Israel General

[mistyronin 1181]

i say about mental middle-ages not about historical

i say about real tolerance not about "tolerance" in which all kids in school must have pork baned cause 1 muslim came

Yeah, but I tried to explain you that 200 years ago even in one of the most advanced countries in Europe at that time though that homosexuals deserved death penalty ( and they killed them until 140 years ago, which is not that much ).

In fact even in some European countries homosexuality was banned by law less than 20 years ago. In Cyprus for instance homosexual activities are legal since 1998; and it's a EU state! while in Turkey which is a Muslim country it's legal since 1858! ).

In fact not even 40 years ago, for being homosexual you were sent in jail in a European country like Spain ( while nowadays it's allowed same sex marriage ).

[vilas 477]

yes, i know what we did 200 years ago , we had slavery 200 years ago, thats why we cannot allow history to repeat

and homosex is only example, i am not fan of lgtb, but i am against killing those people, look at topics on Muslim forums about baning music, about how to force all women to dres acording to Sharia etc.

we know our history, we cannot allow it to repeat, noone (except doctor treating patitent in hospital) can say what i can eat or not, noone can say to my girl what she can wear

it is called freedom and Sharia is versus freedom , they want Sharia in Middle East societies, polls say ca. 70% of them support Sharia n Middle East, ca. 40% Muslims in UK support Sharia according to Guardian (if i remember correctly newspaper name) - it is problem

we moved from middle ages, they want to go to middle ages,

they do not loose religion, their girls do not wear short skirts, they do not eat pizza peperoni with us, they want to ban our Santa Claus

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[mistyronin 1181]

and homosex is only example, look at topics on Muslim forums about baning music, about how to force all women to dres acording to Sharia etc.

Well that is not true.

I've known a lot of Muslims and none of them forced their women to dress anything. For instance my good Iraqi friend's wife dress as European as my wife, or one of my Afghan acquaintance too. Or my brother in law is a Turkish Muslim and my wife's sister works as a model and dress accordingly.

Of course that there are extremists, as in some creeds inside the Christianity.

What we should do is to help educating people, but we can't force other countries to behave like us. And of course I think that some movements that are bad for all cults must be fight, like the IS ( former ISIS ).

[vilas 477]

not true ? i gave a link some pages ago to Muslim forum about how music is haram

[mistyronin 1181]

not true ? i gave a link some pages ago to Muslim forum about how music is haram

It's not true in general. As I said there are extremists in all religions.

BTW talking about those who immigrate to Europe, the point is simple. They must follow the same rules/laws as we do. No exceptions.

If the law says no head covered for proper identification, then no head covered.

And if they want to promulgate the Sharia in UK they need to have a huge majority in the parliament, until then. They can want anything. Is like our friend Zhirinovky, that wants to invade Finland and Poland.

[Psycho_5101 10]

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/501672/Stop-blaming-Israel-and-wake-up-The-black-flag-of-jihad-is-the-REAL-threat-to-the-world

[froggyluv 2136]

Your really just gonna drop that drivel from the Henry Jackson Society without a word.....:rolleyes:

Known Neocon group with extreme anti-muslim bent who lump all muslims in aka. Palestinians, with the worldwide jihadists.

[Jona33 51]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28900098

So killing a Palestinian child is self defence (It's well known four year old Palestinian's fire rockets and mortars at Israel, oh, wait a minute, they don't do they?) but an Israeli child is murder?

Double standards much?

