Guest Posted February 12, 2003 Keep on topic. Iraq, not Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted February 12, 2003 Bin Laden Tape Urges Iraqi Suicide Bombs Say, Ahmed, does this explosive belt make me look fat? What? You saying this isn't an Ab Energizer that will give me washboard abs? -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shabadu @ Feb. 12 2003,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> 'Nuff said<span id='postcolor'> file:///H:/displayattachment.jpg Songs and Chants for Peace -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 11 2003,22:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was just using Israel as an example.<span id='postcolor'> Ok ok. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, now I'm thinking maybe it will happen to you. <span id='postcolor'> This is almost impossible. If Saddam is attacked, he may very well use his BNC weapons if he has any, but he may never use them if he us kept under a watchful regime. On the other hand, if you actually realize that thousands of people have died because of this immediate war, Saddam was not real a threat, and the U.N. and Nato fall appart, you are likely to have a very tainted concience for the rest of your life.... well, we'll see what happens. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe because we simply dont regard each other's facts as true? I don't know.<span id='postcolor'> Facts are facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Feb. 12 2003,06:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What was almost as funny (in a dark way) was George Bush claiming that the new Osama Bin Laden tape proves that Hussien and Bin Laden are connected just becuase Bin Laden said America would be in his bad books if they bombed Iraq and the Iraqi people should fight the Americans. It's not like he said 'Hussien and I are in an unholy alliance'.<span id='postcolor'> Precisely why I came to the forum just now, I have just seen in the media reports saying: "This latest Bin Laden statement shows there is a link between Hussein and Al Qeada, and it is making an even stronger case for invading Iraq".... it's like WTF? Isn't every American and Canadian going to realize this is brainwashing propaganda? I mean, listen to everything O.B.L. said, they have no connection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted February 12, 2003 Does anyone here doubt OBL's great desire to see the US/UK attack Iraq? Any invasion would greatly strengthen Al Qaida around the globe. Their membership would skyrocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 11 2003,20:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Feb. 12 2003,06:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What was almost as funny (in a dark way) was George Bush claiming that the new Osama Bin Laden tape proves that Hussien and Bin Laden are connected just becuase Bin Laden said America would be in his bad books if they bombed Iraq and the Iraqi people should fight the Americans. It's not like he said 'Hussien and I are in an unholy alliance'.<span id='postcolor'> Precisely why I came to the forum just now, I have just seen in the media reports saying: "This latest Bin Laden statement shows there is a link between Hussein and Al Qeada, and it is making an even stronger case for invading Iraq".... it's like WTF? Â Isn't every American and Canadian going to realize this is brainwashing propaganda? Â I mean, listen to everything O.B.L. said, they have no connection. Â <span id='postcolor'> Exactly what i said too, Iraq and Bin Laden have only one connection, they both hate the US. Just like pretty much the whole East... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone here doubt OBL's great desire to see the US/UK attack Iraq? Any invasion would greatly strengthen Al Qaida around the globe. Their membership would skyrocket. <span id='postcolor'> It's bin Ladens wet dream. Anti-Americanism is experiencing a big renaissance in the Mid East. More people to AQ. Getting rid of Saddam fits them perfectly since he is a 'socialist infidel' as Osama put it. Btw. Is anybody here going to go demonstrating on Saturday (15/2)? There are going to be world wide demonstrations and they are counting on that they will be the largest since the Vietnam war. I'm considering on going out of curiosity - I've never been on a demonstration... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted February 12, 2003 Maybe one day Saddam and Bin Laden will be able to share a villa together somewhere in beautiful Brasil (if they shave) or maybe only in South Africa or only in Mogadishu. But be assured...the last persons to die in the war against terorism will be those two! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted February 12, 2003 In reply to "A question" by Gazoo: Because everyone in my country believes that war should never be supported... It's not because our allies support a war that we should support it too. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Could it be that France and Germany might have some vested intrests in seeing Iraq carry on as it has in the past? Why aren't they worried about Iraq supplying Nuclear and Chemical material (which we all know Iraq has) to terrorists? Some might argue they are worried about a reprisle attack if they support the U.S and England? That doesn't hold water with me. I believe Saddam and the entire Iraq command staff is too shifty to trust. So why...why why don't they support removing a dangerous person from a dangerous position?<span id='postcolor'> There has been no good proof yet that Iraq has such weapons, at least not now. The proof given a while ago isn't very convincing. We are not afraid of a reprisle attack because we know that whole Europe will defend us... just like they'd do for any other European country. We don't support it because there's more to it than just killing Saddam, the Iraqi people don't want an invasion, the countries near Iraq don't want an invasion. You don't see what you are doing. You are creating a disaster... