Russia General

[vilas 477]

will such new PC be available abroad ? if it will be stronger than Intel and cheaper than Athlon than would be interested

[d_lukin 16]

Because the workstation and the server are manufactured in small quantities and mainly to the state structures, price at the moment is very high.

For example workstation ÐРМ Ð­Ð»ÑŒÐ±Ñ€ÑƒÑ 401-PC based on the processor Elbrus-4C costs about ~$ 3900

Claimed peak performance Elbrus-4C is 50 gigaflops, which allows taking into account only the figure, place the chip in the domestic conditional table somewhere between announced in 2008 Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 (40 GFLOPS), and shown in 2010 six-core AMD Phenom II X6 1075T (55,6 gigaflops).

brief description CPU:

Operating temperature range -60 ... + 85 degrees. C :eek:

Features Ð­Ð»ÑŒÐ±Ñ€ÑƒÑ 401-PC

o 1 processor Elbrus-4C (1891VM8YA)

o controller peripheral interfaces CPI (1991VG1YA)

o video controller Silicon Motion SM718 output through DVI + VGA connector

o 24 GB of RAM modules c DIMM DDR3-1600 ECC (up to 96 GB)

o FLASH BIOS chip

o mSATA SSD drive with 120 GB.

o CompactFlash card 16GB (for storage of binary translator)

o 3D Graphics Card ATI Radeon 6000 series;

o Hard drive 500 GB SATA 2.0 3.5 ";

o The housing format MiniTower;

o Monitors, keyboards, graphic manipulator. :confused:

Generally not suitable for ArmaA ;)

Edited June 18, 2015 by D_Lukin

[vilas 477]

Generally not suitable for ArmaA

who need PC if he doesn't play BIS games

at least Memento Mori will run on it ?

[srbknight 925]

(The Interpreter) Gorbachev Confirms There Was No NATO ‘Non-Expansion’ Pledge (October 13-19)

Already talked in this forums ad eternum.

What on Earth are you saying? How do you reach that conclusion? As seems to be now trendy you confuse not liking Russia's Gov. policies and hating Russia.

Not only I have a good amount of Russian friends; including part of my legal family is from Russia (like my father-in-law). It's precisely because I love Russia that I hate how Putin's Gov. is destroying it.

The US or any country can legally send weapons to the sovereign and democratically elected government of Ukraine. Russian FSB elements created the war in Donbass and the Kremlin fuels it.

Already talked in this thread ad eternum.

Just to clarify my nick is MistyRonin. Flamebaiting is not allowed in this forums.

This thread is about Russia. And NATO intervened in Serbia to stop the violence in Europe (based on international agreements).

Already talked in this forums ad eternum.

however you can ask every Russian in (RUSSIA) what it think about actual government and he will say everything great Putin is hated by most western because he starts to bring country on course out of US influence and that is creating for you problem not for Russians.

And i can't see how is he destroying his country i think Yeltsin have fix the country right ??

And isn't US actually bring chaos in Ukraine cause the Yanukovich is decide to not sign agreement with EU that happened in Syria and Libya look that countries before "democracy" and look them now !

Edited June 18, 2015 by SRBKnight

[Tonci87 163]

however you can ask every Russian in (RUSSIA) what it think about actual government and he will say everything great Putin is hated by most western because he starts to bring country on course out of US influence and that is creating for you problem not for Russians.

And i can't see how is he destroying his country i think Yeltsin have fix the country right ??

And isn't US actually bring chaos in Ukraine cause the Yanukovich is decide to not sign agreement with EU that happened in Syria and Libya look that countries before "democracy" and look them now !

So much ignorance and delusion....

[srbknight 925]

So much ignorance and delusion....

Because i am Serb ?

[mistyronin 1181]

however you can ask every Russian in (RUSSIA) what it think about actual government and he will say everything great Putin is hated by most western because he starts to bring country on course out of US influence and that is creating for you problem not for Russians.

As I told you I have a lots of friends who are Russian, a good amount of them in Russia. And no, they don't think the same as you. You seem to have a particular vision of how all Russians are.