[vilas 477]

in western political correctness you also have double standards , natives have to work hard for what immigrants get for free from native's taxes (giving flats for example), when native is attacked he cannot fight back to avoid accuse of racism (i heard it few times when i was on trips to western europan countries, in case if anyone attacks you, do not fight back cause they will accuse you of racism) etc. etc.

everywhere you have double standards - look at feminism, feminist women want to earn as much as hard working male, even if she work half time, but when there is need to lift heavy weight than female demands to do it only by male, so in warehouse female worker say you must lift all heavy luggage, but she wants the same salary + longer holidays, cause she is woman,

double standards you have in rights of animal, you cannot slaughter dog in my country for brutal killing animal you can spend 2 years in prison, but because of "religion" you have ritual killing allowed and others brutally kill goats,

double standards you have in market - in some countries the same companies for the same products have 3 years warranty, in my country 1 year warranty, in Japan or USA they returning money or give new product when old is broken, in PL or Romania you wait month till product is repaired and can be repaired even 3 times, people from USA pay for legal M$ Windows 90 dollars, i have to pay 200 dollars, but when i would use here US M$windows, they will call it piracy and call police to my house,

double standards have banks, when foreign bank want payment for using pay-card terminal, from Polish shop he takes 2.5%, from Carrefour he takes 0.25%

etc. etc. etc.

double standards you have in many many places , especially in war, when one side killing is okay, other side killing is not okay, depends of which side you actually are

wanna more double standars ?

one guy f* 13 years old girl in Britain, he is free, why ? cause "according to his religion" it was okay and court would be "racist" if they would imprison him, if any native had sex with 13 y.o. he would be in prison for several years,

wanna more double standards ?

how much i have to work to buy myself flat ?

i have to take loan in bank and pay rates for 30 years

some people who look for "asylum" get it free

world is full of double standards , especially during wars , equality doesn't exist even in politcally correct Europe in which some people might be "offended" while others "cannot be offended"

you can burn Bible and you are not imprisoned (many metal musician burned bible or called Holy Mary w*ore or Jesus as f* bast** and they are okay, while for saying it about other religion, they would face "hate crime" charge), do the same with other book (if you will survive it)

police officer has 6% rate of credit in bank,civilian has 12% in my bank, double standard ?

don't tell me about double standards in this world ;)

i wish i had US or Japan warranty for my Canon camera and lenses (by the way - if i buy Canon camera from USA, warranty in EU doesn't work, nice ?) , US prices for M$ products and no VAT tax, police officer bank rates, immunity and free flat from the state as ....

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[Jona33 51]

I am fully aware that the world is full of double standards, that doesn't detract from my point, that doesn't make it right. A lot of murders happen in the world, doesn't make it right. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for Hamas, they're firing rockets at Israel, but for f*cks sake, the scale of murder taking place. That's not an accident where a bomb went dumb or the pilot made a mistake. They just don't give a shit about what they hit.

[mistyronin 1181]

in western political correctness you also have double standards , natives have to work hard for what immigrants get for free from native's taxes (giving flats for example), when native is attacked he cannot fight back to avoid accuse of racism (i heard it few times when i was on trips to western europan countries, in case if anyone attacks you, do not fight back cause they will accuse you of racism) etc. etc.

Double standards? No, it just that immigrants are considered to be the weak spot in the situation, and the welfare state always tries to help the weak to get back to the system. Giving help to the immigrants or to the unemployed you make them to focus in finding a job and contribute to the system and not having to think about how they are gonna pay the bills and even force them to steal to eat.

About attacking people, I've lived 27 years of my life in Western Europe ( neither all the years that that I live in Northern Europe ), worked with many immigrants, and I've never had a problem. If I had to punch someone, I did, no one called me racist.

everywhere you have double standards - look at feminism, feminist women want to earn as much as hard working male, even if she work half time, but when there is need to lift heavy weight than female demands to do it only by male, so in warehouse female worker say you must lift all heavy luggage, but she wants the same salary + longer holidays, cause she is woman,

That's not true, technically what feminism considers is the unfair lower salary for a women doing the same exact job as a man ( in an office for instance ), and the problem is due to the maternity leave, and other things, not to the physical jobs.

double standards you have in rights of animal, you cannot slaughter dog in my country for brutal killing animal you can spend 2 years in prison, but because of "religion" you have ritual killing allowed and others brutally kill goats,