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then I thought....hmmm...what if I was France and Germany? What if I had knowingly or unknowingly supplied Iraq with the equiptment it needed to produce some of its weapons? What if the invasion went through and they found all of the bad things I had given to the Iraqies? <span id='postcolor'> Haha, very funny but sad enough we have no reasons to give them weapons... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I'd protest an invasion of Iraq too.<span id='postcolor'> I'll always protest an invasion, not cuz we have given weapons, just because some people ignore what the Iraqi people and it's neighbours say. Everyone's blind for what they are creating... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2003 I don't know if you know this already but: 1) "bin Laden" is actully pronounced as "ben Laden" 2) Osama bin Laden means literally "Osama son of Laden". His father's name is Laden. So if for instance Bob was Osama's son he would be called Bob bin Osama.. ..just some trivia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted February 12, 2003 In these grave times there are still funny ways of protesting against US aggression: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Greenpeace stages mock inspection at US embassy Protesters Wednesday urged the US Embassy in Norway to submit to a mock weapons inspection, citing the United States' "material breach of international agreements." They were turned away. Dressed in white overalls, six "weapons inspectors" carried a letter for US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the heavily fortified embassy in downtown Oslo. The letter, a complaint addressed to embassy officials "for not cooperating," was intended to demonstrate the friction faced by UN inspectors Iraq who are searching for weapons of mass destruction. The protestors, members of Greenpeace, were stopped by embassy guards and several baton-wielding Norwegian riot police, as well as another 20 armed men who poured out of the embassy. "There was a lack of cooperation from the Embassy people," Greenpeace campaign director Truls Gulowsen told The Associated Press. "Norway is the country of the Nobel Peace Prize, and so we should stand for peace." Gulowsen said the group notified the embassy in advance by fax that it was holding the demonstration. He said the United States has its own weapons of mass destruction and said the country has violated several international disarmament treaties. The US embassy had no immediate comment. Support for a US-led war against Iraq in Norway is low. In a poll conducted late last month, 64 percent of Norwegians said they were against military action in Iraq. (AP) <span id='postcolor'> http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=489153 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Feb. 12 2003,17:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shabadu @ Feb. 12 2003,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> 'Nuff said<span id='postcolor'> file:///H:/displayattachment.jpg Songs and Chants for Peace -=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'> Damn Hippies . Gazzo, if you're reading this. I read your thread and you seem a little paranoid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 12 2003,19:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it's like WTF? Â Isn't every American and Canadian going to realize this is brainwashing propaganda? Â I mean, listen to everything O.B.L. said, they have no connection. Â <span id='postcolor'> [sarcasm]Thats because all bad people lie! [/sarcasm] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2003 This is getting pathetic: US trade sanctions against France and Germany? Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 12 2003,21:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is getting pathetic: US trade sanctions against France and Germany? Â <span id='postcolor'> what if europe did take economical sanctions against the USA ? all that is getting ridiculous , are the yanks playing the game of the "dumbest" ? we'll can always get lower , but where will this stop ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E6Hotel 0 Posted February 12, 2003 COW BLOOD? Â *barf* But seriously, how would this be much different than the Europroblems w/ our Frankenvegetables? Â And wouldn't our troops leaving Germany be a good thing? Semper Fi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Feb. 12 2003,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">COW BLOOD? Â *barf*<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, I know </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But seriously, how would this be much different than the Europroblems w/ our Frankenvegetables? <span id='postcolor'> The difference is very clear. We have strict laws on genetically altered food. These American vegetables have not gone through the testing required by the EU. That's why there are import restrictions. USA on the other hand is considering import restrictions as a punishment for a political disagreement. It's not because the French product are violating US law. This is a game that can be played by both sides and can get very dirty. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And wouldn't our troops leaving Germany be a good thing? <span id='postcolor'> In principle yes. I am however concerned to the consequences of it when it is done in anger and retaliation. Like it or not but Europe and USA are both economically and culturally dependant on each other. We have to find some middle ground and settle our differences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E6Hotel 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 12 2003,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The difference is very clear. We have strict laws on genetically altered food. These American vegetables have not gone through the testing required by the EU. That's why there are import restrictions. USA on the other hand is considering import restrictions as a punishment for a political disagreement. It's not because the French product are violating US law. This is a game that can be played by both sides and can get very dirty.<span id='postcolor'> Damn, I'm 0-2 against you today. Â [Vader]The Force is strong with this one.