The Forgotten Battles

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 07 2003,04:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 07 2003,041)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">coupled with a few handgun ownership.  <span id='postcolor'>

Hey! Wait a minute! Did Warin register his??

*goes to call the feds* <span id='postcolor'>

LOL! I dont have a hand gun. Just a desire to get one eventually

I do have Forgotten Battles though.

*waves his copy at all the Euros on the forum* Nyah!

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ Mar. 06 2003,22:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am a IRCop at EFnet, believe i am a "internet fascist" heavily infringing on peoples prviacy Telling AOL users you can tell they are downloading porn is more fun then you can ever imagine<span id='postcolor'>

See, I'm good at spotting special talents!

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Right, tommorow I shall march out and (maybe) buy a joystick.

What do you think is better, a Micro$oft Sidewinder Presicion Pro 2 or a Logitech thing (I like Logitech, I have a MX500) with that twisty handel (non force-feedback model, I'm not made of money)? Opinions welcome. Of course at the end of the day I DECIDE

I'm looking for the stick that will let me tame IL-2 and FB on realistic settings (by that I mean be able to shoot down a plane that it isn't a lumbering bomber   ) I'm fine when all realistic physics are off, I can really fly a plane them, and rake up the kills. But I want to go into a broader universe...

[Maraudeur 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Mar. 07 2003,01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 07 2003,137)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1- I agree with you, shame that the loadouts do not offers wider choice. (actually we just have max 500 Kgs bombs max , ineffective SD1 submunitions in dispensers AB250 anb 500 only... )<span id='postcolor'>

some il-2 servers let u go bombers where u can drop 5000pound bombs <span id='postcolor'>

its 5000kg, il2 uses the metric system, so dose ofp.<span id='postcolor'>

Yep

About those 5000 Kgs bombs, just can have them with thre Pe-8 russian bomber, and as long as it is a no flyable plane, you just can access it by modifying the .ini file and can control it only by the externals views, with a very primitive flying model.

This may be fun to try but not really interesting.

Weight of the bombs is not all, the type cares more ( and for submunitions cans, roquets ) ...

This is why I said for this point of view is shamefull.

Devceloppers followed the loudder or most whinning players and worked for dogfight point of view.

The air to ground sim now really sucks comparatively to the rest of the game.

See the HUGE difference from the Il-2 first release and what it became with patches, and now FB. Quite nothing ( except 190A5 loads ) for the ground attack.

I will be trully disgusted if the next patches do not pay attention to ground warfare and loadouts.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Maraudeur @ Mar. 07 2003,14:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I will be trully disgusted if the next patches do not pay attention to ground warfare and loadouts.<span id='postcolor'>

I expect this to change now that we have multi-engined flyable aircraft. Oleg himself's working on the Pe-2 and Pe-3 . Once people start flying bombers, they'll complain about the lack of loadout, and I expect Oleg will listen.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Right, tommorow I shall march out and (maybe) buy a joystick.

What do you think is better, a Micro$oft Sidewinder Presicion Pro 2 or a Logitech thing (I like Logitech, I have a MX500) with that twisty handel (non force-feedback model, I'm not made of money)? Opinions welcome. Of course at the end of the day I DECIDE

I'm looking for the stick that will let me tame IL-2 and FB on realistic settings (by that I mean be able to shoot down a plane that it isn't a lumbering bomber ) I'm fine when all realistic physics are off, I can really fly a plane them, and rake up the kills. But I want to go into a broader universe...

<span id='postcolor'>

Smart move, you need a stick to enjoy this game. I would really advise you to get force feedback...I can't fly effectively without it anymore! but I know it's not cheap. As for the twist handle on the Logitech sticks, i consider that more a flaw than a feature. One of the first things I did was lock it in place

[Maraudeur 0]

Thank you for the screenshoots TEX !

[Maraudeur 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 07 2003,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 07 2003,043)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 07 2003,04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">coupled with a few handgun ownership.  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Hey! Wait a minute! Did Warin register his??

*goes to call the feds* <span id='postcolor'>

LOL!  I dont have a hand gun.  Just a desire to get one eventually

I do have Forgotten Battles though.

*waves his copy at all the Euros on the forum* Nyah!<span id='postcolor'>

Well

I am 50% anarchist and 50% communist ( said a political test monthes ago LOL ! )

I, really, truelly have a very ruthless dictator behaviour and own, ouch, many fireweapons.