And i can't see how is he destroying his country i think Yeltsin have fix the country right ??

Destroying its economy, it's foreign relations, its few democratic rights (freedom of speech the most important), impoverishing its people, etc.

And isn't US actually bring chaos in Ukraine cause the Yanukovich is decide to not sign agreement with EU that happened in Syria and Libya look that countries before "democracy" and look them now !

You know that elections had been rigged in Ukraine for more than a decade to get Yanukovich to win, just check the Orange Revolution in 2014. The Russian Gov. brought chaos for a lot of years, and finally the Ukrainian people got tired of that.

Remember that it was the parliament elected that ousted Yanukovich, his own party voted in favor too.

Edited June 18, 2015 by MistyRonin

[gammadust 12]

(...)

So much ignorance and delusion....

[Tonci87 163]

Because i am Serb ?

I really don´t care where someone comes from.

[oxmox 73]

(The Interpreter) Gorbachev Confirms There Was No NATO ‘Non-Expansion’ Pledge (October 13-19)

Already talked in this forums ad eternum.

from the same article you linked - Gorbatschov:

"The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are obeyed."

There were talks about NATO and Germany but also also about the expansion in general:

Foreign Minister Baker & Genscher mentioning about NATO expansion

Nato is misquoting Mikhail Gorbachev (The Guardian March 8th, 2015)

Nato’s spokesperson, Oana Lungescu (Letters, 6 March) shamelessly misquotes Mikhail Gorbachev to support her contention that the alliance never gave a commitment not to take in new members. She writes: “Gorbachev said: ‘The topic of “Nato expansion†was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years.’â€

Readers might wonder which years Gorbachev was referring to. The interview from which that sentence is taken makes clear that he had in mind, in fact, the years 1990-91, when German reunification was on the cards and a promise was given not to deploy Nato forces in the former East Germany (a promise which Gorbachev says has been kept to this day). He goes on to say that the question of expanding Nato further afield did not even arise at that time, because “not a single east European country suggested it, even after the demise of the Warsaw pact in 1991. Western leaders didn’t raise the issue either.â€

But when the matter did arise, in 1993, Gorbachev says: “I from the very start called it a great mistake. It was certainly a violation of the spirit of those declarations and assurances that we were given in 1990.â€

“We now have a crisis in European relations. One of its causes, though not the only one, is the unwillingness of our western partners to take account of Russia’s point of view, legitimate interests and security. Verbally, they applauded Russia, especially during the Yeltsin years, but in deeds they took no account of it. I am thinking mainly of Nato’s enlargement, the plans to deploy a missile shield, and the west’s actions in areas important to Russia (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine).

They literally told us: it’s not your business. As a result an abscess built up, and burst.â€

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/nato-is-misquoting-mikhail-gorbachev

*If the US would not have stepped too much on Russians toes with its international conflicts loosing them and kicked off from contracts with billions of $ because of regime changes, meddling in & support "color revolutions" in eastern countries but also in other parts of the world, anti-missile shield announces, by all means with critics about Russia, but without intervening too much into the sphere of interests of Russia we would have not seen the problems we see nowadays.

Its a geopolitical conflict where two spheres of interests collide .....

Edited June 18, 2015 by oxmox

[srbknight 925]

As I told you I have a lots of friends who are Russian, a good amount of them in Russia. And no, they don't think the same as you. You seem to have a particular vision of how all Russians are.

Destroying its economy, it's foreign relations, its few democratic rights (freedom of speech the most important), impoverishing its people, etc.

You know that elections had been rigged in Ukraine for more than a decade to get Yanukovich to win, just check the Orange Revolution in 2014. The Russian Gov. brought chaos for a lot of years, and finally the Ukrainian people got tired of that.

Remember that it was the parliament elected that ousted Yanukovich, his own party voted in favor too.

