surpher 1 Posted January 5, 2015 (PoliticoMagazine) Inside Putin’s Information War Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) There are no three world main powers, there is only one. And when it comes to "generating problems" , there are other powers who are creating problems aswell, this is a way too one sided view.Yes, other powers seem to question us when it comes to Russia and since we are partners with a very important alliance of course we will comply. I think the markets should rather decide with whom you do business and not politicians, besides exceptions. I agree. But right here we have such an exception! I mean what would happen if Putin was to invade Ukraine and nobody did anything to punish him for that? In a few years he would take over the next country because obviously he can get away with it. That is exactly how it worked with Hitler. That guy broke one agreement after another, extended German borders, always in small incrimental steps, and even when he invaded Poland he thought that France and Britain (Hitler tried to sign a quick peace with Britain, he didn´t really want to go to war with them, yet) would let it slide because of his former experiences. This is why the sanctions are needed. It sucks for the Russian people. It sucks for the Russian companies and their partners. But it has to be done to prevent a potential desaster in the future. EDIT: Interesting read surpher More than a decade later, that movie is increasingly dark and disturbing. The first thing Russian militias do when they take a town in East Ukraine is seize the television towers and switch them over to Kremlin channels. Soon after, the locals begin to rant about fascists in Kyiv and dark U.S. plots to purge Russian speakers from East Ukraine. It’s not just what they say but how they say it that is so disturbing: irrational spirals of paranoia, theories so elaborate and illogical one can’t possibly argue with them. Edited January 5, 2015 by Tonci87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted January 5, 2015 Foreign Legion: Contactors from abroad allowed to serve in Russian army “Military men, who are foreign citizens, can participate in carrying out the tasks during military situations, and also during armed conflicts, in accordance with admitted principles and norms of international law, international treaties of the Russian Federation, and the Russian legislation,†the decree said. Looks like Putin needs some fresh blood in Ukraine! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 5, 2015 Foreign Legion: Contactors from abroad allowed to serve in Russian armyLooks like Putin needs some fresh blood in Ukraine! Well the French Foreign Legion or the Waffen SS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted January 7, 2015 Ehm... Such news are posted since 2010... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 7, 2015 Ehm... Such news are posted since 2010... I think that in this case it doesn't change the fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted January 8, 2015 in our press media told about Crimean and East Ukraine nationalisations of different churches, it was told that Orthodox Russian church will take properties of other churches in Crimea and in Eastern Ukraine (controllet by proRussians) so once again religion factor appears even there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted January 8, 2015 I think that in this case it doesn't change the fact. What fact? The fact that since 2010 foreigners from former USSR countries (preferably of Slavic origin) can enlist in our army and after some years of service get the citizenship, yes? in our press media told about Crimean and East Ukraine nationalisations of different churches, it was told that Orthodox Russian church will take properties of other churches in Crimea and in Eastern Ukraine (controllet by proRussians) so once again religion factor appears even there Most of people at that areas belong to Orthodox church already. So no need to take anything from other confessions. On the other side there were already several provocations committed by self-proclaimed Kiev patriarchate and Uniate church against Kiev lavra that belongs to Moscow patriarchate. And Uniate priests were at the meetings of nationalists blessing them for the struggle against moskali, zhidy and other untermenschen. BTW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 8, 2015 You really buy that propaganda bullshit, do you? I say it again, there are propably more fashists on the Russian side than there are on the Ukrainian... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 8, 2015 What fact? The fact that since 2010 foreigners from former USSR countries (preferably of Slavic origin) can enlist in our army and after some years of service get the citizenship, yes? Exactly. As Sub-Human has said Putin needs fresh blood for his armies. Since 2010, so the imperialistic and militaristic sights of Putin were set at least 5 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 8, 2015 Wait, they get citizenship after serving in the army? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 8, 2015 Wait, they get citizenship after serving in the army? The same that happens in the Legion Etrangere What DOES matter:to be a man between 17.5 and 39.5 years (for more detailed information about the age limit see: What is the age limit for joining the French Foreign Legion exactly?) to have a valid ID – the presentation of any identity cards (on current validity) delivered by the State of membership of the candidate is asked so as to facilitate the process of selection and recruitment (ID card, passport, driving licences, diplomas of state) to have a birth certificate verified copy (translation into English or French languages prefered), confirmation of the certificate’s copy not older than 6 months while enlisting (you are allowed to enlist without the certificate as well, however, the document will simplify your engagement) to be NOT wanted by Interpol (NO murders, NO drug trafficking) to be physically fit to serve at all times and in all places for at least 5 years What does NOT matter: your knowledge of the French language doesn’t matter your origins doesn’t matter your nationality doesn’t matter your religion doesn’t matter your educational background doesn’t matter your qualifications doesn’t matter your social status doesn’t matter your professional status doesn’t matter your marriage / marital status or family status doesn’t matter your military or non-military background doesn’t matter So, how to join the French Foreign Legion? The ONLY solution to join the French Foreign Legion is to go to mainland France (in EUROPE) and knock on the door of one of the Foreign Legion recruiting centers (once you are in, free accommodation, food and clothing are immediately provided by the Legion). