What a coinsidence!

[Billabong81 0]

I just realized something. According to CNN, the raid to capture Saddam in his "spider-hole" was called Operation Red Dawn. If I am not mistaken, wasn't that the name of the mission in the CWC campaign where you capture Guba . That is really freaky

[m21man 0]

I was wondering about that . Maybe Bush has been playing too many video games in the Oval Office .

[Harnu 0]

Was thinking the same thing earlier.  Maybe one of the higher up's plays OFP?

[Guest]

Considering they do training on VBS-1...it mightn't be that unlikely you know. Of course it could be the other way around...maybe BIS do some "other" work in their spare time

[blackdog~ 0]

well well... what a kawinkidink.

but lets not forget that guba wasn't hiding in a hole :P

[ozanzac 0]

I thought red dawns represented that the rest of the day would be clear of cloud?

Meaning his capture would symbolize clear weather ahead for Iraq and its people.

But I Dunno. It would be nice to think OpFlash influenced the capture of the Ace of Spades. But I doubt it.

[Grizzlie 0]

OFP is US Army secret weapon

I do not know if Bush is playing OFP, but it is possible his staff is

@ ozanzac - it was avonlady (if i rememeber) mentioned that is is not only name of mission but codenames of units too.

[toadlife 3]

OFP is US Army secret weapon

I do not know if Bush is playing OFP, but it is possible his staff is

@ ozanzac - it was avonlady (if i rememeber) mentioned that is is not only name of mission but codenames of units too.

Bush or his staff had nothing to do with this operation. He didn't even know about it until hours after they had nabbed Saddam.

It was probably the 4th infantry divisions soldiers playing OFP in their spare time.

[Scorpio 0]

The phrase 'Red Dawn' is mostly associated with the Soviet Union and terrorist groups. There is an Operation Red Dawn in C&C aswell. I don't think it's anything to do with OFP.

Although it's strange they called it Red Dawn...the general probably has a heck of a sense of humour.

[Longinius 1]

Probably had more to do with the movie Red Dawn, than the OFP mission. After all, the objectives were even named Wolverine 1 and 2 (and in the movie, the freedomfighters call themselves Wolverines). All though, in the movie the Wolverines are Americans.

Heck, go figure.

[EiZei 0]

Well, I burst out laughing when I heard the general tell the operation name and the name of the units involved.

GO WOLVERINES!!1

[NavyEEL 0]

OFP is US Army secret weapon

I do not know if Bush is playing OFP, but it is possible his staff is

@ ozanzac - it was avonlady (if i rememeber) mentioned that is is not only name of mission but codenames of units too.

Bush or his staff had nothing to do with this operation. He didn't even know about it until hours after they had nabbed Saddam.

It was probably the 4th infantry divisions soldiers playing OFP in their spare time.  

bush, being the CIC, WAS involved in this operation. it's nice how you turn everything, even a topic about the similarity between a game and a real-world operation, into bush bashing...

but anyway, that is indeed quite a coincidence that the operations have the same name... maybe OFP is more popular than we thought? now if you start seeing on the news some reports of their latest plan, called Operation Flashpoint, then you know something weird is really going on!

[Gollum1 0]

Hahaha, don't think that U.S Army high-ups play OFP much!

Coincidence that you nab Guba there, though.

As mentioned before, it's based on the classic 80s movie Red Dawn.

[Bordoy 0]

OFP is US Army secret weapon

I do not know if Bush is playing OFP, but it is possible his staff is

@ ozanzac - it was avonlady (if i rememeber) mentioned that is is not only name of mission but codenames of units too.

Bush or his staff had nothing to do with this operation. He didn't even know about it until hours after they had nabbed Saddam.

It was probably the 4th infantry divisions soldiers playing OFP in their spare time.  

bush, being the CIC, WAS involved in this operation.  it's nice how you turn everything, even a topic about the similarity between a game and a real-world operation, into bush bashing...

but anyway, that is indeed quite a coincidence that the operations have the same name... maybe OFP is more popular than we thought?  now if you start seeing on the news some reports of their latest plan, called Operation Flashpoint, then you know something weird is really going on!  

I didn't see any Bush bashing, if it had to go to the top with planning etc, then one mission would take a couple of weeks to start.

[Badgerboy 0]

OFP is US Army secret weapon

I do not know if Bush is playing OFP, but it is possible his staff is

@ ozanzac - it was avonlady (if i rememeber) mentioned that is is not only name of mission but codenames of units too.

Bush or his staff had nothing to do with this operation. He didn't even know about it until hours after they had nabbed Saddam.

It was probably the 4th infantry divisions soldiers playing OFP in their spare time.  

bush, being the CIC, WAS involved in this operation.  it's nice how you turn everything, even a topic about the similarity between a game and a real-world operation, into bush bashing...

but anyway, that is indeed quite a coincidence that the operations have the same name... maybe OFP is more popular than we thought?  now if you start seeing on the news some reports of their latest plan, called Operation Flashpoint, then you know something weird is really going on!  

Bush was actually informed of the operation, after it was put into action.

Although Bush is your CIC, he is not a military man, and as such shouldn't have any input into how operations are carried out. You have an officer corp to do that for you. Politicains should hand out broad guidelines, and let the military to get on with the job, instead of letting it being micromanaged by pillocks that have no idea of sound military tactics. (And its been happening for centuries! )

(Problem is, politicians don't always follow that. Eh Rumsfeld?)

So, the role of 'CiC' is quite false in many ways. The 'CiC' is a civilian, and a head of state. So he really has the same powers as any other head of state. I suppose they came up with it just to sound good.

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]now if you start seeing on the news some reports of their latest plan, called Operation Flashpoint, then you know something weird is really going on!

Or Operation: Red Hammer (For when Bush gets in a cockfight with North Korea ).

[toadlife 3]

Bush was actually informed of the operation, after it was put into action.

Although Bush is your CIC, he is not a military man, and as such shouldn't have any input into how operations are carried out. You have an officer corp to do that for you. Politicains should hand out broad guidelines, and let the military to get on with the job, instead of letting it being micromanaged by pillocks that have no idea of sound military tactics. (And its been happening for centuries! )

(Problem is, politicians don't always follow that. Eh Rumsfeld?)

So, the role of 'CiC' is quite false in many ways. The 'CiC' is a civilian, and a head of state. So he really has the same powers as any other head of state. I suppose they came up with it just to sound good.

Exactly.

I was not Bashing bush, only pointing out that he, unlike many other politicians have done (read: Vietnam, Bosnia, Somalia), doesn't meddle with the "how part", and act as if wars are a big game of risk. He simply dictates to the real heads of the military the specific objectives he want's carried out, and leaves them to carry those objectives out in the way they deem most appropriate.

I've allways been a supporter of going into Iraq - WMD's or no WMD's.