[/Vader] Semper Fi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Feb. 12 2003,21:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 12 2003,21:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is getting pathetic: US trade sanctions against France and Germany? Â <span id='postcolor'> what if europe did take economical sanctions against the USA ? all that is getting ridiculous , are the yanks playing the game of the "dumbest" ? we'll can always get lower , but where will this stop ?<span id='postcolor'> You wanna wrestle? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The difference is very clear. We have strict laws on genetically altered food. These American vegetables have not gone through the testing required by the EU.<span id='postcolor'> They don't teach us much about Agriculture in school. Exactly what does the US do to it's food? I mean it can't be that bad? We all grew up right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted February 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Feb. 12 2003,23:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They don't teach us much about Agriculture in school. Â Exactly what does the US do to it's food? Â I mean it can't be that bad? Â We all grew up right... <span id='postcolor'> Mosly genetic modifications to allow things like resistance to blight, or improved yields. I think the biggest wrorries about GM foods is that we dont know all the variations of problems that might arise from them. What if some GM strain of wheat prospers so well that it drives other wheat species to extinction, but then because of some blunder in the genetic modifications becomes sterile? Famine. Now, to another topic: Does anyone else find it sort of sad and pathetic that the US government is trying to push the latest bin Laden rant into proof that Iraq and Al Qaeda are linked? Especially when in the speach, bin Laden comes right out and says that he hopes the government of Saddam perishes? It almost seems like the US government will grasp at any straws they need to in order to prosecute their war on Iraq. I mean, mobile SAM batteries around NY and Washington airports, APC's at Heathrow, warnings of possible terror attacks and 'Orange Alert' for more than a week now? Classic propoganda actions. Create heightened fear, then say 'kicking Saddam's ass will help with this' in an effort to get peoples supports. Kinda transparent if you ask me. Of course, now something terrible will happen due to terrorists and I will feel like a total ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pukko 0 Posted February 12, 2003 Pathetic indeed, but most that have happened internationally, involving the US, since Bush junior became president seems to be (with big exeptions like the symbolic, but big indeed - was it $ 15 billion?, intention to aid African nations in fighting AIDS).. Some seems to consider the rising voices against a war in Iraq as bad. I would say its the 'least bad thing that could happen in this situation'. Because this situation is bad to the bones. If everyone kept quiet, shivering in fear of bad US relations, and the USA would be able to keep up the shine of 'good for all intentions' - while at the same time eliminating the UN - this would likely be the start of something so horrible that we rather not even think about it. I must say that I am very happy about the recent developments, not because its hurting UN, not because its hurting the USA, not because its hurting EU, not because its hurting NATO, but because its the only possible way to make the situation to the 'best it can be'. I have been sad, or even depressed, over the developments after 9/11, and have not been able to see much else than a very longlasting global conflict coming out of it. Some might have gained from it short-term, but in the long run everyone would be losers. But the latest developments make it hard or impossible for the USA to attack Iraq while at the same time keep up the good shine. There are many losers as it is, but if the conflict would have developed without opposition the USA would have attacked Iraq, and later [insert random evil nation here], with the maintained shine of 'the good heroes saving the world', we would soon be in the midst of a global conflict never before seen. As it is now, USA, UN, EU and NATO will all pay a high price, but the possibility of further US warmongering is severely reduced; and the long term global stabilisation is somewhat more positive/possible. Preemptive vaugly justified attacks does not make the world a better place, sitting on the ass trying to improve relations does (or at least have some chance of success)..... I thank you German, French and Beligian governments (and also the Swedish which has now adopted a similar line, even if more quieltly) for giving me hope of a better future Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2003 9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Feb. 12 2003,239)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They don't teach us much about Agriculture in school. Â Exactly what does the US do to it's food? Â I mean it can't be that bad? Â We all grew up right... <span id='postcolor'> I rest my case j/k The food is genetically altered and then not tested properly. I.e you grow potatoes the size of footballs by changing its DNA and start selling it without testing the effects on human health and without researching the ecological effects of it. Back on topic: NATO fails to resolve Turkey standoff...again The same problem as before. USA wants to send military support to Turkey now while France & Co want to wait for the UN report coming on friday and then deciding. Edit: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean, mobile SAM batteries around NY and Washington airports, APC's at Heathrow, warnings of possible terror attacks and 'Orange Alert' for more than a week now? Classic propoganda actions. <span id='postcolor'> This is so transparent. It's like a cattle dog moving a herd into a corral. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabadu 0 Posted February 12, 2003 May I say that I predicted trade-war between US and EU about three years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