Destroying it's economy well i don't think that most of economies under sanctions will fall too much but their economy as i said before is healthy. Yes i know also a lot of Russians and they are for Putin and his politics 78% of Russians is supporting his politics and 67% will vote for him again Orange Revolution is always good weapon of US they create that in Serbia in Libya Iraq Syria Egypt Tunisia. Yanukovich was legal elected president.

Which economy is destroyed sorry and foreign relations with countries that are just follow every step that america is ordering America will always have same presidents as most of west but not Russia. NATO are close up to their borders they need to defend them self from possible attack !

Ruble was been at it's lowest level for 1 USD - 72 Rub and for 1 EUR 78.9 Rub now situation is better and stabilized now for one USD you will need 57 Rub and for one Eur you will need 61Rub

economy growth was low but still it's growth 0.6% next year they predict 1.6% and next 6% of growth i can't say they didn't receive bomb after sanctions but they overcome that.

Why sanctions are good and why they are not?

They are not good because you have to start up your engines and work hard again

They are good because your rejected parts of industries and factories can now again to replace foreign factories and industries in country create stronger economy without depending on foreign countries.

Also you can't force someone to live just like you it's other culture Russia it's not west or something it's Russia and can you live same as people of middle eastern countries i guess not ??!!

It's easy to rule western countries because they are not controlled by Presidents they are controlled by underground (Bilderberg) Group

Don't worry for Russia it holds 56% of all natural resources in the world !

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I really don´t care where someone comes from.

:) ty

Edited June 18, 2015 by SRBKnight

[gammadust 12]

from the same article you linked - Gorbatschov:

"The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are obeyed."

There were talks about NATO and Germany but also also about the expansion in general:

Foreign Minister Baker & Genscher mentioning about NATO expansion

Tnx for the link, i had read about that encounter before, and was induced in error by the interview.

[mistyronin 1181]

"The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are obeyed."

So now we are talking about esoteric spirits? :j:

BTW it was not NATO who expanded East-wards, but the countries there that requested to join fearing a Russian invasion.

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Destroying it's economy well i don't think that most of economies under sanctions will fall too much but their economy as i said before is healthy.

The economy was in dire conditions before the sanctions. But of course now Putin can blame it all to the sanctions.

Don't worry for Russia it holds 56% of all natural resources in the world !y

56% according to who? And that doesn't have a direct line with richness, or Africa would be a super economic power.

[srbknight 925]

56% according to who? And that doesn't have a direct line with richness, or Africa would be a super economic power.

Russia is the largest country in the world; it covers a vast amount of topographically varied territory, including much that is inaccessible by conventional modes of transportation. The traditional centers of economic activity are almost exclusively located in the more hospitable European part of Russia, which once offered considerable coal and natural gas to drive heavy industry (see fig. 7). But the European fuel base was largely depleted by the 1980s, forcing Russia to rely on Siberian deposits much farther from the industrial heartland.

Russia is one of the world's richest countries in raw materials, many of which are significant inputs for an industrial economy. Russia accounts for around 20 percent of the world's production of oil and natural gas and possesses large reserves of both fuels. This abundance has made Russia virtually self-sufficient in energy and a large-scale exporter of fuels. Oil and gas were primary hard-currency earners for the Soviet Union, and they remain so for the Russian Federation. Russia also is self-sufficient in nearly all major industrial raw materials and has at least some reserves of every industrially valuable nonfuel mineral--even after the productive mines of Ukraine, Kazakstan, and Uzbekistan no longer were directly accessible. Tin, tungsten, bauxite, and mercury were among the few natural materials imported in the Soviet period. Russia possesses rich reserves of iron ore, manganese, chromium, nickel, platinum, titanium, copper, tin, lead, tungsten, diamonds, phosphates, and gold, and the forests of Siberia contain an estimated one-fifth of the world's timber, mainly conifers (see fig. 8; Environmental Conditions, ch. 3).

http://www.countryranker.com/top-10-countries-with-most-natural-resources-in-the-world/

In that link you can read that Russia has 75 Trillion $ worth of natural resources and who know how much is still there

[mistyronin 1181]

http://www.countryranker.com/top-10-countries-with-most-natural-resources-in-the-world/

In that link you can read that Russia has 75 Trillion $ worth of natural resources and who know how much is still there

Probably my question was not clear enough.

