cam0flage 0 Posted July 12, 2003 What do you think, will some half-mad neo-Nazi hustler try to shoot Chirac this year? I think I'll have to check out this parade, I participated in a few myself during my service in the Army, they were actually quite nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 12, 2003 it's official this year , we'll have the Leclercs (in 2001 they didn't participate to "officially show the will of the french army to change into a high mobility/projection force ... etc" but in fact , i'm pretty sure the tanks didn't make it to Paris cuz of technical problems ) 4000 soldiers 100 jets 40 helicopters and quite a lot of vehicles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted July 12, 2003 its just a tradition i suppose, not anything facist, I thought that french belguim lux and germany had formed a little alliance, you know, like a mini nato, Its just a way of pissing off the yanks and the brits. Isnt that eurocorps? i cant remember... Quote[/b] ]The Eurocorps was created in 1992 as the concrete implementation of a political will that has developed since the 1950's.The Eurocorps comprises military contributions from its five member states: Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg and Spain. The Headquarters, in which soldiers from the member states and also from Austria, Finland, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Turkey and the United Kingdom participate, is located in Strasbourg, France. From www.eurocorps.org It's kinda funny to see them altogether. they just look like a bunch of people playing airsoft! Their equipment is also very interresting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamme 0 Posted July 12, 2003 Is Abrams bigger than Leopard 2A4? The reason why I'm asking is that me and my big brother went to the finnish Armour Museum today, and there was one of our new Leopards, and it's a big frigging monster! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKULLS_Viper 0 Posted July 12, 2003 The M1A2 is 32.25 FT in length and 12.0 FT Width and is 8.0 FT high. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm As for the Leo:Chassis Length Overall (m) 7.69 Height Overall (m) 2.79 Width Overall (m) 3.70 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leopard2.htm I wouldn't know what it is converted FT. or vice versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted July 12, 2003 Is Abrams bigger than Leopard 2A4? The reason why I'm asking is that me and my big brother went to the finnish Armour Museum today, and there was one of our new Leopards, and it's a big frigging monster! Which town is that museum in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cam0flage 0 Posted July 13, 2003 The Armor Museum is located in Parola. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 13, 2003 first live feed , small size , slow connection second feed , fast connection these aren't operationnal yet but should be tomorow morning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted July 13, 2003 I think I may have to post France's military history in honor of Bastille Day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dauragon 0 Posted July 13, 2003 La prise de la bastille, Louis XVI's decapitation , the good ol' days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Does the U.S have any military parades? No, generally Americans are uncomfortable around large masses of their own troops....it has to do with founding principles mostly....the U.S. strives to keep it's military from intereacting with the civilian population as much as possible. I once asked a senior offficer why we don't have public shows of military strength and he said "That's what the commies do." So I guess we gotta be different....hey, everyone else thinks we are imperialist assholes, why not show it off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamme 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Does the U.S have any military parades? No, generally Americans are uncomfortable around large masses of their own troops....it has to do with founding principles mostly....the U.S. strives to keep it's military from intereacting with the civilian population as much as possible. I once asked a senior offficer why we don't have public shows of military strength and he said "That's what the commies do." So I guess we gotta be different....hey, everyone else thinks we are imperialist assholes, why not show it off? I'd just love to see more of finnish army stuff, but I just gotta wait til' I go to the army. I'd feel very comfortable with Abrams's surrounding me (turrets pointing in the other way of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Quote[/b] ]I've heard that the weight of the tank damages pavement.I remeber watching a tank training show, and the trainer said he knew a tank driver in Germany, damaged a street with the tank, and they made him pay for the damage. Hm. I don´t believe he had to pay for the damage but he certainly had to pay some money for punishment. The problem with Leo´s, no matter if leo 1 or 2, is that they can stop very fast. Hit the brakes and you go from 90 km/h to 0 within 3 - 5 meters. The rubber blocks burst of the track and the track rips asphalt open. You know somewhere the energy has to go to Well that´s no bigger problem if the driver uses the brakes carefull, but in case of an emergency halt the road is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Do tanks still have narrow tracks which they put on for transportation? I saw that once on a documentary about ww2, the germans put those on their late war tanks because otherwise the trains carrying them couldnt pass each other because the tanks were getting so big Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Do tanks still have narrow tracks which they put on for transportation? No. There is only one kind of track for the Leo. This track can be modified with rubber cussions for peace time useage and snowclaws for winter useage in open terrain. During missions the rubber cussions are taken away. The Leo 2 can climb 60 percent elevations and 1.5 m in height from zero level ( bunk walls, etc.). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted July 14, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Does the U.S have any military parades? No, generally Americans are uncomfortable around large masses of their own troops....it has to do with founding principles mostly....the U.S. strives to keep it's military from intereacting with the civilian population as much as possible. I once asked a senior offficer why we don't have public shows of military strength and he said "That's what the commies do." So I guess we gotta be different....hey, everyone else thinks we are imperialist assholes, why not show it off? well they do at times make appearances, like at fairs or airshows. but they never bring out the heavy stuff but they do show some of their apc's and trucks. i remember when i was just a little kid at the fair, they had a some kind of tracked vehicle that looked like a M113 and a 5 ton truck w/ some kind of strange equipment, anyway they had the M113's rear hatch open so people could walk inside and have a look, they had the drivers seat locked so it could rotate to prevent people from climbing in and messing around w/ the controls, well at the time i didn't stop to think that they didn't want anybody climbing inside to the drivers seat, so being the curious little kid i was i squeezed myself between the seat and wall of the vehicle and sat there for a miniute or two, fortunately i did have some basic common sense and didn't tamper w/ anything and just sorta squeezed myself out again and met up w/ my dad where he took me to see the truck. come to think of it im a bit surprised that nobody was paying attention to what was going on in there the military was also at a airshow at Burke Lake Front in Cleveland, again they didn't have any of the big stuff, just some trucks, humvees, and some of their equipment. they where letting people handle a M-16 w/ a gernade launcher and a M-60. and of course it being a airshow they did have a C-130. and to answer somebodies question, Rarely does the military publicly show the M1 Abrams tank and when they do have a show of the tank its never in a public place. they had a flyer for a open house at a armory nearby where i live, they were going to show a Abrams tank crushing a car, i really wanted to go see it but it was on a day i had to work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 14, 2003 first live feed , small size , slow connection second feed , fast connection could anybody please tell me if these links work yet ? if they don't , they should be operationnal in about 15 minutes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted July 14, 2003 could anybody please tell me if these links work yet ? if they don't , they should be operationnal in about 15 minutes Not yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 14, 2003 ok , i have the feelling the link will start working after the end of the documentaries they're showing right now like 15 more minutes -edit-: Don't forget about TV5 and the other channels like France2 and TF1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted July 14, 2003 The links are working fine for me. Unfortunately no march livefeed yet, the seem to bring the news right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted July 14, 2003 They seem to start the parade livefeed now in the second linkage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 14, 2003 no , the parade itself will start within half an hour but right after the ads , there will be a small documentary about french troops in ivory coast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted July 14, 2003 I'm assuming that the parade is over, cos none of the links work for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shashman 0 Posted July 14, 2003 Talking about parades and Eurocorps : The other day (Wednesday I think it was) the Air Component of the Belgian Armed Forces (Bah why couldn't they just leave it as "Belgian Air Force" lol) were practising the flypast for the 21st July (Belgian national Day) parade and I was amazed to see a Mirage 2000 and 2 Tornados(couldn't quite make out the markings) flying along with the usual F-16s,C-130s and SF-260s  in the "formation" . I've never seen a foreign aircraft participating in this event, not even foreign troops or vehicles come to think of it so I was quite surprised. I think after OIF,they're trying to show their unity in the form of participating in each other's National Days LOL   Does Germany have a National Day where they have a military parade or not perhaps because of history? If so it'd be interesting to see if there were any Belgian,French or Luxemburg (<-LOL) forces participating  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
