Tonci87 163 Posted June 15, 2014 Seeing how people enjoy conspiracy theories, and are unable to link any source related to them, I'll add one article from Voltaire Network, the "free-speech" alternative press circle created by the French Thierry Meyssan. ( Voltaire Network ) IEIL: Iraq turns to U.S. for help I guess that most of you already know about Thierry Meyssan, he's the one that published couple books about how the 9/11 was an inside job ( 9/11: The Big Lie ), the Pentagon attack was a missile... ( Le Pentagate ) That seem to be followed by some people in this forums. According to him even Nazism was created by Jewish Zionists with the goal to create the State of Israel. So again, according to him the Nazis invaded Europe, create the biggest of the wars, provoked the dead of millions of people ( some of them Jewish ). Just to create the country of Israel. So in summary, this guy qualifies as an idiot. Got it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
negah 26 Posted June 15, 2014 According to N24.de ISIS have published photos showing that they have been executing captive iraqi soldiers on the internet. The amount of victims counts in hundreds, according to ISIS. Some photographs picture men in civilian clothes with cuffed hands being forced to lay down into a pit. Other photographs show ISIS fighters firing into that pit. Apparently the authenticity of the photographs cannot be proved. http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/4895956/isis-rebellen-sollen-exekutionen-vollstreckt-haben.html 13:25 Uhr: ISIS veröffentlicht Bilder angeblicher Hinrichtungen ISIS-Rebellen haben nach eigenen Angaben hunderte irakische Soldaten hingerichtet. Im Internet verbreitete Fotos zeigen dutzende Leichen. Die Echtheit der Bilder, die in der Provinz Saleheddin nördlich von Bagdad gemacht worden sein sollen, konnte nicht überprüft werden. Ein Foto zeigt eine Reihe gefesselter Männer in Zivilkleidung mit auf dem Rücken gefesselten Händen. Auf einem zweiten Bild werden die Männer auf Lastwagen geladen. Auf einem weiteren Foto ist zu sehen, wie die Männer gezwungen werden, sich in einer flachen Grube auf den Boden zu legen, während Kämpfer mit der Isil-Fahne zuschauen. Dann wird gezeigt, wie die mit Sturmgewehren bewaffneten Isil-Kämpfer offenbar in die Grube feuern. It seems ISIS want to demoralize Iraqi army even more, but such photographs would rather prevent Iraqi soldiers from surrendering. I dont understand what they wanted to achieve here. Photographs were not linked in the article and I dont want to look for them anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 It seems ISIS want to demoralize Iraqi army even more, but such photographs would rather prevent Iraqi soldiers from surrendering. I dont understand what they wanted to achieve here.Photographs were not linked in the article and I dont want to look for them anyway. It's a typical strategy to terrorize the enemy, to make them to flee without fighting. It's like when in medieval times they throw the heads of the prisoners with a catapult into the besieged cities ( that was done for example by the Catalan Almogavers in Greece ) or in Romania the real "Dracula" was known to impale their enemies. Up to this moment has worked perfectly, but its also true that up to this moment they were fighting in Sunii territory, while most of the army is Shii. But now they are fighting for their own land and families... so we will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) Seeing how people enjoy conspiracy theories It looks like you have no idea what is conspiracy theory,and just throwing this whenever someone tries to do some analysis ! and it starts to become boring ... and yeah,the media is doing a very dirty job there,why the hell do they insist on the fact that ISIS are just a bunch of SUNNI jihadists while the victims are CHII guys ? these kind of amalgams are the reason that create hatred in subconscious mind of people against a particular community ! nowadays,whenever terrorism is stated the first image that comes to mind is islam ... same is going to happen to sunni people,but again why would they want to foment this hatred between chia and sunna (which just appeared recently) ? Edited June 15, 2014 by Xalteva Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 You have no idea what is conspiracy theory,and just throwing this whenever someone tries to do some analysis ! and it starts to become boring ... So if for you the idea that the US is a true evil that agreed secretly with a Saudi prince to create jihadi army to provoke a conflict in Iraq to debilitate the country's links with Iran and also invade part of Syria so the US can intervene is not a conspiracy theory... Then I don't know what could be... If to that, you add that the main defender of that theory is