The Iraq Thread

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That could be argued since you are a European colony <span id='postcolor'>

War for independence ring a bell?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 11 2003,03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That could be argued since you are a European colony <span id='postcolor'>

War for independence ring a bell? <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, you ungrateful bastards! Not only did you not pay back all the money that we invested in that colony, but you started shooting at us!

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,03:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">,  <span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Soldiers like myself do not have a choice.  We do not decide the policies of the nation we defend. <span id='postcolor'>

Soldiers do have a choice. If you suspect your orders are illegal and you decide to disobey orders, you will be prosecuted but not executed. You do however decide the policies of your nation because as far as I know US soldiers are not prohibited from voting for their president.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We are the protectors of the US and its allies. I didn't choose the allies but i did swear an oath.  <span id='postcolor'>

We all do that by mutual agreement. Ever heard of Nato?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who poses the greatest risk in the world.  Iraq?, North Korea? Terrerists damn if i know.  <span id='postcolor'>

I'd go for terrorists and North Korea - in that order.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do know that Iraq is a boiling pot of danger to its neighbors and the world.  <span id='postcolor'>

Hardly! However, I'd say US poses a serious threat to Iraq, it's neighbours and the middle eastern region in general.

By attacking Iraq and setting up a puppet regime you will create a whole lot of antisentiments of the worlds muslims. The regions authoritarian regimes (supported by US) will have a hard time fighting off revolts and unrest. Guess what, but your "allies" of the middle east may tumble and the situation may run out of control - will you wage war on the whole region then?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They continue to lie and decieve the world.  <span id='postcolor'>

Hmm.....so does your government! Why do you suspect the rest of the world won't believe your so called "evidences" on Iraq's WMD's and your intentions in the first place?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the french and (germany) they act if the US did not help them in WWII.  <span id='postcolor'>

You did not fight those wars alone!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By all rights most of europe belongs to the US<span id='postcolor'>

Don't be silly!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">when the world needs help they demand american money, soldiers and support but in turn what do we get JACK ****.  Has any european country paid its debts back to the US no.  <span id='postcolor'>

If you are refering to the Marshall help I'd say you earned most from it by creating a market for your exports. I believe we paid you back - with interest. It was a win-win situation for all parts.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">France doenst want the war because they would lose money from arms deals and behind the back oil deals. <span id='postcolor'>

Among several things France has an econimic interest in Iraq because of it's oil contracts. It's a good point though, but there's more to it. France is also sceptical to a war on Iraq because of it's unforeseen consequenses - the same consequenses your government neclects.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Germany can just go kiss a cow. <span id='postcolor'>

Well, I believe Rumsfeldt would agree with you - but it doesn't make him more mature because of  that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the US decides that im going to war then im going its my job. <span id='postcolor'>

You are right. I hope you make it back alive and in one peace (not irony).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i have a debt myself to pay  to every veteran of the UNITED STATES  <span id='postcolor'>

In my mind you don't! You owe it to yourself - to do what is right. I hope you won't have to kill a single person - especially an innocent one.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,03:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 11 2003,03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That could be argued since you are a European colony <span id='postcolor'>

War for independence ring a bell? <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, you ungrateful bastards! Not only did you not pay back all the money that we invested in that colony, but you started shooting at us!    <span id='postcolor'>

Denoir..........you are talking about USA.....not Norway?

[farmcoot 0]

Speaking of Norway, I guess you guys being in NATO is quite beneficial, since the US and GBR contribute the most troops etc. Norway donates 10 troops, couple of jeeps?

[SGTKOPP 0]

yes we get to vote Maybe i didnt word it right Not allowed to openlly comment or put down polices. also the us does not force regimes on nations they are given a chance to choose. In afganistan the king was brought back from exile. The choice is up the liberated country. Do you believe that the average Iraqie has any input into the running of his counrty. Truely free people are allowed to choose. A truely free society would be chaos. But let the people speak and be heard. More then half of Iraq cannot read or write, Where are the childrens programs. There are 11million mines on the ground in Iraq Do the children play around or in the mine fields. I have been a combat engineer for 6 years been all over the world Kids dying for no reason is Bull**** Gasing your own people BULL**** But go ahead a let Saddam stay in power the nations that failed to support this war will be responsible for his WMD being used on his neighbors and his own people

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,03:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i have a debt myself to pay  to every veteran of the UNITED STATES  <span id='postcolor'>

I've noticed a rather large amount of veterans coming out against this war, both on a national and local level. That's particularly odd considering that my city is -literally- Bush country.

