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[srbknight 925]

So according to you until the NATO 2005 intervention, Yugoslavia was one single country? No division? :j:

What i don't understand Yugoslavia was bombed 78 days from 24 march to june 10 in 1999 after 2000 it changes it's name to Serbia and Montenegro which was been during 1999 but it's called SRJ on eng FRY

So one single man, fought during months against all the Gaddafi's Armed Forces until NATO intervened? Was he Rambo?

Nope man we are talking about Orange revolution or Arabian spring however you want but the country protests are started with opposition which had unclear requests for Goddaffi but only to kill him and take the country rule by war on the ground and NATO on the air ! Today look at that country where american interventions occurs there is starting pain war kills and hunger nothing successful Democracies after 1990 in the world that are supported by west occurs only maybe Baltic states are success something !

[vilas 477]

I understand that there's a lot of people that vote without checking the programs...

bullshit my friend, refresh website, i quoted left wing party program quotes

[mistyronin 1181]

bullshit my friend, refresh website, i quoted left wing party program quotes

Ok, let's read, let's read what each of the ruling parties thinks.

European People's Party Program (right wing, 218 seats):

Creating a common asylum policy is a goal that all EU Member States have subscribed to. However, any such common policy must be built upon existing rules in the area of EU asylum policy. This policy should also show solidarity with member States which are facing specific and disproportionate pressures on their national asylum systems, in particular due to their geographic location or their demographic situation. In cases of war or manmade and natural disasters, the EU and its Member States should facilitate the reception of those in need of international protection in the EU.

Socialist & Democrats (left wing, 190 seats)

To win our support, any candidate for President of the Commission will have to make an unbreakable commitment to promote investment, sustainable growth and decent, secure jobs; tackle poverty and inequality; safeguard freedom of movement while putting an end to social dumping; strengthen respect for fundamental rights; re-inforce territorial cohesion policies; establish an effective common immigration and asylum policy; and make the EU itself more democratic, more transparent and more accountable to the citizen. Having saved the common currency from disaster, the Commission must finish the job, by taking the further steps needed to make it a success story. We also expect the Presidential candidate to commit to the appointment of a gender-balanced Commission.

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (center right-wing, 70 seats)

In recent years there have been regular reminders that the EU asylum and migration system is not fit for purpose and needs a fundamental rethink. The large numbers of migrants dying in the Mediterranean trying to reach the shores of Europe have put into question Europe’s commitment to human rights and this together with increasing pressures on our Eastern border from Ukraine and the Western Balkans have led many EU citizens, encouraged by populists to perceive migration as a threat.

The existing asylum system is based on the Dublin Regulation that puts significant pressure on member states with external borders by forcing asylum applications to be made in the country of entry. The Dublin system has further increased irregular migration within the EU and which is further exacerbated by variations in the processing of asylum applications between member states due to the fact that EU asylum legislation is not properly implemented and obligations are not respected.

So 408 vs 70 seats...

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What i don't understand Yugoslavia was bombed 78 days from 24 march to june 10 in 1999 after 2000 it changes it's name to Serbia and Montenegro which was been during 1999 but it's called SRJ on eng FRY

So? You should ask your former rulers why did they change the name.

Nope man we are talking about Orange revolution or Arabian spring however you want but the country protests are started with opposition which had unclear requests for Goddaffi but only to kill him and take the country rule by war on the ground and NATO on the air ! Today look at that country where american interventions occurs there is starting pain war kills and hunger nothing successful Democracies after 1990 in the world that are supported by west occurs only maybe Baltic states are success something !

So according to you Libyans were really happy, but they started a revolution only to kill Gaddafi, not to introduce any change. And then the NATO intervened with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (with Russia's acceptance, as it didn't vote against it) with, according to you, the goal of starting pain and hunger?

And then you add the Baltics into the sum. That BTW were not product of a NATO military operation, so I don't really follow your logic...