What source do you have where it explicitly says that Russia has the exact 56% of the World's resources.

[oxmox 73]

So now we are talking about esoteric spirits? :j:

BTW it was not NATO who expanded East-wards, but the countries there that requested to join fearing a Russian invasion.

The economy was in dire conditions before the sanctions.

It was none of them individual, since there are always two parties with its decisions. Lobbying doesnt exist in your language use ?

Yeah we are talking about Voodoo magic now...:)

At the end, the possible outcome and warnings were known since the end of the Sovjetunion. NATO was a always a political matter.

Edited June 18, 2015 by oxmox

[srbknight 925]

Probably my question was not clear enough.

What source do you have where it explicitly says that Russia has the exact 56% of the World's resources.

Natural resources potential of Russia is over 40% of the world’s reserves. This fact places Russia on a special place among industrialized countries. Natural resources used by the economy of Russia account for 95.7% of national wealth. There are large deposits of fuel and energy resources: oil, natural gas, coal and uranium ore.

Russia is ranked first in the world by gas reserves (46% of world’s reserves, 30% of world production), the second in oil production (10% share of world production), the third - in coal reserves (52 coal basins, 175 fields, including those in European Russia - about 15.6% in Siberia - 66.8% in the Far East - 12.9%, in the Urals - 4.3%). In terms of reserves of iron ores Russia takes the first place, in tin – the second, lead - the third. Russia also occupies a leading position in the world in wood provision.

In 2005 Russia was the richest country in gold reserves.

In Russia there are five major oil and gas provinces located in European part of the country and in Western Siberia in 10 regions and 11 provinces and republics: West Siberian, Volga-Urals, Timan-Pechora, the North Caucasus and the Caspian Sea area.

In addition, metal ores are mined on the country’s territory ores: iron, nickel, copper, aluminum, tin, polymetals, chromium, tungsten, gold, and silver. There is a great variety of non-metallic ores: phosphates, apatites, talc, asbestos, mica, potash and salt, diamonds, amber, precious and semiprecious stones. Very common are construction materials: sand, clay, limestone, marble, granite and other materials.

also i saw that you like to speak about economy well i found one text in komersant Moscow daily news

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Means Central Bank predict that after crisis 2015-2016 Russian economy can have growth of 5.5-6.3% in 2017 after crisis

[oxmox 73]

Definately a sad move which reminds on the Cold War...........

Russia not acting as responsible nuclear power: NATO commander (Reuters - June 17th, 2015)

NATO's top commander said on Wednesday Russia's announcement it was adding 40 new intercontinental ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal was not the kind of behavior expected of a responsible nuclear power.

President Vladimir Putin's announcement on Tuesday of the planned new deployments put further strain on the relations between Moscow and the West, already tense over the Ukraine crisis.

"This is not a way that responsible nuclear nations behave," U.S. Air Force General and NATO supreme allied commander Philip Breedlove told Reuters during a visit to Poland.

Speaking to Reuters on Wednesday, Stoltenberg said Russia was investing heavily in new military capabilities, including nuclear.

Asked whether Macedonia and Montenegro should be invited to join NATO at an alliance summit in Warsaw next year, Breedlove said that while the countries were ready in military terms, the decision to invite them would ultimately be political.

Macedonia and Montenegro want to follow in the footsteps of Albania and ex-Yugoslav Croatia, which joined NATO in 2009, and Poland's defense minister said that the two countries should be invited next year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/17/us-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-idUSKBN0OX2MX20150617

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USA wants to modernize Nuclear- Arsenal (FOCUS - November 14th 2014)

The US wants to modernize their nuclear arsenals over the next five years with a multi-billion dollar program.

The requirement of hail for greater government support comes 10 days before the end of the nuclear negotiations with Iran at the wrong time. Iran on the one hand to stop, to curb its nuclear program and at the same time upgrade itself, is very difficult to sell...