[SGTKOPP 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 11 2003,04:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,03:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i have a debt myself to pay  to every veteran of the UNITED STATES  <span id='postcolor'>

I've noticed a rather large amount of veterans coming out against this war, both on a national and local level. That's particularly odd considering that my city is -literally- Bush country.<span id='postcolor'>

no veteran wants to see young men go to war they have been there and seen what happens Veterans didnt believe in WWI or WWII Korea

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (farmcoot @ Feb. 11 2003,04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of Norway, I guess you guys being in NATO is quite beneficial, since the US and GBR contribute the most troops etc. Norway donates 10 troops, couple of jeeps?<span id='postcolor'>

Our nation consists of 4 500 000 people. Do you expect us to provide you with an army of 450 000 soldiers?

Besides that, Norway has historically provided Nato with valuable resources such as soldiers and knowledge of arctic warfare. Your Commando's and SAS regularely train in Norway supervised by norwegian instructors. We have also provided Nato with important radar installations and we have been known to spy a lot on our former enemy. Don't forget Norways geo-strategical importence in relation to the former Soviet union.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">couple of jeeps?<span id='postcolor'>

We don't use american crapcars - only germany's finest - Mercedes Geländewagen and Land Rover Defenders.   <!--emo&

And don't forget that the norwegian defence forces were considered (together with the finnish army) as one of the highest skilled soldiers in the 80's.

[SGTKOPP 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 11 2003,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And don't forget that the norwegian defence forces were considered (together with the finnish army) as one of the highest skilled soldiers in the 80's.<span id='postcolor'>

micheal jackson and big hair were big in the eighties too so hat what have you got now.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,08:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, you ungrateful bastards! Not only did you not pay back all the money that we invested in that colony, but you started shooting at us! <span id='postcolor'>

Because you were taxing us up the yin yang!

That'd be an interesting plot for OFP2.

[Mister 5 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 11 2003,04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 11 2003,08:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, you ungrateful bastards! Not only did you not pay back all the money that we invested in that colony, but you started shooting at us!    <span id='postcolor'>

Because you were taxing us up the yin yang! <span id='postcolor'>

The Swedes did no such thing!

That's the limey's department

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 10 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,03:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i have a debt myself to pay to every veteran of the UNITED STATES <span id='postcolor'>

I've noticed a rather large amount of veterans coming out against this war, both on a national and local level. That's particularly odd considering that my city is -literally- Bush country.<span id='postcolor'>

American lives are more important that Bush and his puppet regime. (or something like that)

And you finally got a fitting signature.

[FSPilot 0]

The europeans (specificall the British) did.

Ironically enough, the French came to our aid.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 11 2003,09:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've noticed a rather large amount of veterans coming out against this war, both on a national and local level. That's particularly odd considering that my city is -literally- Bush country.<span id='postcolor'>

I've noticed a lot of veterans in support of this war. This isn't a popularity contest.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 11 2003,04:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And you finally got a fitting signature.

<span id='postcolor'>

I knew you'd think it would fit. Because, after all, I'm here to humor you.

[OxPecker 0]

Bush has obviously made his mind up, nothing Iraq could do now would stop a war. Even if Iraq handed over it's entire (alleged) secret stash of WMD, America would still bomb them to teach them a lesson.

What can they do? If they really do have WMD, don't you think the USA bombing the crap out of them might force them to use them, either on their neighbours or on US itself?

Just give the UN a chance FFS, maybe they haven't acted as decisively or quickly as America might have wanted, but it's a better option than initiating an illegal war.

Fuuny thing is if Iraq did somehow smuggle a WMD into America as retaliation for a US attack, all the Bush supporters would feel vindicated and say "see, we told you so!".