Edited June 28, 2015 by MistyRonin

[vilas 477]

i say what parties here were telling , because we voted on our political parties that later were found in EU parliament

for me there is need of refferendum about immigrants from Africa and Middle East , because parties that were starting to EU parliament, in their programs BEFORE elections were saying about secure national interest against worldwide banks, to secure soveirgnity and etc.

otherwise you simply justify lies of politicians for sake of politically correct naive idea of EU as multiculti place where people who work had pay for people who do not want to work but live from benefits and where there is cheap labor for corporations

i have read Polish programs of Polish parties that were starting and participating in elections, i quoted 2 left wing parties programs site ago,

those members of parliament, when found themsleves in Brussels "suddenly" changed their minds and started opposite to what they said BEFORE voting

thus only refferendum should be effective what to do with immigrants from Africa and Middle East

not few corrupted guys from Brussles who BEFORE elections say about "securing national business and traditions" and AFTER elections say about "paying more for others"

IF WE HAD laws that reject politician from his seat if he brake program , 80% of those politicians would not been there

there should be law that allows to sue politician for breaking promises but afaik there is not such law in EU countries

Edited June 28, 2015 by vilas

[srbknight 925]

So? You should ask your former rulers why did they change the name.

You are without soul respect the killed in that war please and don't make jokes with casualties

So according to you Libyans were really happy, but they started a revolution only to kill Gaddafi, not to introduce any change. And then the NATO intervened with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (with Russia's acceptance, as it didn't vote against it) with, according to you, the goal of starting pain and hunger?

And then you add the Baltics into the sum. That BTW were not product of a NATO military operation, so I don't really follow your logic...

Libya before 2011

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.

If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.

A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

[mistyronin 1181]

Libya before 2011

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.[...]

Ok, so Libya before 2011 was Heaven on Earth; everyone wanted to migrate there. It was internationally known as an example to follow, etc. etc.

Then why did so many people wanted to kill Gaddafi? Why did the Libyans start a revolution? Where they bored? :confused:

[vilas 477]

Then why did so many people wanted to kill Gaddafi? Why did the Libyans start a revolution? Where they bored?

Islamic extremists who wanted to create caliphate fed with money of Saudis plus banksters who were angry of Quadafi economic policy ?

what is main goal of fighters against Assad ? to create caliphate under their branch of Sharia (sunnis vs wahabies vs sheeyits vs...)

religious extremists whose first target after Quadafi was to destroy Christian tombstones of soldiers of WW2 ?

their second goal was to destroy tombstones on WW2 cemetery cause they wanted destroy any non-Muslim symbols

do you remember about first days of anti-Quadafi revolt ? first days was showing that islamists are there very active

wikipedia says first he introduced Sharia, than he revert back to non-Sharia and than many priests joined opposition

probably Quadafi was still changing his mind what he wants and what not and people were very confused what he stands for and what he is against,

he was balancing between socialism and Sharia, Sunnis vs Shyits,

the problem is that people on the west think Saudi Arabia is your allie while they play their own game, they wanted to be leader of region, but Quadafi wanted too, Iran wants too, now ISIS wants

look at wars in Iran, Iraq in 80s - Sheets vs Sunnis again,

those are many times religious wars which you do not understand because you live in society which doesn't bother about things like interpretation of one book,

but in other parts of world people are killing each other because they think that their interpreation of one book is only one and they must destroy anyone who read this book different way,

and some gave them money to support them and boom, revolution

people who trully belive in god, heaven, life after life are less focusing on economy on earth , for them cheap gas or university or electricity is not important,

in Poland there are Catholics who can live in poverty but for them it is most important if street is named after Pope

Edited June 28, 2015 by vilas

[srbknight 925]

Ok, so Libya before 2011 was Heaven on Earth; everyone wanted to migrate there. It was internationally known as an example to follow, etc. etc.

Then why did so many people wanted to kill Gaddafi? Why did the Libyans start a revolution? Where they bored? :confused:

Vilas is explain to you everything SAUDI ARABIA+MONEY+SUNRISE=US Victory !

[mistyronin 1181]

Islamic extremists who wanted to create caliphate fed with money of Saudis plus banksters who were angry of Quadafi economic policy ?

If that was the goal, why didn't they do it? Why the protesters and fighters in the 2011 civil war called for democracy? :rolleyes:

Vilas is explain to you everything SAUDI ARABIA+MONEY+SUNRISE=US Victory !

