Boris Nemtsov - Anti-Putinist - Shot and Killed

[froggyluv 2136]

The screenshot is from a livestream which went on for a few hours.

Pravda - Who killed Boris Nemtsov?

Here we go:

North Korean media at its finest. Wait, you mean thats not from North Korea? Oh...

A bit of background from wikipedia:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-7o01LXIAA_GBq.jpg

"Hello Barack! Why did you shoot Nemtsov?"

Artist: Marian Kamensky

This can't be real..is it? Was about to pull the most ridiculous sentence and post it but the entire piece stands as equal contender of utter horse shit.. Not only is it a shame that Russians are willing to swallow this, it's pretty damn frightening as well. When people get to the point of watching an actual murder unfold right before them only to accept the most absurd of reasons why blatant guilty party "didn't do it" -we have reached a precarious threshold as a human race.

Tho, 'Yellow Cake Iraq War in response to 911' should have been a Game Over as well for certain individuals who shall remain unnamed..

[spooky lynx 73]

Nemtsov totally failed in politics and now has almost zero influence. That's why he was one of the best persons in the role of an opposition leader, both for Kremlin and mentioned by you nationalists. Both could point at him and say "Look what a dope leads an opposition! Do you really want them to get in power?" and get predictable answer "Hell no!".

[mistyronin 1181]

The problem of this specific event is that Putin is already famous for murdering his political opponents, so obviously the blame falls on him.

The Western countries or Ukraine would not benefit from that dead, so IMHO they are not related.

Which reduces the options to Putin himself as a twisted propaganda plot to incriminate the West or Ukraine, or any one in his party that wants to see him lose some popularity.

[Tonci87 163]

Or simply to send a message to his more powerfull (and better protected) rivals.

[spooky lynx 73]

The problem of this specific event is that Putin is already famous for murdering his political opponents, so obviously the blame falls on him.

And you surely can bring some official conclusions made by law enforcement organisations (not only Russian), do you?

The Western countries or Ukraine would not benefit from that dead, so IMHO they are not related.

The same murderings sparked the protesters on maidan, in Syria, Libya. So...

Which reduces the options to Putin himself as a twisted propaganda plot to incriminate the West or Ukraine, or any one in his party that wants to see him lose some popularity.

So-called 'color revolutions' are famous for strange murderings of people which are exploited as inflaming of protests and making people more enraged. So I'm not surprised in this case at all.

[mistyronin 1181]

And you surely can bring some official conclusions made by law enforcement organisations (not only Russian), do you?

I'm pretty sure you can find them easily, they are public.

The same murderings sparked the protesters on maidan, in Syria, Libya. So...

The Western countries don't need to use that kind of subterfuges.

You already seen in actual conflicts that the Western countries leaders are more straight forward.

The only one that needs to use that kind of schemes is Putin, because Russia is weak and doesn't have enough strength to act directly nor almost any ally that supports it ( after all, no government in the entire World trusts Putin's Russia ).

Edited March 1, 2015 by MistyRonin

[oxmox 73]

Dead opposition in Russia: Shot, poisoned, strangled

The murdered Boris Nemtsov posthumously revered by many for his courage. He had previously criticized the Kremlin, as already Anna Politkovskaya, Natalia Estemirova or Boris Berezovsky. They all died a violent death.

The death of Anna Politkovskaya had caused a stir in 2006.

The Russian former secret agent Alexander Litvinenko died in November 2006 in a London hospital.

The human rights activist Natalia Estemirova was found shot dead in the Russian North Caucasus conflict region in July 2009.

The lawyer Sergei Magnitsky died seriously ill in November 2009 in agony in his prison cell without medical help.

The Russian oligarch and former multimillionaire Boris Berezovsky was found dead at his home in Ascot in London in March 2013.

Spiegel Report

This is only a part of the list of murdered Journalists, Agents, opposition members, Oligarchs....etc.

The amount of murdered people and often refered to investigative journalism and oppositional work besides influential economical tycoons was raising in the years. Some of the investigations did lead to convictions of those responsible for such killings, other cases did not got solved and infos about the responsible backers for the killigs are left in the dark.

But such homicides did not only happen since Putin was elected like some may think, a bigger amount of similar cases did already happen during the Jelzin Era from 1992-1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

Edited March 1, 2015 by oxmox

[chrisb 196]

This thread is full of people that have a very tunnelled view of the world. Maybe more should stand to one side and look at things in a different way. More or less every major government is corrupt or corruptible. There is no secret to this, its there if you open your eyes, look, think, read. The same goes for many media outlets, they have agendas, twisting views, cover up or plain panic when things get out of hand.