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted January 8, 2015 ...another example seems to be the US Army. Fighting for a New Homeland: US Army Lures Foreigners with Promise of Citizenship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 8, 2015 ...another example seems to be the US Army. It's not the same. You must have a lot of requirements to join the US Armed Forces ( be living in the US, have a Green Card, that should be long enough to fill all the military contract, etc. ). Because that same case can be applied to most of the countries of Europe and the World. We are talking about being able to join a foreign Army immediately, without specific requirements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted January 8, 2015 Wait, they get citizenship after serving in the army?The same that happens in the Legion Etrangere ...it was about getting citizenship after serving in the army. Well, the Legion in general is something different of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted January 8, 2015 ...it was about getting citizenship after serving in the army. Well, the Legion in general is something different of course. No, it was about getting it as a reward. In the US Army even if you serve as a foreigner you don't have the US citizen guaranteed, it's just a few more points. We are talking that the Russian Armed Forces will accept foreigners and give them the citizenship for serving in them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) No, it was about getting it as a reward. In the US Army even if you serve as a foreigner you don't have the US citizen guaranteed, it's just a few more points. We are talking that the Russian Armed Forces will accept foreigners and give them the citizenship for serving in them. Yes, Iam talking about citizenship as a reward maybe you should read the link I did post. "Their reward for risking their lives for their adopted country is US citizenship." edit: wasnt talking about Russia, just refered to methodes about citizenship and serving in the military. Edited January 8, 2015 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umpo 10 Posted January 8, 2015 Decision about foreign recruitment will affect negatively on russian army strentgh. I think most of the volunteers will come from central asian countries Relations between various ethnic groups in our army are already bad and going to be worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted January 8, 2015 You really buy that propaganda bullshit, do you? I say it again, there are propably more fashists on the Russian side than there are on the Ukrainian... As having relatives in Ukraine and living in Russia I can say that BS is a statement that there are more fascists on the Russian side. Exactly. As Sub-Human has said Putin needs fresh blood for his armies. Since 2010, so the imperialistic and militaristic sights of Putin were set at least 5 years ago. Wait... Imperialistic and militaristic sights were set even earlier, in 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 8, 2015 You don´t get US citizenship for fighting in their force..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) You don´t get US citizenship for fighting in their force..... Its a shortcut mostly for immigrants to get US citizenship.... Read the spiegel article or watch this: And for none-immigrants: MAVNI Program: Direct U.S. Citizenship Without Green Card The Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest (MAVNI) program was renewed through May 2015. This program allows certain branches of the U.S. military to hire legal non-immigrants, such as international students, with specialized skills. This could lead to directly earning U.S. citizenship. http://www.isvmag.com/05/05/mavni-program-direct-u-s-citizenship-without-green-card/5366 Edited January 8, 2015 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 8, 2015 Its a shortcut mostly for immigrants to get US citizenship....Read the spiegel article or watch this: And for none-immigrants: MAVNI Program: Direct U.S. Citizenship Without Green Card The Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest (MAVNI) program was renewed through May 2015. This program allows certain branches of the U.S. military to hire legal non-immigrants, such as international students, with specialized skills. This could lead to directly earning U.S. citizenship. http://www.isvmag.com/05/05/mavni-program-direct-u-s-citizenship-without-green-card/5366 This could eventually lead to citizenship, or help you get there but it doesn´t guarantee anything. If you join the french legion you will get citizenship after you served your time. Ther are a lot of people (especially from middle and south america) who have served in the US force without getting citizenship afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) They will probably select and test you, but the recruitment methode stays. Join the military and its the way to a fast citizenship. French Legion is the Legion, why should we compare it. Yes the US MAVNI programm says it is not a guarantee to get citizenship, the Spiegel report did describe the recruitment methode different as a "reward". Edited January 8, 2015 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted January 8, 2015 Because it grants you immediate citizenship and I was curious if russia does the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surpher 1 Posted January 10, 2015 (Project-Syndicate) Russia’s European Home Last spring, after Russia annexed Crimea and began intervening in eastern Ukraine, the United States and the European Union introduced sanctions against Russian individuals and businesses. But if sanctions are to be an effective tool in countering Vladimir Putin’s ambitions – a topic of ongoing debate in the West – they must combine a firm hand toward Russia’s president with an open one toward its people. (Politico) Putin’s Washington - Even money, lots and lots of money, can’t buy him love. A story of lobbying and its limits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