:confused: What are you talking about?

[srbknight 925]

What are you talking about?

you joking me you don't understand SAUDI ARABIA(openly support of extremism and radical islam)+Money (oil petroleum...)+Orange Revolution or Arab Spring or Sunrise=US goal directly

If that was the goal, why didn't they do it? Why the protesters and fighters in the 2011 civil war called for democracy?

Do you see democracy after 2011 in that country i only see terrorism and salary of 320$ from 2.900$ during goddaffi no benefits no free electricity nothing

[vilas 477]

If that was the goal, why didn't they do it? Why the protesters and fighters in the 2011 civil war called for democracy? :rolleyes:

http://www.newsweek.pl/g/i.aspx/670/0/newsweek/635167350149571122.png

one (left wing) newspaper painted "map how Arab world would look if borders were not result of colonies divided by different countries from west who had colonies"

maybe there is a problem ?

like Ukraine problem with Russians ?

because someone painted borders in past, than colony was getting independence but without any relation to ethnich or religious groups there?

http://r-scale-33.dcs.redcdn.pl/scale/o2/tvn/web-content/m/p1/i/489d0396e6826eb0c1e611d82ca8b215/787c3f20-f319-11e3-a1b4-0025b511226e.jpg?type=1&srcmode=3&srcx=0/1&srcy=0/1&srcw=640&srch=360&dstw=640&dsth=360

sunnis vs sheets

Quadafi was keeping mixed ethnic groups like Broz Tito kept Yugoslavia united like USSR kept different nations probably, but not on such scale

those Arabs revolutions are caused by former colonial politcs in this region because borders of countries are it seems artificial painted

[mistyronin 1181]

you joking me you don't understand SAUDI ARABIA(openly support of extremism and radical islam)+Money (oil petroleum...)+Orange Revolution or Arab Spring or Sunrise=US goal directly

But the fighters that launched the revolution were not islamic extremist, nor the gov that followed. So it doesn't make any sense.

The US companies have few interests in Libyan oil, France, UK and Russia do. Maybe that's why Russia accepted the invasion... Who knows...

Quadafi was keeping mixed ethnic groups like Broz Tito kept Yugoslavia united like USSR kept different nations probably, but not on such scale those Arabs revolutions are caused by former colonial politcs in this region because borders of countries are it seems artificial painted

That does indeed make sense. Same that happened in Iraq under Saddam Hussein or in India vs Pakistan.

Post-colonialism conflicts are still present. Specially in former British colonies.

Edited June 28, 2015 by MistyRonin

[srbknight 925]

But the fighters that launched the revolution were not islamic extremist, nor the gov that followed. So it doesn't make any sense.

The US companies have few interests in Libyan oil, France, UK and Russia do. Maybe that's why Russia accepted the invasion... Who knows...

That does indeed make sense. Same that happened in Iraq under Saddam Hussein or in India vs Pakistan.

Post-colonialism conflicts are still present. Specially in former British colonies.

you have in Syria free army that is now Al-Nusra or ISIS no difference

[mistyronin 1181]

you have in Syria free army that is now Al-Nusra or ISIS no difference

Uhm, then why the Syrian Free Army is fighting against Al-Nusra and ISIS? :j:

What does Syria has to do with anything we talked? And why do you comment all this OT in the Russian thread?

[srbknight 925]

Uhm, then why the Syrian Free Army is fighting against Al-Nusra and ISIS? :j:

What does Syria has to do with anything we talked? And why do you comment all this OT in the Russian thread?

lol you asked where the democracy is failed i just answering on your questions ? :D Free Army supported by west and supplied now you can see point weak Syria for better Khalifats jobs !

[mistyronin 1181]

lol you asked where the democracy is failed i just answering on your questions ? :D Free Army supported by west and supplied now you can see point weak Syria for better Khalifats jobs !

Where have I asked that? At least not in the last pages. Seriously you don't make any sense.