Its just how things are in this world and unfortunately its really always been like that. We have to just bump along in it, obviously many with their eyes firmly fixed on what's in front and not to each side. Its a shame really, people no longer think much and are ready to accept what's given to them.

That applies to any side, East/West, there is very little difference when it boils down to it. Where there is great power, there is huge corruption..

[Sub-Human 10]

For once, I believe there is the possibility that Putin is not -directly- behind that (or to be clear, did not commissioned). Nemtsov was not a treat to him, he was perhaps an outstanding voice, but could not pose as a leader of the democratic forces in Russia...

Putin is a small man with many inferiority complexes. Nemtsov has called him 'fecked in the head', commented his size (both physically and politically). He was planning on writing a book on war in the Ukraine. Don't think of Putin as a rational man. For all we know - he had enough of these insults and laughs (as he received during school) and decided to get rid of Nemtsov once and for all.

Nemtsov was a leader. In fact, Yeltsin wanted him to be the heir instead of Putin, but Nemtsov was pushing for economic reforms and got into odds with other politicians, who just wanted to steal money from the treasury. He was largely responsible for founding the current anti-corruption movement, exposing Putin's mansions, jets, yachts. Navalny, although a significant figure, simply does not have the experience.

Regarding the 80% Popularity...How are the poll conducted?

Two factors, really:

1) No real opposition that the people know about (from their TVs). There's the Putin, and... who else? If you started broadcasting the opinions of anti-Putinists on national channels, you would likely see a large change in those numbers.

2) Russians believe their Kiselev programs. They think Obama began Maidan to start a proxy war against Putin, there's a freemason conspiracy against great Russian people in the face of Jewish bankers and CIA agents, and that Ukrainian fascists incinerate Russian speakers.

Nemtsov totally failed in politics and now has almost zero influence.

What? Does it feel good to get paid to write this?

[mistyronin 1181]

This thread is full of people that have a very tunnelled view of the world. Maybe more should stand to one side and look at things in a different way. More or less every major government is corrupt or corruptible. There is no secret to this, its there if you open your eyes, look, think, read. The same goes for many media outlets, they have agendas, twisting views, cover up or plain panic when things get out of hand.

I wonder in how many countries have you lived ChrisB, because I lived in a good bunch and it's amazing how different are their levels of corruption and authoritarianism.

As my fav. Economist says, thieves are scattered proportionally around the globe, but its the different political system who rewards or punish them.

Usually as more authoritarian a government is, more corruption.

In countries like Russia, are exaggerated the levels of corruption. In Mexico you could pay almost any Police officers, because their salaries were really low. In Spain all people I met there tried to avoid paying taxes. And for example here in Finland corruption and crime is almost non-existent.

To give you and idea here in Finland you can even leave your cell phone and wallet in a restaurant table in Helsinki and go to the toilet, and when you come back they will still be there, I proved that a lot of times. While in any city in Spain it would had disappeared in seconds ( also proved ).

And in certain countries in South-America you need an armored vehicle and bodyguards if you are to conduct certain business that in Spain or in Finland you would conduct alone ( also proved personally ).

If you can't see the differences or %... then maybe it's your view that is really tunnelled...

[beastcat 14]

That's quite a lot of people and most importantly they all came volunterally and without getting paid.





Police arresting people with "provacative" flags.




There are people demonstrating in St. Petersburg as well.





Kinda refreshing seeing russian flags without any novorossiyas, georgs-bands or dnrs and stuff like that. Edited March 1, 2015 by beastcat

[chrisb 196]

I wonder in how many countries have you lived ChrisB, because I lived in a good bunch and it's amazing how different are their levels of corruption and authoritarianism.

As my fav. Economist says, thieves are scattered proportionally around the globe, but its the different political system who rewards or punish them.

Usually as more authoritarian a government is, more corruption.

In countries like Russia, are exaggerated the levels of corruption. In Mexico you could pay almost any Police officers, because their salaries were really low. In Spain all people I met there tried to avoid paying taxes. And for example here in Finland corruption and crime is almost non-existent.

To give you and idea here in Finland you can even leave your cell phone and wallet in a restaurant table in Helsinki and go to the toilet, and when you come back they will still be there, I proved that a lot of times. While in any city in Spain it would had disappeared in seconds ( also proved ).