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,04:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Veterans didnt believe in WWI...<span id='postcolor'>

What vets are you talking about here?  Civil War vets?

[brgnorway 0]

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,049)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">also the us does not force regimes on nations they are given a chance to choose.<span id='postcolor'>

Tough choice looking down a barrel. Do you remember what the people of Chile and Nicaragua chose?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In afganistan the king was brought back from exile.  The choice is up the liberated country. <span id='postcolor'>

The former king is only allowed back in the country. He is of no importance and is in today's populare rethoric - irrelevant. And how can you say Afghanistan is liberated? From Taliban yes - but look what they got instead? The same feud fights between rouge war lords that terrorized the country before Taliban seized power. Actually, that is the reason Taliban came to power in the first place!

And besides, do you think it is right to "force" democracy on anyone who has a different system? Wouldn't you call that etnocentric?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you believe that the average Iraqie has any input into the running of his counrty.  <span id='postcolor'>

No I don't! But if the general iraqi man and woman could choose between Saddam staying in power - or an american invasion, they would not choose the latter alternative. You see, for most iraqi there would be nothing worse than going back to colonial times. They sort of have a hard time forgeting the brittish rule through their "puppet" king Feisal. No wonder the first thing Saddam did when he seized power was to throw out British Petroleum.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Truely free people are allowed to choose.  A truely free society would be chaos.  But let the people speak and be heard.  <span id='postcolor'>

Do you realy believe the "american way" is best for all peoples of this planet?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">More then half of Iraq cannot read or write<span id='postcolor'>

I guess poverty and illiteracy is a problem in Iraq as in Saudi Arabia. But did you know that Iraq has one of the highest educated populations of the middle east?

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Feb. 11 2003,09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 11 2003,04:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And you finally got a fitting signature.

<span id='postcolor'>

I knew you'd think it would fit. Because, after all, I'm here to humor you.<span id='postcolor'>

did the kid just get smacked in the face or something? Looks like poison ivy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bush has obviously made his mind up, nothing Iraq could do now would stop a war. Even if Iraq handed over it's entire (alleged) secret stash of WMD, America would still bomb them to teach them a lesson.<span id='postcolor'>

Speculation.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What can they do? If they really do have WMD, don't you think the USA bombing the crap out of them might force them to use them, either on their neighbours or on US itself?<span id='postcolor'>

They're going to use them anyway.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just give the UN a chance FFS, maybe they haven't acted as decisively or quickly as America might have wanted, but it's a better option than initiating an illegal war.<span id='postcolor'>

They've had a chance for 12 years.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fuuny thing is if Iraq did somehow smuggle a WMD into America as retaliation for a US attack, all the Bush supporters would feel vindicated and say "see, we told you so!". <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, we did tell you so. And you didn't listen, and it ended up killing people.

[SGTKOPP 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Feb. 11 2003,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a better option than initiating an illegal war.

Fuuny thing is if Iraq did somehow smuggle a WMD into America as retaliation for a US attack, all the Bush supporters would feel vindicated and say "see, we told you so!".  <span id='postcolor'>

what exactly is a legal war jacka!! The point is that he never got rid of the weapons he had

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,04:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 11 2003,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And don't forget that the norwegian defence forces were considered (together with the finnish army) as one of the highest skilled soldiers in the 80's.<span id='postcolor'>

micheal jackson and big hair were big in the eighties too  so hat  what have you got now.   <span id='postcolor'>

[SGTKOPP 0]

[Mister 5 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Feb. 11 2003,04:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,04:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Veterans didnt believe in WWI...<span id='postcolor'>

What vets are you talking about here?  Civil War vets?<span id='postcolor'>

More likely, vets of the Spanish American War.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister 5 @ Feb. 11 2003,04:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Feb. 11 2003,04:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SGTKOPP @ Feb. 11 2003,04:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Veterans didnt believe in WWI...<span id='postcolor'>

What vets are you talking about here?  Civil War vets?<span id='postcolor'>

More likely, vets of the Spanish American War.<span id='postcolor'>

.......or could it be "Vets in practice" on BBC prime every tuesday?