What? I don't know in Poland, but in all the countries I've lived is legal to slaughter animals for food, in fact is traditional for instance in my home county to slaughter pigs. I even lived in Spain where is "traditional" to torture bulls for "fun" as it's supposed to be a "traditional fest". And it's Western Europe.

double standards you have in market - in some countries the same companies for the same products have 3 years warranty, in my country 1 year warranty, in Japan or USA they returning money or give new product when old is broken, in PL or Romania you wait month till product is repaired and can be repaired even 3 times, people from USA pay for legal M$ Windows 90 dollars, i have to pay 200 dollars, but when i would use here US M$windows, they will call it piracy and call police to my house,

That depends on the country's laws. Nothing to do with double standards. In all the countries I lived you got always 2 years of warranty ( being Spain, France or Finland ). If the old is broken it depends on what condition and what item, technically they are forced to repair it, to give another one with the same or higher value or give you the money.

The prices in the US also depend a lot in the taxes, there there's almost none. While for example here in Finland the VAT is 24%

double standards have banks, when foreign bank want payment for using pay-card terminal, from Polish shop he takes 2.5%, from Carrefour he takes 0.25%etc. etc. etc.

In Western Europe, for example Spain you had to pay 2% if you tried to take money from an ATM that was not from your bank ( even if it was from the same country ), here in Finland it's cool because the ATM are "joint" so you never pay the extra. I've the Carrefour card and I don't get what you say about Carrefour.

double standards you have in many many places , especially in war, when one side killing is okay, other side killing is not okay, depends of which side you actually are

That's not in the West, that's everywhere. By convention if you kill in war it's OK as it's considered your job ( even you get medals and all that stuff ).

wanna more double standars ?

one guy f* 13 years old girl in Britain, he is free, why ? cause "according to his religion" it was okay and court would be "racist" if they would imprison him, if any native had sex with 13 y.o. he would be in prison for several years,

What? I don't think that has ever happened. BTW in other countries ( for instance Spain at 12 girls can already have relations with who whatever they wanted ), and it's Western Europe. It all depends how tolerant is each country / legislation.

wanna more double standards ?

how much i have to work to buy myself flat ?

i have to take loan in bank and pay rates for 30 years

some people who look for "asylum" get it free

I have never known anyone who got a flat for asking asylum, obviously they got help to start a new life ( specially if they have good qualifications ), but that's logic. They request asylum because in their own country are prosecuted and may face dead, not for "fun".

[vilas 477]

you not know this? :

http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/24/muslim-who-raped-13-year-old-uk-girl-spared-jail-because-he-didnt-know-it-was-wrong/

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1171261.htm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/uk-muslim-abuser-who-didnt-know-that-sex-with-a-13-year-old-girl-was-illegal-is-spared-jail

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2983819/posts

for such thing sentence is few years of prison, in prison other prisoners even can kill you if they will find you are pedophile (for many people pedophile is not human being and often pedohiles do not live till end of sentence and NOONE CARES about their death) many many people vote for death penalty for hurting child , i support death penalty for pedophilia , sex is legal from 16-18 years in many countries, for watching 12 y.o. naked kids, you can be in prison too

I have never known anyone who got a flat for asking asylum, obviously they got help to start a new life ( specially if they have good qualifications ), but that's logic. They request asylum because in their own country are prosecuted and may face dead, not for "fun".

how about ex-Muslims who escape death sentence in Pakistan, and they are to be evicted from Europe and they will face death for apostasy in Pakistan ?

do you know those people:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/spain-deports-ex-muslim-for-criticizing-islam/

http://formermuslimsunited.org/conference-on-apostasy-sharia-law-and-human-rights-11-december-2010/

http://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-ex-muslim-atheists-face-death-in-pakistan-cancel-deportation-on-tuesday-5th-august-allow-asylum

http://www.atheismuk.com/2014/08/01/religion/islam/sign-petition-to-cancel-deportation-of-atheist-ex-muslims/comment-page-1/