And in certain countries in South-America you need an armored vehicle and bodyguards if you are to conduct certain business that in Spain or in Finland you would conduct alone ( also proved personally ).

If you can't see the differences or %... then maybe it's your view that is really tunnelled...

:rolleyes:

So what's your view of the UK here ?

[beastcat 14]

These damn provocateurs are everywhere!

http://youtu.be/ggotG5RYFLQ

Nemtsov on Echo Moskvy a few hours before he was murdered.

[Sub-Human 10]

That's quite a lot of people and most importantly they all came volunterally and without getting paid.

According to statistics, only 51 thousand came. This is embarassing, surely Moscow can field 500 thousand, for the death of one of the brightest political activists and personas in modern Russia. The people are truly brainwashed.

[Tonci87 163]

According to statistics, only 51 thousand came. This is embarassing, surely Moscow can field 500 thousand, for the death of one of the brightest political activists and personas in modern Russia. The people are truly brainwashed.

What statistics? You know that Moscow always downplays the size of anti gov demonstrations and exagerates the numbers of pro Putin marches.

[mistyronin 1181]

So what's your view of the UK here ?

I haven't lived in the UK, nor been close to it's political situation. So I have almost no view. I guess that the corruption levels in UK should be lower than in Spain but higher than in Finland.

But in a completely different league of the ones where Russia or South American countries are.

[Sub-Human 10]

What statistics? You know that Moscow always downplays the size of anti gov demonstrations and exagerates the numbers of pro Putin marches.

Well, first of all, 500 thousand and 50 thousand people are on a completely different scale. There was nowhere near to half a million present on the march.

Second, I believe Moscow police said there were 7 thousand present, so they have already 'downplayed' it.

It's embarassing, a city like Paris (with a third of Moscow's population) got a million people, in the memory of four journalists. It is a very sad, but true picture of Russian society today - complete apathy and brainwashing.

[sudayev 27]

Interesting fact...

Many of street cameras covering the area where Boris Nemtsov was gunned down where switched of due to maintenance works. Nevertheless there is little video evidence left

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11442967/CCTV-footage-shows-moment-that-Russian-opposition-leader-was-gunned-down.html

[ProfTournesol 956]

For once, I believe there is the possibility that Putin is not -directly- behind that (or to be clear, did not commissioned).

Even if Putin isn't directly responsible (we'll probably never know...), the propaganda spread by the state controlled medias is probably responsible for that murder, calling every people that dares to criticize his expansionist policy a traitor.

[chrisb 196]

I haven't lived in the UK, nor been close to it's political situation. So I have almost no view. I guess that the corruption levels in UK should be lower than in Spain but higher than in Finland.

But in a completely different league of the ones where Russia or South American countries are.

Cash for questions.. & access.. & peerage.. & knighthoods..

Illegal wars (tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent people slaughtered) thinking Iraq of course. Let alone Afghanistan.

Looks as though its now Paedophile rings at the top. Children’s homes and possibly local government and a rather nasty DJ :rolleyes: (whole other story), used to supply these children to the said rings. Some children's homes conveniently left out of the main investigation into this, those that could really open a can of worms.

The odd, yet convenient occasional suicide.

Reports withheld or held up for years, costing millions.

MoD financial black hole or establishment cash grab.;)

UK gov/establishment/royals… Can’t make some of this stuff up, those are just a few examples and are all pretty recent, within the last decade or so, its all out there to read about. Some of those are probably still going on today. There are many other things too.

We have a general election coming up this year, pretty soon in-fact. We can vote for the party that is backed (paid for) by the bankers & hedge funds.

Or alternatively we can vote for the party that is backed (paid for) by the unions.

Or, we could vote for one of the others, those with no hope of getting in power at all, unless we have a coalition again. Not a coalition of the main two parties (god forbid), but one main party coupled with a very weak party..

All the above things, go across the two main parties. Just as guilty as each other.

The West, freedom and fairness. :rolleyes: Yes, but who are usually on the receiving end of our 'un-fairness'..:(

I love this country, just unfortunately we have to put up with what most countries have to, corruption, and embezzlement, along of course, with the occasional illegal war. Because of the people who always end up in charge. It never changes.

[spooky lynx 73]

What? Does it feel good to get paid to write this?