[srbknight 925]

Uhm, then why the Syrian Free Army is fighting against Al-Nusra and ISIS? :j:

What does Syria has to do with anything we talked? And why do you comment all this OT in the Russian thread?

lol only against ISIS is SAA (Syrian Arab Army) YPG (Peshmerga Kurdish Army) Hezbollah Iran and nobody else ! Free army not exist and stop with this questions about syria there is topic about syria and other states be focused on Russia

---------- Post added at 12:52 ---------- Previous post was at 12:47 ----------

Reply me this and i will be so nice :D

Why is US so preoccupied with Russia and why is US not forcing Saudis Qatari and other countries of middle east to change them self to democracy there is no critics on human rights in Saudi Arabia Kuwait or Qatar ? :)

[mistyronin 1181]

lol only against ISIS is SAA (Syrian Arab Army) YPG (Peshmerga Kurdish Army) Hezbollah Iran and nobody else ! Free army not exist and stop with this questions about syria there is topic about syria and other states be focused on Russia

If the thread is about Russia (as it is indeed), why did you introduced Syria? :j:

So you have just made disappear one of the main factions in the Syrian Civil war? That doesn't make any sense. :j:

Why is US so preoccupied with Russia and why is US not forcing Saudis Qatari and other countries of middle east to change them self to democracy there is no critics on human rights in Saudi Arabia Kuwait or Qatar ? :)

The US, as well as almost any other country in Europe and surrounding Russia, is/are worried about Russia's warmongery (invasions of neighbor countries like Georgia or Ukraine), beefing their nuclear arsenal, etc.

I think everyone in the World is worried that the second country with more nukes is doing crazy warmonger stuff.

On the other hand why should the US force Saudi Arabia or Qatar to be a democracy?

[srbknight 925]

If the thread is about Russia (as it is indeed), why did you introduced Syria? :j:

So you have just made disappear one of the main factions in the Syrian Civil war? That doesn't make any sense. :j:

The US, as well as almost any other country in Europe and surrounding Russia, is/are worried about Russia's warmongery (invasions of neighbor countries like Georgia or Ukraine), beefing their nuclear arsenal, etc.

I think everyone in the World is worried that the second country with more nukes is doing crazy warmonger stuff.

On the other hand why should the US force Saudi Arabia or Qatar to be a democracy?

Move on Syrian war topic please :j:

[mistyronin 1181]

Move on Syrian war topic please :j:

Indeed. That's what you have to do, instead of introducing random subjects that are not the matter of the thread.

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(Local.se) 'Russia rehearsed invasion of Sweden'

Some 33,000 Russian soldiers rehearsed a military takeover of the Baltic Sea area on March 21st to 25th, including practising the seizure of Gotland off Sweden's east coast, Danish island Bornholm, Finland's Swedish-speaking Ã…land islands and northern Norway, security expert Edward Lucas writes in a new report for US-based Center for European Policy Analysis (Cepa).

[srbknight 925]

Indeed. That's what you have to do, instead of introducing random subjects that are not the matter of the thread.

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(Local.se) 'Russia rehearsed invasion of Sweden'

don't have time for that really i have some work around here ! Guess Russia invade whole Europe according to Western media !

[sudayev 27]

This is very, very interesting. A grim joke or a slice of Russian reality?

The Russian chief prosecutor's office is to examine whether the Soviet Union acted legally when it recognised the Baltic states' independence in 1991.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33325842

Russia justifies revisionist actions, so the territorial dispute over Baltic states may enter into new phase.

Of course they will admit it was against the law (like it was legal for bolsheviks to enslave these nations, not to mention overthrowing tsar rule as a result of October Revolution :trollface: ) and Russia has to take of its citizens and protect them those, those aggressive Baltic bullies posing all time threat to peaceful and benevolent Russian nation!

Edited June 30, 2015 by Sudayev

[oxmox 73]

Just a click-bait article.....

--> The source added that there would not be "legal consequences" if the 1991 recognition of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania was deemed to be illegal.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Just a click-bait article.....

--> The source added that there would not be "legal consequences" if the 1991 recognition of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania was deemed to be illegal.

No legal action if illegal ? Wtf...welcome to Putin wishful thinking.

[oxmox 73]

no legal consequences = no juridical consequences....got it ? :)