I don't get what you say about Carrefour.

when Polish shop want payment by card, not by cash, it has to sign deal with bank , right ?

they have to pay 2.5% of every transaction to bank

Lidle , Carefour, Auchan and other FOREIGN companies pay 0.25% because bank is foreign-owned corporations

i call it unfair business and double standard

about killing animals - we have animal right, animal cannot suffer, so it must be killed by shot in the head for example that causes imidiate death (i know it cause my family consist farmers), not by cutting throat and bleeding to death < this is barbaric torture causing pain to animal

we find "ritual killing" as INHUMAN and sadistic because animal suffers and is not killed in 0.1 second by shot in brain or electric shot

force them to steal to eat.

this is not fair , let they work like me, paying bank loan for 30 years

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

for such thing sentence is few years of prison, in prison other prisoners even can kill you if they will find you are pedophile (for many people pedophile is not human being and often pedohiles do not live till end of sentence and NOONE CARES about their death) many many people vote for death penalty for hurting child

I'll have to see the verdict, but I doubt his religion had anything to do.

how about ex-Muslims who escape death sentence in Pakistan, and they are to be evicted from Europe and they will face death for apostasy in Pakistan ?

If I'm not wrong the EU will always provide asylum to most of who face death penalty as it's considered inhumane here. Not a double standard, just principles / ethics.

when Polish shop want payment by card, not by cash, it has to sign deal with bank , right ?

they have to pay 2.5% of every transaction to bank

Lidle , Carefour, Auchan and other FOREIGN companies pay 0.25% because bank is foreign-owned corporations

i call it unfair business and double standard

But that is a double standard of the Polish Government or Polish banks, not the West or the companies. If I go to Lidl, Carrefour, Auchan, Media Markt, Decathlon, etc. I have the same paying conditions as if I go to a local supermarket ( and I've gone to that supermarkets in Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc. ).

about killing animals - we have animal right, animal cannot suffer, so it must be killed by shot in the head for example, not by cutting throat and bleeding to death < this is barbaric torture causing pain to animal

I don't know in Poland again, but in my home country it's allowed to slaughter a pig cutting its throat and bleeding to death ( in fact the blood is taken in a cube to do some products ), the only thing it's required is a vet in front to make sure everything is done properly ( as I told you in Spain it's even worst with the bull fighting ). And my home country is in the EU, NATO, and for instance there are people from my family in texts from 900 years ago ( so yeah, we are pure pure Europeans ). I think most of the "double standards" you comment or are something related to the policies in Poland or some extremist group manipulation; but not the "West".

[vilas 477]

If I'm not wrong the EU will always provide asylum to most of who face death penalty as it's considered inhumane here. Not a double standard, just principles / ethics.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/spain-deports-ex-muslim-for-criticizing-islam/

http://formermuslimsunited.org/conference-on-apostasy-sharia-law-and-human-rights-11-december-2010/

http://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-ex-muslim-atheists-face-death-in-pakistan-cancel-deportation-on-tuesday-5th-august-allow-asylum

http://www.atheismuk.com/2014/08/01/religion/islam/sign-petition-to-cancel-deportation-of-atheist-ex-muslims/comment-page-1/

https://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-ex-muslim-atheists-face-death-in-pakistan-cancel-deportation-on-tuesday-5th-august-allow-asylum/u/7792180?tk=Rzm0AGQKmiKaZhYyl_vqOB-PsflyGI6-EbEG3OKILTA&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email

this guy and other persons will be killed for apostasy if they will be deported

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/spain-deports-ex-muslim-for-criticizing-islam/

http://formermuslimsunited.org/conference-on-apostasy-sharia-law-and-human-rights-11-december-2010/

http://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-ex-muslim-atheists-face-death-in-pakistan-cancel-deportation-on-tuesday-5th-august-allow-asylum

http://www.atheismuk.com/2014/08/01/religion/islam/sign-petition-to-cancel-deportation-of-atheist-ex-muslims/comment-page-1/

Obviously a country can grant and deny asylum to whoever they think convenient, and for whatever reasons.

