Iraq (current news/events)

[Xalteva 10]

Tbh I dont get whats funny about that, stolen or earned they have money, and plenty of it, be it they are being funded which is worse then robbing banks they come across.

But Islamic state based on stolen money, i dont think they are touting that, nor the people over there recognize them as being "fake" or not true in their cause.

Yes, good question ! this is the issue with the majority of people, they hear things on the TV and they emit judgements based of their very light understanding of concepts, i used to be like this too ! until i started doing my own researches ... Anyway, the funny point about them stealing "paper" money from a mosul bank is that in a "normal" islamic state ,the use of a currency that doesnt contain its value within itself is forbidden, during the previous islamic state and the caliphate before it, they were using "Dinar" wich is a piece of gold and the "Derham" which is a piece of silver ! that was their currency, and this is one of the major basics in the sharia's economic model !

Here's one of the few english videos i found talking about the subject :

Not talking about punishement of stealing in islam which ofcourse everyone knows ...

I am sure if i dig into that video,and with a deeper research, i can come up with a lot of contradictions with the previous "islamic state" which ,by the way, was ruling the world with science and economy and ofcourse conquests ,not with this savagery.

But,i agree on most of what you have said in your first comment :)

Religion only separates and divides, they all talk of peace and love but the east has a history of war and fighting over their beliefs. Their actions speak for themselves.

Actually every religion or ideology was made to gather people ,politics is what exploits religions to create fights ! 55 million people died in the WW2 and it was not a religious war ! i can come up with more examples ...

Like the Hisbad you seen in the vid, these guys go around enforcing sharia law, as well as help locals with problems they face, Taliban were doing the same thing, in a way it seems

like a positive thing, or a good thing for alot of them people, on the flip side the whole thing is like a double edge sword.

We are all enforced to follow some law actually ,aren't we ? maybe the way it is done is more elegant ?

Edited August 19, 2014 by Xalteva

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

and hopes it expands into Iran

there is your answer,i think this been the goal all along,they could never attack them directly so why dont use nutcases to attack them so you dont loose forces but your "friends" and them do. but they cant defeat them that is clear but mayby drag them into some sort of fight along the border and then play politics and claim iran invades Iraq so we must help Iraq! something like this is a possibility. or just have them rack havoc and genocides in Iraq like they do in syria to destabilize Iraq. also a possibility. you never know until its set in motion.

and offcource the west and the US together with their allies in the middle east have a big hand in the creation, funding ,training and supporting ISIS! its pretty clear when you go look and dont believe the press, that is also run by the same guys! they where very handy in fighting in syria! but where they ordered into Iraq or just went is not so clear, mayby they did maybe they didn.

there is indeed more to it than some crazy guys going around cutting of heads and grabbing land to claim their own!

[mistyronin 1181]

and offcource the west and the US together with their allies in the middle east have a big hand in the creation, funding ,training and supporting ISIS! its pretty clear when you go look and dont believe the press, that is also run by the same guys! they where very handy in fighting in syria! but where they ordered into Iraq or just went is not so clear, mayby they did maybe they didn.

I think you are missing an important part of the deal.

First, IS ( former Islamic State of Iraq, later added "and Levant" meaning Syria ) was born in Iraq to fight the US occupation ( about 2003 ), then it spread to Syria, not otherwise. They took advantage of the chaos after the invasion, the lack of a central power like Saddam Hussein, and got a lot of support when the Iraq Gov. became mainly Shia.

When they spread to Syria, the US tried to fight them paying and training some other groups. Obviously some of that groups got mixed up, so yeah at some instance the US/NATO contributed, but indirectly ( I guess you could even find some links to the Cold War when both the US and Russia were playing with the local warlords of the Middle East ).

About who pays the bills now? Well there are some Arab millionaires, mainly in Arabia Saudi that have financed that kind of groups.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

you do know the US set the sectarian groups up dont you? they where facing a uprising so they payed and armed the opposite side to go fight them so the US wouldn loose men(btw didn work so well), and why do everybody suddenly say that its a islamic state no they still isis and their payed and funded by the west and indeed middle eastern country's; btw not only saudi's!

When they spread to Syria, the US tried to fight them paying and training some other groups

no they didn,that whas the point off the us paying funding arming and supporting them, to go fight and kill in syria,because the US couldn attack syria directly, so use the crazy guys to do it. same with al-nusra, the us and its friends in the area didn gave anything to the moderate so-called rebels but rather gave it to ISIS and Al-Nusra! and its been proven,even the moderate rebels went back to the syrian army to help free their country of those nutcases.

misty you got to much faith in the US and the west, their not so pretty as you think!