a nuts guy who is famous for publishing books saying that US is an Evil Empire, that the 9 11 was an inside job, and that the Nazism was an invention of the Zionists to create the State of Israel... A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation. yeah,the media is doing a very dirty job there,why the hell do they insist on the fact that ISIS are just a bunch of SUNNI jihadists while the victims are CHII guys ? I don't know what media do you watch / listen to, but in non that I have watched say that ISIS is just a bunch of Sunni jihadist and that Shii are victims. Not even the most radical propaganda medias like the FOX or RT say that kind of things. Everyone knows that Iraq was a artificial construction of the British Empire including three different opposite factions ( Kurds, Shii and Sunni ). That Saddam Hussein dictatorship managed to keep under control ( in the same way Tito in Yugoslavia ). I don't know for you, but in my case the situation in Iraq worries me quite much, as one of my good friends is precisely from Baghdad ( although now is living in Finland ), and he is really afraid for his family that is still there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted June 15, 2014 First,i have no idea who is that french guy and i am not too much into zionist stuff : all i know is that Israel governement is committing crimes against palestinian people everyday ,and it doesnt seem to bother anyone,or to say the "jewish" israeli state since it's an officially religious state ! Also,and as i stated in the closed 9/11 thread,i don't say it was an inside job or terrorist job (whoever did that is a terrorist anyway),but i believe that it's too cartesian to be true ! ok now ,it's clear for you,no need to shake this barrel anymore ! My point concerning ISIS and the Iraqi army,is that adding "Sunni" or "Chii" to describe some part of the conflict is useless detail that will do more damage in the future ! and yes,i blame US governement for what's happening in Iraq right now (embargo first,and invasion) ... Saddam Hussein and his regime were doing a great job at keeping peace in Iraq,he was maybe a dictator but it apparently was the best way as Iraq was doing just fine during his ruling days in terms of (education,health and security)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) First,i have no idea who is that french guy and i am not too much into zionist stuff Then why you said in your last message? It looks like you have no idea what is conspiracy theory,and just throwing this whenever someone tries to do some analysis ! and it starts to become boring ... Why you even felt eluded? Or was just flamebaiting to keep crashing the thread? My point concerning ISIS and the Iraqi army,is that adding "Sunni" or "Chii" to describe some part of the conflict is useless detail that will do more damage in the future ! It's really important in a country like Iraq to have in mind which ethnicity and sect is everyone. Mainly because it's an artificial union of opposite factions ( Shia, Sunni and Kurdish ) For instance the main problem right now is that PM al-Maliki is mainly creating a Shia gov. state instead of a unity one; that fueled the distances with the Sunni population. Also it's important to have in mind that most of the members of the Iraqi Army are Shii who don't feel comfortable defending the Sunni territories, while the ISIL army has received the support of both Sunni population and former Saddam Hussein's top military officers ( who are Sunni too ). Saddam who came from a Sunni background kept the country in order, gassing Kurds and crushing Shia, while ruling the country with a mainly Sunni Gov. and Army. Also trying to separate state and religion. Iraq's actual situation is another product of Imperialism ( like Ukraine, Spain situation with Catalans and Basque, ex Yugoslavia, etc. ). Obviously the US also took advantage of the clash of factions, both in the first and the second Gulf Wars. - - - ( Reuters ) Iraq rebel advance spreads to northwest The insurgent offensive that has threatened to dismember Iraq spread to the northwest of the country on Sunday, when Sunni militants launched a dawn raid on a town close to the Syrian border, clashing with police and government forces. ( BBC ) Iraq conflict: Images purport to show 'massacre' by militants The Sunni extremist group that has taken territory across Iraq has posted photos online that appear to show its fighters massacring Iraqi soldiers.The army personnel are pictured being led away and then lying in trenches before and after their "execution". Iraqi military spokesman Lt Gen Qassim al-Moussawi said the pictures were authentic and depicted events in Salahuddin province. But the images' authenticity has not been independently confirmed. Edited June 15, 2014 by