For instance here in Finland is something "municipal", each municipality decides how many asylum seekers do want to take care of and in which conditions.

this is not fair , let they work like me, paying bank loan for 30 years

The Government, hence the people ( as are who elected the Gov. ), esteems that those who are in weak positions deserve a little help. If you were in a weak position, you would receive help too, it's not a double standards.

[vilas 477]

i repeat, this guy will be killed by those Islamists , other persons who are to be deported , also will be killed,

for atheism, for converting to Christianity

they didn't comit any criminal act, they not raped, they not robbed, they just said "i do not believe in Allah" and they wait for death sentence,

also other names i can link to similar cases, i know about few such persons in Europe

i know personally Egyptian who is Christian Coptic/Orthodox and who escaped from Egypt after last events to other western country , but he had money, so he could

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it is really "funny" in the western thinking:

you can kill person who converted to Christianity or atheism by deportation, but you cannot kill someone who raped child or committed serious crime cause than it becomes "inhuman"

you deport people who wait for death for apostasy, but you not deport those who on your land say about Jihad and killing other Europeans like for example one woman from London who few days ago on twiter posted her kid with AK saying she will be killing Infidels from UK

this Pakistani guy and others whom i read about - never had conflict with law , they were not robbing , stealing, they worked and not needed "taxpayer money", deported should be those who not work but commit crime and need "taxpayer money" or those who bring Jihad to EU,

i work now 80 hours a week sometimes in 2 jobs, cause i have to and i do not ask for tax money

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

it is really "funny" in the western thinking:

you can kill person who converted to Christianity or atheism by deportation, but you cannot kill someone who raped child or committed serious crime cause than it becomes "inhuman"

We think that is inhuman that's why we don't do it. But of course we can't force other countries to do and think the same way we do. Unless they are going too far ( genocides, etc. ).

BTW the freedom of speech is another principle in the Western and democratic countries. Obviously as long as it doesn't infringe the law.

On the other hand, it's weird that they allowed the deportation in that conditions, I'd have to know more about the case.

i work now 80 hours a week sometimes in 2 jobs, cause i have to and i do not ask for tax money

In the Western countries that I know it's forbidden to work so many hours per week ( in a normal job ). So again it's something that concerns Poland and your principles.

[vilas 477]

nope - it is forbiden to work in 1 job, i work for 2-3 jobs cause i sign such deals ,

you can have as many jobs as you want, you can even sign deal or contract with 100000 companies if you want, just pay tax, noone cares how many contracts you sign, if you want earn more, you sign another contract with another company, i sign individual contracts on modeling or textures or photos,

i do not understand "help or they will steal", if they will steal - deport them

i work 8AM till 4 PM, than i go to other company 5PM-8 PM, than in Saturday sit from 11 AM to 2 AM , just tax is important and i do not want this tax to be wasted

Obviously as long as it doesn't infringe the law.

supporting Jihad should be forbidden

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

nope - it is forbiden to work in 1 job, i work for 2-3 jobs cause i sign such deals

But then it's your own decision, so you should not compare with he people that don't think in the same way.

Although I'm pretty sure that at least in some countries there is a total limit of work hours.

supporting Jihad should be forbidden

Well, you can promote a campaign to create a law in that direction in those countries.

[negah 26]

Well, you can promote a campaign to create a law in that direction in those countries.

Well you can as well found a political party with certain goals but as it is the people are used to elect 1 or 2 similar parties because "they always did it" or "everyone does it" or "its good as it is, why change something" so you wont change anything.