[ProfTournesol 956]

That's a nice Sci Fi scenario Mister Spoetnik, i guess they could buy it on RT.

[mistyronin 1181]

misty you got to much faith in the US and the west, their not so pretty as you think!

No. I have faith in the people that I know that have been there.

And you are wrong, in Syria there are three sides. The Syrian Army of Al Assad, the Free Syrian Army ( the "democrats" ) and the Extremist Islamist groups mainly fighting under the umbrella of IS.

The ones that were funded by the US / NATO were the Free Syrian Army with the condition that they will fight the Islamists.

As I told you IS was born in Iraq to fight the US, in fact at the beginning were part of Al Qaeda, but they went rogue and after almost ten years attacking the US and NATO also moved to Syria.

BTW as I told you before all this situation was caused by both US and Russia during the Cold War, and later the invasion of Iraq.

[maturin 12]

you do know the US set the sectarian groups up dont you? they where facing a uprising so they payed and armed the opposite side to go fight them so the US wouldn loose men(btw didn work so well), and why do everybody suddenly say that its a islamic state no they still isis and their payed and funded by the west and indeed middle eastern country's; btw not only saudi's!

That's a paranoid fantasy. Enough.

The U.S. failed in Iraq precisely because of the sectarian violence that was unleashed. That's what caused the war to drag on inevitably and cost so many American lives. And before you start blathering about the military industrial complex and oil companies, the Iraq War's length bankrupted the United States, and now the results are disrupted oil production in Iraq and steep budget cuts for the military. The Bush administration wanted nothing but stability in Iraq, and their last ditch effort (the Surge) was entirely focused on ending sectarian violence. Stupidity before malice, always.

So your idiotic statements require that the U.S. and its CIA be the all-powerful puppet-masters of everything, secretly controlling all political forces (besides Putin the hero), and yet failing in all of their own policy imperatives by doing so. The CIA started the Arab Spring because it wanted political Islam to be revitalized? Because it wanted to destroy its oldest Arab ally and endanger the Egypt-Israel peace? It toppled Gaddafi (who had been happily selling oil for a generation) because it wanted to disrupt its own oil supply?

You deeply dimwitted people spend your entire political lives obsessing about the West without ever having the foggiest idea how it actually works, or what it thinks. It's like being lectured on the nuances of solar power by a troglodyte.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

hey i cant tell the blind to see, btw if you dont understand it all i cant help you ! you do see some parts of it while you dont even want to see the other parts! that you choise not mine. also you might know i do live in the west i am a white western guy but with some real sence of whats going on in the world! you dont believe it all then DONT thats your choise!

Why did they kill off gaddafi? not because he wanted to "so-called disrupe his oil to the west BS) no, only he didn wanted to sell it in petrodollars but in golden dinars,six months later he was killed! thats the true power yes! dont mess with the petrodollar or get killed same with saddam,he wanted to do the same(not sell it in euro's or dollars) we know also wat happend to him.

and mayby do little research before go and attacking ppl with your own propaganda crazy stuff.

in Syria there are three sides. The Syrian Army of Al Assad, the Free Syrian Army ( the "democrats" ) and the Extremist Islamist groups mainly fighting under the umbrella of IS.

,yes indeed,but witch side did the west and arab country's supported? not the rebels, al-nusra and isis(btw they ARE a CIA tool)with the best stuff,money and non-lethal aid(in the words off barack hussain).

[mistyronin 1181]

,yes indeed,but witch side did the west and arab country's supported? not the rebels, al-nusra and isis(btw they ARE a CIA tool)with the best stuff,money and non-lethal aid(in the words off barack hussain).

The US/NATO I told you funded the Free Syrian Army, trained them and gave them weapons with the condition to fight IS. That's why IS is killing also hundreds of FSA, etc.

About who "created" most of the worst groups, I already told you that the genesis of that groups was during the Cold War, when both the USSR and the US funded and trained local militias and warlords.

Both sides were so blind and wanted to expand their area of power so badly that didn't realized that it could turn against them as it did ( Al Qaeda against the US and a lot of extremists fought together with the Chechens against Russia, and IS against both ).

But in Iraq and Syria that groups were not a major issue as the dictators that harshly ruled those countries keep them at bay.

The problem was when both dictatorships trembled. In Iraq with the Coalition invasion and in Syria during the civil war. Then those groups that had been fighting and hiding, could fight in the open and gained a lot of terrain.