I do not own FB yet

And not interested to become a mod.

Hum.....

Please, Warin, come visit Paris with your FB copy

[WhoCares 0]

I don't know, whether my machine (AMD TB900, SD512MB, GF2GTS) will be able to handle FB properly. It already struggles now with IL2, eg. while fighting over Sevastopol... I am considering to get me a new Graphic Card, a Ti4200. It just seems to be imposible to find 4xAGP cards with this chip anymore. I don't benefit from 8xAGP (not supported by the MoBo) an I wonder whether there is any difference in the price between those...

About my stick, it's among the cheapest of the cheapest (Tevion/Aldi; the germans know what I mean). While I am not sure, whether I would have it easier with a more sophisticated stick, I like its layout, with throttle, coolie hat and three fire buttons (cannon, rockets, bombs) easy accessable with the thumb. I don't like the idea with thottle and buttons on the foot like with the sidewinder, as it forces my left hand always to switch between joystick and keyboard...

But I guess all this won't make me a better pilot anyway. I got the game ~3weeks ago. After 40 missions as a russian fighter pilot, I scored 52 victories with 35 crashes Okay, about 10 of those crashes were bad landings and 75% of the victories were Junkers or Heinkels...

And screw those campaign designers, that sat me in a P39 after I got familiar with the La5FN  

[Tex -USMC- 0]

One thing I have noticed is that AA and AAA fire has improved its accuracy. Dramatically. You can't ignore ground fire any more- well, you can, but I wouldn't reccomend it.

I'd be playing this game non-stop, but the Raven Shield demo has me doing my damnedest to create a tactical plan so foolproof that even the AI (which is improved, but still kind of dopey) can execute it with something approaching 80% efficiency. Frustrating, but fun- I've learned alot about how the AI functions and that the most effective way to kill large numbers of terrorists is a 3-point breach entry .

[Tovarish 0]

Did you guys see todays development update?!?

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[WhoCares 0]

@Tovarish: Maybe you can animate Oleg to build this flying tank you once posted in the 'Guess the plane' thread

[Supah 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 07 2003,17:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did you guys see todays development update?!?

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgott....B_5.jpg

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet <span id='postcolor'>

That looks like fun! Would the planes return to "the mothership" as the did with zeppelins like the hindenburg? Or just land at a airstrip which seems the save thing to do.

[dayglow 2]

lol, I saw a thread on the IL2 board where a guy gets vulchers with a Pe8 w/5000kg bomb. The vulchers can't resist the big, juicy target a lumbering bomber gives them and when they dive down to attack he drops the bomb from really low alt. No one escapes the blast

Tex, how much ram does your system have? I've seen reports that 512 seems to be the acceptable min with the game and 1024 is a lot better. Interested to know if I should start saving for another stick of ram.

COLINMAN

[Tex -USMC- 0]

640 mbs of RDRAM. You can credit OFP for that little upgrade lol. Currently, the weakest link in my PC is the CPU, which is just a 1.3 Ghz P4. My GeForce 3 is getting a little crotchety, but it must not be that bad if I can still run most games with high detail AND anti-aliasing. Not bad for a card that's over two years old. Having all that RAM kicks ass though; I think I've heard my hard drive kick in maybe 3 times in the past month  

Incidentally, if I do suddenly decide to buy a new 3D card (in the $200-300 price range), what should I go for?

[Badgerboy 0]

That is just wrong!

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 07 2003,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">640 mbs of RDRAM. You can credit OFP for that little upgrade lol. Currently, the weakest link in my PC is the CPU, which is just a 1.3 Ghz P4. My GeForce 3 is getting a little crotchety, but it must not be that bad if I can still run most games with high detail AND anti-aliasing. Not bad for a card that's over two years old. Having all that RAM kicks ass though; I think I've heard my hard drive kick in maybe 3 times in the past month  

Incidentally, if I do suddenly decide to buy a new 3D card (in the $200-300 price range), what should I go for?<span id='postcolor'>

Are you talking US$? If so, damn pretty much anything Seriously I'd wait a month or so so that the GFfx is released and Ati releases it's 9800 (r350 core) That should cause a really nice price drop in the 9700pro. You should be able to pick it up then.

