ViperCheese 0 Posted January 23, 2003 Why cant the tires on the Hind, Apache, MI17 and Blackhawk roll? The lack of rolling tires makes it impossible to land safely and with no damage unless you are completely still in a hover. It is impossible to land while going, say, 10 km in any direction and thus you cant do the stuff they do on the wings channel in all those helicopter documantaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted January 23, 2003 I don't think those are actual landing gear, they are more of something to merely move the helicopter out of the hangar than to land at speed on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hovmand 0 Posted January 23, 2003 And OFP isent a chopper sim! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 23, 2003 But still, working, spinning wheel would be nice in some occasions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperCheese 0 Posted January 23, 2003 uuuhhh ok, but ive seen helicopters land with forward speed and roll to a stop like a plane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woulff 0 Posted January 24, 2003 When I was a crew chief on UH60’s, we would practice roll-on landings. While not necessary in Flashpoint it would be a nice feature. Especially when coming in for repairs or an emergency landing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 24, 2003 Bah. My helicopters roll down the hill all the time in OFP... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted January 24, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 24 2003,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah. My helicopters roll down the hill all the time in OFP... Â <span id='postcolor'> LMAO But seriously... good point, Vipercheese I never thought of it in OFP, though I more often than not take off with some forward-speed in Longbow2. Same when landing. -Land first, apply the brakes later The wheels on the choppers should spin and allow you to land even when flying as fast as 50km/h given the ground is relatively flat (atleast for the Apache) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted January 24, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (blackdog~ @ Jan. 24 2003,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think those are actual landing gear, they are more of something to merely move the helicopter out of the hangar than to land at speed on.<span id='postcolor'> In afghanistan the russians did rolling take offs with there hinds from some of their mountain bases because the air was so thin that it wasnt posible to take off like a normal chopper so they had to gain so speed first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted January 24, 2003 In short: The wheels are there for the same reason they are there on planes Taxing, take-off and high-speed landing In the Apache's case, the gear also works as shock-absorbers if they should crash. I don't know about the other choppers though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted January 24, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 23 2003,22:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah. My helicopters roll down the hill all the time in OFP... Â <span id='postcolor'> hehe.. that reminds me of a mission once with my squad. Our helo pilot landed on the side of a hill and everyone jumped out. suddenly the helicopter started rolling down the hill picking up speed. imagine 4 or 5 guys running at full speed trying to catch up with a UH-60 cruising down the side of a mountain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted January 24, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Jan. 24 2003,09:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 23 2003,22:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah. My helicopters roll down the hill all the time in OFP... Â <span id='postcolor'> hehe.. that reminds me of a mission once with my squad. Our helo pilot landed on the side of a hill and everyone jumped out. Â suddenly the helicopter started rolling down the hill picking up speed. Â imagine 4 or 5 guys running at full speed trying to catch up with a UH-60 cruising down the side of a mountain <span id='postcolor'> Same happen to me, i get out as pilot, do a little recon, and next thing i know, my chopper is 50m away, rolling down hill. Still one of the funniest thing I ever seen in OFP, i kept laughing for hours afterward. -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted January 24, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Jan. 24 2003,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><snip>i get out as pilot, do a little recon, and next thing i know, my chopper is 50m away, rolling down hill. Â Still one of the funniest thing I ever seen in OFP, i kept laughing for hours afterward.</snip><span id='postcolor'> I hope you don't park your own car in real life hehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted January 24, 2003 There should be a mission in OFP like a roller coaster ride, but you're in a blackhawk starting on one of the peaks of the snow top mountains on Nogova, and you just roll down the hill into the valley. Then when u get to the bottom, you just fly back to the top and ride down again. -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
furia 10 Posted January 24, 2003 Helicopters use retractable wheels landing gear for 2 reasons. 1- To allow to restract it while in flight thus gaining over 15-20 knot of airspeed (less drag) 2-To use the weels to perform running take off and landing. Helicopter perfomance increases a lot when able to move over 10-15 knts (translational speed). This feature is widely used by military helicopters that require to take of with heavy payloads and plenty of fuel. To understand that, think that the very same helicopter with the same weight could take off if able to make a running take off and gain those 15 knts while still keeping most of its wheight on the weels, while that helicopter may not be able to take off under the same conditions if no running take off possibility avalaible. Be sure most pilots would use this option is avalaible and terrain allows it. I do so most of the time (and keep some extra reserve power on the pocket, just in case ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thud_and_Blunder 0 Posted January 25, 2003 The Chinook is designed for run-on speeds of up to 60 kts at Max All-Up Mass. Apart from reduced power requirements, another advantage of running or zero-speed landings (where the helicopter effectively reaches the hover just as the wheels/skids touch the surface) is a reduction in downwash and its associated effects. These effects include the blinding brown-out (dust or sand) or white-out that cause the pilot(s) to lose all external references so essential for safe manoeuvring close to the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 0 Posted January 25, 2003 would be nice to have the v80 and the hind updated to use retactable landing gear, and have it so weels can go around same for planes, would be cool to have proper landing gear for the planes with the detail of a flight sim(On the plane). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Jan. 24 2003,07:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Jan. 24 2003,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><snip>i get out as pilot, do a little recon, and next thing i know, my chopper is 50m away, rolling down hill. Â Still one of the funniest thing I ever seen in OFP, i kept laughing for hours afterward.</snip><span id='postcolor'> I hope you don't park your own car in real life hehe<span id='postcolor'> Dude, where's my chopper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted January 25, 2003 i think skids should be able to do just that, skid, it is possible to do running take offs with skids, in the vietnam war the UH-1C had so little engine power and weighed so much (6 tonnes, compared to 3 for a slick) that they had to taxi and bounce the helo up and down to get enough height to stay in the air, i guess wheels are there to A: make it aerodynamic when they are raised and B: protect with landings as obviously a skid cant have much suspension and probably just snaps, although i dont think taxiing is possible in ofp in helos, as i believe real helicopters use the collective to get forward/reverse speed (as well as tilting forwards), but we have no such control in ofp, it would be good if they could be used to land though, also if they made it so that helos dont explode with every crash it would be better, so if you came in a little hot it would say break the wheels (like on planes) and maybe smash the windows a bit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted January 25, 2003 I would be happy if only a new button for enable/disable wheelbrakes was implemented. As Eviscerator say; you could land with forward speed without suffering damage. I know the chopper-taxing would be hard to implement in OFP as it would pretty require to make the chopper-controlls from scratch again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted January 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Jan. 24 2003,09:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 24 2003,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah. My helicopters roll down the hill all the time in OFP... Â <span id='postcolor'> LMAO But seriously... good point, Vipercheese I never thought of it in OFP, though I more often than not take off with some forward-speed in Longbow2. Same when landing. -Land first, apply the brakes later The wheels on the choppers should spin and allow you to land even when flying as fast as 50km/h given the ground is relatively flat (atleast for the Apache)<span id='postcolor'> the wheels have to be able to spin that hard, dutch apaches showed a emergency landing and they used a roll. In ofp the wheels of a helo are not set as wheels, they are part of the model. in the memory lod only gets set where it hits the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