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( Al Jazeera ) Islamic State is our top enemy: Saudi mufti

Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority has condemned the armed groups Islamic State and al-Qaeda as apostates and labelled them the "number one enemy of Islam".

The country's grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, said on Tuesday that terrorism, which he accuses the groups of committing on a systematic scale, had no place in Islam's ideology.

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BTW if according to you the US created IS to fight Al Assad ( even if IS existed since 2003 ) Why on Earth do Al Assad officials ask the US to also strike IS in Syria ( or do you know better than Syrians? ):

[maturin 12]

Why did they kill off gaddafi? not because he wanted to "so-called disrupe his oil to the west BS) no, only he didn wanted to sell it in petrodollars but in golden dinars,six months later he was killed! thats the true power yes!

Yeah, it's true power that the CIA used its time machine to make a Tunisian fruit seller set himself on fire, sparking an enormous popular revolution in Egypt, with the uprising finally spreading to Libya.

Now tell me how the OSS was behind the Japanese tsunami as a distraction for the invasion of Okinawa. It just came late because because they misplaced a decimal point over at DARPA.

[vilas 473]

i do not understand why some people whitening religious freaks and instead to see religion-led hatered and real madness of fighters - try to create conspiracy theories, no, there are no needed conspiracy theories - people led by irrational beliefs are capable to destory anythiing because "god told so"

[batto 17]

That's a nice Sci Fi scenario Mister Spoetnik, i guess they could buy it on RT.

Except it's true. Fake Syrian Army was bunch of murderers from the beginning, _long_ before western media shifted back into reality. We were told lies, everything was Assad's fault, fake videos used as evidence, .... And the support wasn't just propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

I have to chuckle a bit. Either the intelligence of US is so poor that they couldn't predict what they were creating or this is part of some complex geopolitical plan. I tend to believe to latter.

EDIT: Oh and I don't imply there was some media conspiracy. Just that most journalists were lazy cowards playing into policy.

Edited August 19, 2014 by batto

[Xalteva 10]

i do not understand why some people whitening religious freaks and instead to see religion-led hatered and real madness of fighters - try to create conspiracy theories, no, there are no needed conspiracy theories - people led by irrational beliefs are capable to destory anythiing because "god told so"

This suggests that the human race should have disappeared a long time ago :D

When politicians finish doing their plans they go to the loo take down their pants and s*** a huge thing that we call the "news" ! and it smells baaaaaad :D

[ProfTournesol 956]

Except it's true. Fake Syrian Army was bunch of murderers from the beginning, _long_ before western media shifted back into reality. We were told lies, everything was Assad's fault, fake videos used as evidence, .... And the support wasn't just propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

I have to chuckle a bit. Either the intelligence of US is so poor that they couldn't predict what they were creating or this is part of some complex geopolitical plan. I tend to believe to latter.

Free Syrian Army is very much something else than a "bunch of murderers", you have not much clue about it, even if the situation is now very confused.

[batto 17]

Free Syrian Army is very much something else than a "bunch of murderers", you have not much clue about it, even if the situation is now very confused.

Fake Syrian Army is very much something like "bunch of murderers", you have not much clue about it, even if the situation is now very confused.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a44_1408393981

These oppressed rebels (who really really fight for freedom and not for false prophet) are firing TOW smuggled from Iran provided by Putin manufactured by China... with obligatory snackbar chant. Where the hell did Islamic State get weapons from?

Edited August 19, 2014 by batto

[Dwarden 1124]

but to fair, you forgot the other bad guys getting ATGM (e.g. TOW) from Turkey too ...

everyone in region and all world powers are sort of responsible for the actual mess and it's spiraling out of control slowly

[ProfTournesol 956]

Fake Syrian Army is very much something like "bunch of murderers", you have not much clue about it, even if the situation is now very confused.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a44_1408393981

These oppressed rebels (who really really fight for freedom and not for false prophet) are firing TOW smuggled from Iran provided by Putin manufactured by China... with obligatory snackbar chant. Where the hell did Islamic State get weapons from?

FSA isn't IS, it was built on the numerous desertors of the Syrian Army, but it probably doesn't exist anymore per se, as the Jihadists are becoming very powerful. But simplifying things is so easy, so yes, the whole Syrian opposition are the ugly bad guys while Assad is so nice.

Back on topic.