Don't know the country you are live in (and how much are you paid for anti-Putin and pro-UA posts) but I remember very good the times of him being among government members. The same corrpution (google for his friend Boris Brevnov, 29-year guy known to Nemtsov from Nizhny Novgorod, quickly became top-manager of RAO JES but totally failed and been kicked out) as among current officials. Incompetence in the field he governed - energetics.

[sudayev 27]

Warsaw (AFP) - Poland's Senate speaker Bogdan Borusewicz said Monday that Russia had denied him entry for the funeral of outspoken opposition activist Boris Nemtsov, who was gunned down in central Moscow on Friday.

"I wanted to pay respect to the slain Boris Nemtsov and to all Russians who think like him. But I have just learnt Russian authorities will not allow me to attend the funeral in Moscow," said Borusewicz, a key communist-era dissident and founding member of Poland's anti-regime Solidarity movement.

more here...

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-poland-senate-speaker-says-russia-denies-him-entry-for-nemtsov-funeral-2015-3

It appears that Russia without making any official statements imposed entry denials on selected members of Polish parliament.

[vilas 477]

not only Polish politician was rejected of funeral but also Latvian,

[orcinus 121]

Whatever Nemtsov's past (and the same must be said about some of the oligarchs who have been murdered after falling out with Putin) it seems clear that anyone who poses a significant threat to Putin and his cronies ends up murdered.

@ChrisB, agree with most of what you say.

Re the VIP paedophiles: most of the press & the BBC have largely ignored the story, with the exception of the Mirror Group and some re-reporting by the Independent and the Guardian. However the main source is the investigative journalist coop Exaro News (http://www.exaronews.com/channel/uk) with which the Mirror group has been working. If you really want to see how utterly vile is part of the UK establishment, have a dig.

Be warned, there are (non-graphic) accounts of the torture, rape, and even murder of children involving senior Tories in particular - read the accounts (from victims. and from past & present serving police officers who had their enquiries shut down) and you will understand why the overwhelmingly right-wing press has barely covered the stories; especially in light of the recent - to coin a phrase in keeping with the subject matter - orgy of necrophiliac anilingus after Thatcher died.

May's shenanigans on setting up the formal enquiry did not surprise me in the least. She isn't especially intelligent, but devious and very ambitious. She would end her chances of becoming PM (an apalling prospect) if she was responsible for the complete trashing of the reputations of Thatcher, Keith Joseph, Rhodes Boyson and others.

Latest move is to extend the enquiry back to 1945 (!) which should keep the enquiry busy for the next decade or so. As for "can of worms", I don't expect the exclusion of Kincora to be reversed. The security srvices have been involved in covering for politicians for a very long time; including siezing files from journalists and even the Labour ex-Cabinet minister Barbara Castle.

PS to all readers: please do not post the names of living persons here, whatever you might find on the Internet. UK libel laws are some of the most draconian in the developed world. Some of the people alleged to be involved are both very powerful and very wealthy. You have been warned.

Hmm, somewhat OT, sorry.

[chrisb 196]

@Orcinus:

Yes, I know lots of details about this, have been following it for quite some time, but didn't want to put too many details. The details are out there for people to find, not the usual press for the most in-depth details. The details have been available for quite some time, but basically ignored by the officials that should not be ignoring them. However, now things are coming more to the surface so its getting harder for them to bury the info that's out there.

I mention this really to highlight the case when posters directly accuse (East) governments of being evil, in the misled thought that Western governments are not as bad. Well some are as bad if not worse, this type of thing reaches out to many organisations, governments and countries. Reading the normal news outlets gets you very little info, you have to dig if you see something to get the truer nature of what is happening.

I agree with you @Orcinus, what you say is true in your post.

However, the inquiry/investigation will be strung out for years in the hope that some of the perpetrators die (naturally), those from years ago. Many are dead and some very old, but it still goes on (allegedly), so there will have to be some kind of results. But I doubt it will be one that punishes either politicians, police, security services, social services the establishment figures etc. It reaches far and wide unfortunately, so it will be a case of trying to cover it up, which this time I think they will find hard.

Anyway, this is off topic to some extent, but not when it concerns talk of how governments act and behave. Some talk as if the Western governments are all pretty much fine, they're not, especially the two that tend to be happy to go to war.. They simply hide it better, well really, they just want people to read and watch the outlets that are willing to down play such news. We know who most of those outlets are, well some of us.

Pie & Mash Films.. Start there.. Its unusual, you have to be open minded, but dig from that and away you go.

I'll not link. As Orcinus said, no names, you'll find out most, by simply looking around.