marker using the current Blackhawk script. If however you're in a city, you'd select "extraction - recommend safe approach" and the LB would come in at around 30m height, slow to a hover right above your marker and then descend straight down onto it, thus risking fewer collisions on the approach. Not a perfect solution, but would make aggressive insertions ( ) and extractions more of an option within the limitations of OFP's vehicle AI.

...On the subject of perfect solutions, there's some really exciting stuff going on in this OFPEC thread that could be used to help chopper AI among many other things, though I guess you folks are already on to it:

http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse....d=13969

Also, check out this incredibly precise insertion script. Kudos to Komuna and Deaddog:

http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse....d=10991

Anyway, your LBs are still top-shelf addons, so I'd be more than happy with just the new minigun sounds

Cheers,

Cornhelium

[Heatseeker 0]

The AH-6J (or sumthing like that), have you guys found a way to bypass the one functional machinegun per vehical limitation? Will both miniguns be functional and animated in this version? Would it be worth the trouble? .

[ExtracTioN 0]

Abbility to carry the BAS motorbike

[waffendennis 0]

Hey I found this site with good pictures.

Verry good site with detailed pic's from the MH6 and AH6 And pilots

Nother idea:

Make foldable outboard plaforms ( to support the armo when there is no cargo )

[dkraver 1]

Its not so much game ballence, but redundancy of the units.

If the LB could do everything the blackhawk could do, no one would use the blackhawk (not that any of you lazy lot makes that many missions anyway ) and so on.

So we try to make each addon have its own features and speciality, for the Littlebirds thats rapid insertions onto the ground.

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Yes, we know they're there, and we've decided not to "use" them in the LB addon.

I hope you will reconsider. I dont believe that people wont use the BH's because of the LB's or the other way around. I dont know how other people think, but when im making a mission for lan fights with my friends, i think about what would be the most realistic and effective thing to use in this mission. And i have seen in other peoples missions that thet are using the same way of thinking.

Examples:

-You want a full group inserted by robe into a forrest area.

Do you take 3 LB's, with big chance of the AI pilots flying into each other or having to have 3 player pilots, or do you use one BH??

-You want a two man sniper team put on a non landable roof top in a hot zone. Do you take the slower bigger BH or do you take the smaller faster LB??

The good mission makers take things into consideration and make their missions realistic.

So it wont make the others unused. And especially not with quality addons like yours.

I think its great that you choose to not add extra seat on the MH-6 and such because they do not have that room in real life. And as i said in last post. BAS has always tried to make things as realistic as the game allows it. So when a thing is on them in real life, is used in real life, is possible to do ingame, and when you have the knowledge to do it. Then i say lets have it.

Yeah some people might replace the BH's with LB's. But possibly only for the first 14 days or so. Then they start switching back depending on what makes the mission better.

So again, i hope you reconsider.

[blackdog~ 0]

BAS helicopters are rarely used in MP missions with respawnable vehicles and helicopters, because the east helicopters are poorly equipped and do not have fastroping etc.

I'd like to see a "totally unscripted" version of each helicopter by BAS

[pang 0]

BAS helicopters are rarely used in MP missions with respawnable vehicles and helicopters, because the east helicopters are poorly equipped and do not have fastroping etc.

I'd like to see a "totally unscripted" version of each helicopter by BAS

check the readmes

you can turn off every script FX or feature either by setting a variable or just not entering the mp init- for example on the h60s

[dm 9]

@cornhelium:

1. No they do not have Huds or mfd's IRL. So we havent put them in. I'm aware that the MH-6M (the "latest an greatest" version of the Littlebirds) is under development and includes MFD's etc, but as it is not in service yet things can change. So we wont be making one until its in-service.

2. A lot of people have commented on the handling and performance of the littlebirds. If we update them, we'll look into it.

3. Any scripts like that will be taken into account, but remember, we want to try and keep the action menu as free from clutter as possible.

@heatseeker:

No we havent re-coded the game engine, and we wont be able to ever... You'll just have to (STILL) wait for OFP2.

@pang:

Thanks for answering Blackdog, he clearly deems it un-necessary to read the readme

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

Fastroping

Yes it is possible...and this has been discussed ad nauseum before.

It is possible but rarely done...on the LB it is a very dangerous maneuver and as the job of any good soldier is to get to his objectively as safely as possible, where there is a way to infiltrate without fastroping they choose it.

To give our helos some diversity we decided long ago to not include fast roping with LB. AS mentioned before.....it's such a small and maneuverable helo....fast roping is rarely used with this helo as opposed to the BH.

Num. of Operators on Bench

Yes...officially it can carry 3...but normally only 2 operators are on a bench...why...fully loaded with gear...it's tight even for 2 operators....put 3 fully loaded operators on there and intorduce a risk that someone gets hurt during insertion as heavily laden troops spill off the benches. 2 per bench stays people.

HUD Systems

None yet...although the new Mission Enhanced Littlebird (MELB) may have some new avionics introduced to add this capability. Aiming on the AH-6J is done by zeroing the guns and marking the position on the canopy with a grease pencil...yes..very low tech :-)

Foldable Benches

Why??? More development work for what essentially would be eye candy and serve no function in game. Not going to happen.

@MilesTeg

I have been discussing with one of our consultants about International versions and I am keen to re-texture the exisiting 500 TOW in the LB pack to a real world scheme..such as the Israeli and Kenyan versions....so your International version will eventuate.....but it will be a private project..much like the reskin Ebud and I did of Footmunch's Skyraider and is out of scope of the BAS Littlebirds.

@Heatseekeer

Multiple guns are an engine limitation and we have no work around for this.

[dm 9]

*cough* Slow boy *cough*

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

*scratches head*...Huh??

[miles teg 1]

That's good news about the MD-500! My mod team (the Lost Brothers) is very interested in either creating or supporting work on a Israeli MD-500.

Aside from that however, I wanted to add that on the Little Bird update, I forgot to mention that an important script to add is the dust script when taking off.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]None yet...although the new Mission Enhanced Littlebird (MELB) may have some new avionics introduced to add this capability. Aiming on the AH-6J is done by zeroing the guns and marking the position on the canopy with a grease pencil...yes..very low tech

Did the old BAS MH-6 have this "feature" ?

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

That's good news about the MD-500!  My mod team (the Lost Brothers) is very interested in either creating or supporting work on a Israeli MD-500.  

Aside from that however, I wanted to add that on the Little Bird update, I forgot to mention that an important script to add is the dust script when taking off.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

You wanna help Miles.....get me some nice hires pics of israeli MD500s

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Heey TS this are very clear pics of the Israeli Model

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Edit : more pics

One site with allot pic of it

[theavonlady 2]

Heey TS this are very clear pics of the Israeli Model

Pic 1

Wow! Geocities wouldn't allow your direct link to the pic. Instead I got a cosmetics add from Avon.com titled "A New Avon".

How do they do that?!

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Heey TS this are very clear pics of the Israeli Model

Pic 1

Wow! Geocities wouldn't allow your direct link to the pic. Instead I got a cosmetics add from Avon.com titled "A New Avon".

How do they do that?!

   

I fixed it already

And it might be magic Avon

[theavonlady 2]

Pic 1

Looks like we Israelis got to Mars first.