Damn a 1.3 P4? Didn't know they made them that low I'd think for a ofp/il2 that a stronger cpu would make a huge difference, much more than a gc would. Myself I've seen a big leap when I went from a 1.4 to 1.8 amd chip.

COLINMAN

[Warin 0]

The only problem for poor Tex is that if he's got a 1.3, it's likely in the original P4 packaging, not the current Northwood package. And that means to upgrade the CPU, he's going to have to upgrade his motherboard at the same time!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 07 2003,19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only problem for poor Tex is that if he's got a 1.3, it's likely in the original P4 packaging, not the current Northwood package.  And that means to upgrade the CPU, he's going to have to upgrade his motherboard at the same time!<span id='postcolor'>

what he said

[Aaron Kane 0]

Well I just witnessed a Lagg3 do a 90 degree pass on a Ju52, guns blazing. All his rounds appeared to hit, and he flew away.

It also seems that the AI does some ridiculously hard head on shots with ungodly high accuracy. I'll go check the Il2 forums and see if this has been mentioned... if not, I'll sit around and mope/pout.

[Tovarish 0]

I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it!

(did I mention that I got it?)

Just got home, took Il-2 out of my CD drive and started installing Forgotten Battles. Downside is I'll only have about an hour to try it out! I have to go out drinking tonight . And tomorrow morning I have to be at school once again to work on a group project, and in the afternoon I have to babysit for my parents! Then sunday I have a 9 hour shift at work....and then my March break (so called) is over!!! Dammit!

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 08 2003,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it! I got it!

(did I mention that I got it?)

Just got home, took Il-2 out of my CD drive and started installing Forgotten Battles. Downside is I'll only have about an hour to try it out! I have to go out drinking tonight . And tomorrow morning I have to be at school once again to work on a group project, and in the afternoon I have to babysit for my parents! Then sunday I have a 9 hour shift at work....and then my March break (so called) is over!!! Dammit!<span id='postcolor'>

I think you should cut down your hours of sleep to 1 so you can get more done in a day Better buy a supply depot full of caffine based foods and drinks though

Right, I do plan to buy a joystick today. I will look at the Force Feedbacks since they are highly recomended by a trusted flyer, but I will have to really like them to justify spending nearly $200 AU (About $110 US) to get a vibrating stick that is known to cause health problems to people hands after prologned use. But still, it does make it more realistic...

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 08 2003,01:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but I will have to really like them to justify spending nearly $200 AU (About $110 US) to get a vibrating stick that is known to cause health problems to people hands after prologned use. But still, it does make it more realistic...<span id='postcolor'>

Can't be any more damaging than that other activity you use your hand for.

[SFG 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 08 2003,02:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 08 2003,01:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but I will have to really like them to justify spending nearly $200 AU (About $110 US) to get a vibrating stick that is known to cause health problems to people hands after prologned use. But still, it does make it more realistic...<span id='postcolor'>

Can't be any more damaging than that other activity you use your hand for.<span id='postcolor'>

[Tex -USMC- 0]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 07 2003,211)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 07 2003,19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only problem for poor Tex is that if he's got a 1.3, it's likely in the original P4 packaging, not the current Northwood package.  And that means to upgrade the CPU, he's going to have to upgrade his motherboard at the same time!<span id='postcolor'>

what he said<span id='postcolor'>

Strike that- I did my research, and realised I actually have the 850 chipset @ 400Mhz, which means I can upgrade as high as 2.0 Ghz. Let the upgradeage begin!  

[Warin 0]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 08 2003,030)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 07 2003,21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 07 2003,19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only problem for poor Tex is that if he's got a 1.3, it's likely in the original P4 packaging, not the current Northwood package.  And that means to upgrade the CPU, he's going to have to upgrade his motherboard at the same time!<span id='postcolor'>

what he said<span id='postcolor'>

Strike that- I did my research, and realised I actually have the 850 chipset @ 400Mhz, which means I can upgrade as high as 2.0 Ghz. Let the upgradeage begin!  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the chipset isnt a guarantee that you'll be able to get a new processor.

The 850 chipset boards were built in both 423 pin and 478 pin socket configurations.

If you have the 423 pin original form factor P4 socket, stick a fork in you, you're done.

If you have the 478 pin socket mobo, you're good to go.

Do you know the model of your motherboard?