MistyRonin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.kju 3245 Posted June 15, 2014 Decent analysis: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/06/14-iraq-military-situation-pollack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted June 15, 2014 ;2710667']Decent analysis: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/06/14-iraq-military-situation-pollack Well,this will end up dividing the country into three parts :S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 Well,this will end up dividing the country into three parts :S IMO that wouldn't be that bad. Personally I dislike the Imperialist origin artificial states, they only create wars ( British were professionals on doing that ): India vs Pakistan. Israel vs Palestine. etc. The problem is that the Shii would become Iran ally, the Kurdish will ask for the Kurdish territories in Syria and Turkey, and the Sunni would become a Islamic extreme country like Saudi Arabia or Yemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted June 15, 2014 Well,this will end up dividing the country into three parts :S Nothing can stop that now. The only question is when. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted June 15, 2014 I´m still impressed that the Kurds can actually hold off the attackers, they aren´t headlessly fleeing like the Iraqui Army did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) I´m still impressed that the Kurds can actually hold off the attackers, they aren´t headlessly fleeing like the Iraqui Army did. Sunni ISIL main enemy are Shia. Kurds in fact barely fought them. The Iraqi soldiers that disbanded or were Sunni that didn't see the point to fight for a Pro-Shia Gov. or mainly Shia who didn't see the point to fight for Sunni territory where they don't feel identified. ( Vice News ) Iraqi Soldiers Fleeing ISIS Claim They Were 'Abandoned' by Senior Officers Edited June 15, 2014 by MistyRonin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted June 15, 2014 Kurdish peshmergas are well organized and disciplined. ISIL would be crushed if they try to fight them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 15, 2014 Weapons for all ages inside ISIL: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 16, 2014 ( BBC ) Iraq conflict: US considers talks with Iran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krycek 349 Posted June 16, 2014 Western embassies in Baghdad evacuate staff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted June 16, 2014 Weapons for all ages inside ISIL:https://assets-news.vice.com/images/2014/06/15/crisis-in-iraq-live-blog-article-body-image-1402831318.jpg Seriously,you don't go to fight in a white djellaba ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 16, 2014 Seriously,you don't go to fight in a white djellaba ... Are you sure? I always thought it was ISIL official combat uniform... - - - ( Al Jazeera ) US steps up military preparations over Iraq The US secretary of state has said his country is considering drone strikes in Iraq and is open to cooperation with Iran, as more US ships sailed towards the Gulf to deal with lightning advances by Sunni fighters.John Kerry on Monday said drone strikes were "not the whole answer" to the takeover of large parts of northern Iraq by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in the north of Iraq. However, he said that they could be "one of the options that are important". "When you have people murdering, assassinating in these mass massacres, you have to stop that. And you do what you need to do if you need to try to stop it from the air or otherwise." When asked if the US was willing to work with Iran to save Baghdad's government, Kerry said his country would "not rule out anything that would be constructive". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted June 16, 2014 Are you sure? I always thought it was ISIL official combat uniform... Yes,white before and after the fight ... maybe ISIS have something useful for humanity after all ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwarden 1125 Posted June 17, 2014 what's really standing out is the Kurdish organized defense ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) ( BBC ) Iraq conflict: Clashes on approaches to Baghdad http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1402992311425/iraq_baquba.svg (537 kB) Edited June 17, 2014 by MistyRonin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted June 17, 2014 Vice News with some coverage of the Kurdish forces Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted June 17, 2014 Vice News with some coverage of the Kurdish forces Good video. I have shared it with some of my Iraqi friends, to see what they think about it ( if they want to watch it, because... ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