In best case your party will soon be forgotten, in worst case you will offend some big boss with your ideas and all mainstream media will be set loose upon you telling how crazy/abhuman/unmoral/totallyevil you and your party are making you regret having the idea of trying to change something.

You can also go and try protest, but aparrently only the russians and chinese are evil when they use police to quell dissent. Western countries are entirely eligible to do it in order to retain peace and order.

What I mean, as long as someones big interests are at stake, the interests of the common people are flushed down the toilet and you can start as many political campaigns as you want, most likely it will royally backfire.

[mistyronin 1181]

What I mean, as long as someones big interests are at stake, the interests of the common people are flushed down the toilet and you can start as many political campaigns as you want, most likely it will royally backfire.

If that's the case you can always find someone with opposite interests. In any case I do believe that for more powerful some people may be, the united will of the people can always defeat always the main interests. The problem is to convince everyone.

[mistyronin 1181]

( BBC ) Holocaust survivors condemn Israel's Gaza 'genocide'

More than 300 Jewish survivors of the Holocaust and descendants of survivors have issued a public statement condemning Israel's "genocide" of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

Here you have the link to the statement of the 300 survivors.

[vilas 477]

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4411.htm

[Sooke 13]

Is this surprising to you Vilas ?

Let me try to understand.

Russia expanding to Crimea = Bad

Israel expanding to Palestine = Good

What's the difference ? Ukraine being democracy ?

Well Palestine had the chance to at least try to become one.

They had elections, no massive fraud, except of the 2 party they had they've choosen the one we don't like so we've called that election unvalid.

That's a way to show them how it's done !

What do you think would be your mindset if you had grown up in the gaza strip ?

If you were lucky to make it to 18, dodging the bombs, the bullets, overcoming the lack of food and water, most your family,if not all, would be dead by now.

Do you really think you would want to make peace with your family murderers ? With the guys who stole your grand father's land more than 60 years ago ? Honestly ?

I guess we'll find out if Russia ever wants to expand to Poland...

As long as Israel will deny basic rights to the Palestinian people they'll turn them into resistants, willing to sacrifice themselves, because they have nothing to lose.

But I know this won't make you change your mind so here is an idea :

You go for 2 weeks in the middle east. You spend one in Israel and one in the Gaza strip.

And when you come back you tell us who has the shittiest life, who has something to look forward to and who hasn't.

Who has the comfort of a climatised living room with flat screens, PS4, a fridge filled with food and drinkable water from the tap and who can only watch his neighbours enjoying those.

Finally you tell us who is in the best position, who should make an effort to make the first step towards peace.

If Israel is so keen for a peace process there's always the UN resolution 242 they've been ignoring for the last 50 years. It might be a good start...

[sgtsev3n 12]

2000 deaths and they tell us "israel" defend themselves.

israel is a terrorist state and this has nothing to do with anti semitic:

- most of the jews inside and outside "israel" (palestine) are anti-zionist.

- jews inside "israel" who speaks out against israel get beaten by the police. i want to say with that, that the israeli police use the same violence against anti-zionist jews like they use the violence against palestinians.

- in syria and in iran, there live jews and they live very well there (but most of the jews in syria runned away from the western sponsored FSA, al-Nusra and IS). these jews who lives in syria and in iran were asked by israeli dictatorship to come to israel and they will get much money if they come to israel, yet the jews who were asked did not moved to israel.

- the israeli dictatorship are the biggest anti-semitic out there. killing innocents and call themselves jews, yet killing innocents has nothing to do with judaism.

- arabs are semitic peoples too.

and hamas, what is hamas ? its the same as al-CIAda = created by the same people who are "fighting them". they are there for a excuse to attack.

the U.S Regime used the 9/11 excuse (which was an inside job) and the al-qaeda excuse (which were created by the CIA) to invade certain countries in the middle east.

there are many resistance groups in palestine, yet israel use everytime hamas as excuse for theyr deadly attacks. ask yourself why.