FOCUS

US wants to renew nuclear weapons in Germany ( Die Zeit - March 16th - 2014)

The Pentagon plans to replace its nuclear weapons stationed in Europe by more modern ones, according to a media report.

The US Defense Department plans to renew stationed in Germany and other European countries, nuclear weapons from 2020. In US draft budget for 2015 funds for the deployment of new nuclear weapons of the type B61-12 in Europe had been requested, reports the Mirror without giving sources.

The modernization of US nuclear weapons in Europe is planned for some time. But now it falls into the growing tensions between the West and Russia because of the dispute over the future of Ukraine.

Die Zeit google transl.

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Nuclear Powers modernize their Nuclear Arsenals (June 15th, 2015 - NTV)

The annual report for the SIPRI shows: As agreed Russia and the United States reduce the number of their nuclear weapons. But they can - like other nuclear powers - modernize their existing arsenal.

At the beginning of 2015 an estimated of 15,850 nuclear weapons were in possession of nine states. 4300 of them were in military locations or mounted on missiles, according to the Yearbook 2015 published the SIPRI. Especially Russia and the US had in the past year reduced their arsenals of nuclear warheads - as contractually agreed - reduced, Russia from 8000 to 7500, the United States from 7300 to 7260 pieces.

At the same time, both countries have however started an extensive and costly modernization of their military equipment. "Despite the international interest to prioritize nuclear disarmament, show the modernization programs in the states with nuclear weapons possession, that none of them will give up its nuclear arsenals in the foreseeable future," the SIPRI researcher Shannon Kile said.

Even states with smaller arsenals were involved in the development or deployment of new nuclear weapons systems. China had its number in 2014 even increased slightly and now dispose over 260 warheads. India (90-110) and Pakistan (100-120) have both expanded their nuclear weapons production facilities. North Korea (6-8) also seem to improve its nuclear program. The progress here is however difficult to assess.

NTV report google transl.

Edited June 18, 2015 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

Definately a sad move which reminds on the Cold War...

Unfortunately yes. Cold War 2.0 that some call it.

But yeah, the announce of the expansion of the nuclear arsenals it's really worrisome. And quite crazy.

As I said, unfortunately it's the only main power that Russia has left.

(Russian TASS) Russian nuclear forces to get 40 new intercontinental missiles this year — Putin

Russia’s nuclear forces will be supplemented this year with more than 40 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) capable of overcoming any missile defense systems, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at an opening ceremony of the Army 2015 international military-technical forum.

"The nuclear forces will be supplemented this year with 40 new intercontinental ballistic missiles that will be capable of overcoming any, even most technically sophisticated missile defense systems," he said.

(Reuters) Germany accuses Putin of Cold War reflexes after Moscow beefs up nuclear arsenal

Russian President Vladimir Putin is acting with Cold War reflexes, Germany's foreign minister said on Wednesday, after Moscow decided to add more than 40 intercontinental ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal.

"President Putin's announcement to stock up Russia's strategic missile arsenal is unnecessary and certainly doesn't contribute to stability and an easing of tension in Europe," Frank-Walter Steinmeier told German news portal Spiegel Online.

Tension has flared between Russia and the West over Moscow's role in the Ukraine conflict. Pro-Russian separatist forces have seized a large part of the country's east after Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

[oxmox 73]

Unfortunately yes. Cold War 2.0 that some call it.

But yeah, the announce of the expansion of the nuclear arsenals it's really worrisome. And quite crazy.

As I said, unfortunately it's the only main power that Russia has left.

(Russian TASS) Russian nuclear forces to get 40 new intercontinental missiles this year — Putin

(Reuters) Germany accuses Putin of Cold War reflexes after Moscow beefs up nuclear arsenal

Seems like others have forgotten their own renewal of nuclear weapons.

Interesting is also the increase of the nuclear arsenal of other nations like China, India...wheras the US and Russia did reduce its numbers in the past.

