IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 19, 2003 That would be your American mentality screaming Didnt a previous article mention fighters coming to the rescue of an attacked French force? I was surprised they even had fighters in the region. We Europeans are pretty used to doing war on the cheap, Rumsfeld isnt trying hard enough. He could squeeze 30% more war out of the US military with no problems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted June 23, 2003 Just read that 70 guys from the Swedish SSG (Särskild Skydds Grupp / Special Protection Unit) are going down to Congo in a few days. SSG is probably the only real SF unit in Sweden, as it consists only of the best available officers in the Swedish military. They are primarily used, as far as I know, for counter terrorism and protection of government VIP's. So I would really like to know what they are going to do in Congo... (As a small comparison their training and structure was compared to the Green Berets and Spetsnaz in the article about the Congo trip, just to let you guys who never heard of them get an idea of what kind of unit it is). It doesnt strike me as odd that a SF unit goes to Congo, the odd part is that a Swedish SF unit goes to Congo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 23, 2003 Just read that 70 guys from the Swedish SSG (Särskild Skydds Grupp / Special Protection Unit) are going down to Congo in a few days. SSG is probably the only real SF unit in Sweden, as it consists only of the best available officers in the Swedish military. They are primarily used, as far as I know, for counter terrorism and protection of government VIP's. So I would really like to know what they are going to do in Congo...(As a small comparison their training and structure was compared to the Green Berets and Spetsnaz in the article about the Congo trip, just to let you guys who never heard of them get an idea of what kind of unit it is). It doesnt strike me as odd that a SF unit goes to Congo, the odd part is that a Swedish SF unit goes to Congo... I think it's an important contribution by Sweden. Those SF will be very welcome to help the EU forces. As far as Denoir described the Swedish army, your regular soldiers are as good as SF. The SSG has to be bad ass then! Didn't sweden have some UN soldiers in Africa in the 60ies? I think they were also in Congo. So you must already have some experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted June 23, 2003 "Didn't sweden have some UN soldiers in Africa in the 60ies? I think they were also in Congo. So you must already have some experience." Yes, I believe we did. But they would be quite old by now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 23, 2003 "Didn't sweden have some UN soldiers in Africa in the 60ies? I think they were also in Congo. So you must already have some experience."Yes, I believe we did. But they would be quite old by now man you know what I mean. your military already has experience whith that country. I'm not talking about your old veterans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted June 23, 2003 Yeah, I know, just teasing... : ) Imagine these 60 - 70 year old guys running around Congo trying to enforce the peace, and avoiding heart attacks at the same time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 23, 2003 Yeah, I know, just teasing... : )Imagine these 60 - 70 year old guys running around Congo trying to enforce the peace, and avoiding heart attacks at the same time... "Damn those Africans! They don't show any respect to me anymore! Where's my good old K-45?" Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted June 24, 2003 Just read that 70 guys from the Swedish SSG (Särskild Skydds Grupp / Special Protection Unit) are going down to Congo in a few days. SSG is probably the only real SF unit in Sweden, as it consists only of the best available officers in the Swedish military. They are primarily used, as far as I know, for counter terrorism and protection of government VIP's. So I would really like to know what they are going to do in Congo...(As a small comparison their training and structure was compared to the Green Berets and Spetsnaz in the article about the Congo trip, just to let you guys who never heard of them get an idea of what kind of unit it is). It doesnt strike me as odd that a SF unit goes to Congo, the odd part is that a Swedish SF unit goes to Congo... Sounds like they could be assigned to the UN as VIP protection. I'm sure there are a lot of important people running around down there, worried about being eaten by the rebels. The Swedes are famous for their neutrality and professionalism, so I think they'd be welcome escorts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 24, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Sounds like they could be assigned to the UN as VIP protection. I'm sure there are a lot of important people running around down there, worried about being eaten by the rebels. No this is not the case. Almost all foreign officials and representant of NGO´s have already left the country. Right now the french are guarding Un installations and storages of the WFP for example. During summer and throughout autumn we will have nearly full strength down there and will start to to reestablish order. And yes i will be there also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted June 24, 2003 Well, I assume that there are UN personnel still down there, and they would need the protection. You're going to Congo? Are you French? What kind of unit are you in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 24, 2003 I´m german. I work for the UN core force. I getting my cheques from the UN directly. I am with the KRK forces. My home base is the 232 Gebirgsjägerbatallion Berchtesgaden, but I am not serving there. When I am here in germany I train troops at Strub, Freyung, Regensburg, Regen, Grafenwöhr etc. or do preparations for upcoming missions like i do now. EDIT: I wonder how you missed that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted June 24, 2003 Hats off to you Balschoiw. Do you find OFP realistic / helpful? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 24, 2003 It is fun. It´s a computer game. Let´s limit it to this shall we ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 24, 2003 Berchtesgaden eh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted June 24, 2003 Hats off to you Balschoiw.Do you find OFP realistic / helpful? OK sorry. I just saw on the BBC that the french troops there opened fire on some militia who failed to leave by the deadline and killed a few. Although a tragedy, I am heartened to see the UN giving practical rules of engagement. Imagine if the UN were allowed to do that in Rwanda... over half a million people might still be alive today... Offtopic: I remember reading somewhere someone was making a "Congo" jungle Island. Anybody know about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 24, 2003 Quote[/b] ]OK sorry. No need for that "sorry" It´s just that reality never can be simulated and I like it the way it is. OFP is great no matter if it is supadupa realistic or not. In my opinion not all things should be simulated. I mean we play for relaxation and real war is anything but relaxation Quote[/b] ]Imagine if the UN were allowed to do that in Rwanda... over half a million people might still be alive today... I doubt that. Tribal fights or power interest are disturbed by the presence of UN troops for a certain time but UN troops alone do not solve conflicts between people. The people themselves have to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 25, 2003 Balshoi and a UN contingent vs thousands of screaming Hutu and Tutsi armed with machetes. Ya, that'll work. Can you say "hamburger"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted July 31, 2003 The UN Security Council voted unanimously to raise the limit on the number of peacekeeping troops in Congo to 10,800 and give the force a more robust mandate to stop violence in Ituri as well as neighboring North and South Kivu provinces. A 3,000-strong multinational force from Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan is expected to reach Bunia by the end of September. There are currently 6,000 UN soldiers in the Congo (including 800 unarmed military observers) and until now they have been permitted only to shoot in self-defense. The Security Council just authorized peacekeepers to use force to protect civilians and aid workers ``under imminent threat of physical violence'' and to help improve security conditions to facilitate humanitarian aid. The council also imposed an arms embargo on all foreign and Congolese groups in the eastern part of the country. Meanwhile, the RCD rebels' 4th and 9th Brigades backed by elements of the Rwandan army, have been launching attacks for the last week in the Sud-Kivu province. What makes this situation even more dangerous are that these troops are acting on orders of their unit commanders and ignoring their national leader's declarations of peace. MONUC is also aware that they're using heavy weapons, which was driving 10,000 refugees in front of their advance. The French must be getting nervous about these developments. Defense Minister Alliot-Marie will be traveling between Uganda, Bunia and Kinshasa for the next week. The Hema have accused 3,000 Lendu fighters of attacking the villages of Drodro, Largu and Blukwa on the 25th with mortars, rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles, killing as many as 150 people. Two of these three villages had been subjected to a Lendu massacre on April 3, when at least 150 people were slaughtered. It was not possible to independently verify the report, since the unarmed UN observers were withdrawn from all areas of Ituri province except the MONUC-controlled town of Bunia. This was done after two observers were abducted, tortured and killed in May at Mongbwalu, about 80km north of Bunia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted July 31, 2003 There are currently 6,000 UN soldiers in the Congo (including 800 unarmed military observers) What do "unarmed military observers" do? Sounds like MAC V SOG during Vietnam's spooky days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 31, 2003 There are currently 6,000 UN soldiers in the Congo (including 800 unarmed military observers) What do "unarmed military observers" do? Sounds like MAC V SOG during Vietnam's spooky days they assess damages on vital infrastructures , they assess the number of victims in civillian populations , they make reports about what they see , that's all ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted August 1, 2003 Weapons of mass digestion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 1, 2003 Weapons of mass digestion yeah .... you often see that in the region ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted August 1, 2003 Weapons of mass digestion yeah .... you often see that in the region ... Yes. So commercialized these days! Ah, but for the taste of years gone by! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 1, 2003 Weapons of mass digestion yeah .... you often see that in the region ... Yes. So commercialized these days! Ah, but for the taste of years gone by! you know the worst ? most of the cannibals don't know how too cook properly and the meat becomes tasteless and they don't finish the dishes if one day , i must end up in someone's stomach , i want to be correctly cooked and to become a state of the art dish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted August 1, 2003 Yummy! McCannibal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