As I said, unfortunately it's the only main power that Russia has left.

Russia has the 2nd most powerful conventional Military in the World

https://www.hsdl.org/blog/newpost/view/a-world-without-nukes-ranking-the-world-s-strongest-conventional-military-powers

http://www.businessinsider.com/11-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2014-4?IR=T

Edited June 18, 2015 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

Russia has the 2nd most powerful conventional Military in the World

In what sense?

By far is the PLA the 2nd most powerful conventional military in the World. And it's growing and growing.

The only important asset the Russian Armed Forces have is nuclear missiles.

By expenditures (ISBN 1857437667):

1. USA

2. P.R. China

3. Saudi Arabia

4. Russia

5. UK

By active military (Wikipedia):

1. P.R. China

2. USA

3. India

4. North Korea

5. Russia

By Deployed Nuclear weapons (FAS):

1. USA

2. Russia

3. UK

4. France

5. P.R. China

[oxmox 73]

In what sense?

Dont embarass yourself, one of the provided link leads to the Homeland Security Webpage of the US government and the article lists the Power Index of countries around the world.

[mistyronin 1181]

Dont embarass yourself, one of the provided link leads to the Homeland Security Webpage of the US government and the article lists the Power Index of countries around the world.

Why would that embarrass me? The data is right and is what is said in many other sources.

China has more money, it's the most powerful growing economy in the World as today, and it's the second conventional military force (probably in some years it will become the first).

Russia has an old dated armed forces, that tho Putin has been updating a few limited units, doesn't have by far the resources to keep it.

China has the money, and the power to get more. China could become soonish a super-power, Russia nope. Russia is only a tier 2 country with an insane amount of nukes.

Edited June 18, 2015 by MistyRonin

[srbknight 925]

Why would that embarrass me? The data is right and is what is said in many other sources.

China has more money, it's the most powerful economy in the World as today, and it's the second conventional military force (probably in some years it will become the first).

Russia has an old dated armed forces, that tho Putin has been updating a few limited units, doesn't have by far the resources to keep it.

China has the money, and the power to get more. China could become soonish a super-power, Russia nope.

buddy for your information Russia has most advanced army that is reject soviet old doctrine and adopt new doctrine

Russian Air force to receive 260 jets this year and 340 helicopters Mi-26 38 ka-52/k Mi-17MaTV3

Russian navy to receive 40 armed frigates and corvettes this year 16 amphibious assault ships

Russian Ground forces to receive 430 mbts 1.100 Apc Ifv

Easy for that all Russia has produced more military equipment than any country in the world in few years

from 2009-2015 Russia is produced 3.600 helicopters and 1.500 aircrafts

Russian army to receive 30 batteries of S-400 and S-300V2 Antey by end of this year

The problem is you are comparing Russian forces to whole world i guess China has good army and i like them they will be most powerful nation in every aspects

But from which country you are if it's not secret let's compare your country army with Russians ? if you have nothing against !

Advice: You are live in some kind of illusions if you think that wikipedia or american homeland security site is owning real files about some country and valid documents. Russia has enough equipment to arm whole world for sure

American aircrafts are 65% +35-40 years old by the way ground forces are on same level from 1986 they scrapped 15.000 mbts (m60a3 M551...) and today army have 4.140 tanks and marines have 1890 abrams in use !

Edited June 18, 2015 by SRBKnight

[mistyronin 1181]

buddy for your information Russia has most advanced army that is reject soviet old doctrine and adopt new doctrine

Well, Putin will be glad to see that his propaganda is getting to some.

Quite the opposite of what my friends serving in the Russian Army told me tho.

But from which country you are if it's not secret let's compare your country army with Russians ? if you have nothing against !

Why should that matter? We are checking which one is the second most powerful armed forces on Earth.

You are live in some kind of illusions if you think that wikipedia or american homeland security site is owning real files about some country and valid documents.

If you have any source to show, you are free to do so. But the argument that others live in an illusory world is really weak.

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Just for curiosity, what do you have against China being the second conventional armed forces in the World?