Edited August 20, 2014 by ProfTournesol

[Phantom Six 25]

Not sure if everyone have saw James Foley execution video or not (I'll probably not post it since its really graphic). It's pretty bad, you can find it on liveleaks.

[vilas 473]

i seen 200 videos of beheading, stoning to death, cutting throat and etc. i get used to such videos and they not make any schock on me since decade, one video more is not needed, i already think about Islamic state what John Carry said yesterday, Islamic state is evil and must be destroyed, Sharia is against human rights and freedom, no matter that in Islam they have better banking (more honest banking, no blank false money banking), proper treat criminals (this is what i would take from their civilization to our), maybe better consumer support (quality of products and price control), but noone should force anyone to wear or to eat something or forbid music, noone should kill for apostasy or converting to Christianity, those who do it, must be destroyed , middle ages no more,

human person has right to personal freedom, to wear what one want, to eat what one want, to listen to music and watch any movie including porn if one want, to have hair cut that you want, not that is prescribed by any regulation, etc.

Islamic state would be the first to use atomic bomb if they could get single stolen warhead from black market, they do not want to LIVE on this planet, they want "to go to heaven" (cause they believe in life after life and that this life is not important) and we (civilised world) should do all to help them in that goal

Islamic state is cancer, deadly virus that want to destroy our civilization (they publish maps about conquering Europe) and we should do all to sustain our civilization , although our civilization have a lot of bugs (we are neither saint, nor fair), but we can listen to music, eat what we want and when we want (no Ramadans, we can buy any kind of food any day, shops are open), we have sexual freedom (we can date anyone on adult sites) etc.

with all our bugs and mistakes and dirts - freedom is better

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.be/2014/08/isis-region-wide-genocide-portended-in.html

A nice piece to show and make you understand the truth behind ISIS.

[sudayev 27]

Radical islamism can be only fought with fire. Sorry to say, but hard and secular regime in Iraq with ruthless secret service would be the only solution to keep them from spreading. USA efforts in introducing democracy were pointless. In arab countries - only authoritarian rule is the most effective rule and guarantee of stability in the region.

So called western interventions wont solve the problem and once they will bail out of Iraq, the Islamic will come back for more, repeat. Iraq is screwed for good now.

[aleksadragutin 9]

Radical islamism can be only fought with fire. Sorry to say, but hard and secular regime in Iraq with ruthless secret service would be the only solution to keep them from spreading. USA efforts in introducing democracy were pointless. In arab countries - only authoritarian rule is the most effective rule and guarantee of stability in the region.

So called western interventions wont solve the problem and once they will bail out of Iraq, the Islamic will come back for more, repeat. Iraq is screwed for good now.

So let's phone Saddam then, oh wait, we can't. Democracy doesn't work for everyone.

[vilas 473]

democracy works for educated people , not for those who are told that earth is flat by local preacher (authentic preaching of some Mullah) or that earthquakes are caused by women who wear short skirts,

if you are taught in veterinary course that cow bleed because it is anally raped by aliens,

than when you as young veterinary go to ill cow, you tell farmer to install AA-launcher against flying saucers instead of tell him that cow bleeds cause she get wrong food with something that hurt her stomach,

people blinded by religion must be educated about world abroad, till their only knowledge is local religious Quoranic school , all they know is "they must kill Infidels" and we cannot stop them other way than weapons,

they see "satan, evil" everywhere around, they see music as evil, they see other food as evil etc.

they are taught by preacher that they can lie to infidel , they can steal from infidel, they can kill infidel and it is okay, cause infidel is not human,

they do not understand that infidel is human, they not understand what causes earthquake, their level of knowledge is ancient one,

go to ancient era and tell "sun will shine even if you not pray to god of sun" - they will not believe you, they will tell that sun shines because they pray to god of sun,

some hundreds years ago people were controlled by religion fear - they were told - sun is dark cause you sin,

so they afraid that sun will become dark, today we know that trajectory of moon meets trajectory of sun from time to time,

those people believe it is thanx to god, and they fight for this god, as local preacher told them, we have to resist from such enemy by any means,

also their leaders keep them in middle ages, their leaders do it with purpose, their leaders study on our universities psychology ,

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[aleksadragutin 9]

That's your opinion.

[katipo66 94]

He just hates Muslim people, probably other cultures and races and just repeats typical racist mantra.

These ISIS guys seem to be really well trained and very well equipped foreign mercenaries at least at leadership level who are able to recruit many foreign fighters who seem to get free passes into the region? Islam hates these guys, but some in the west love them for obvious reasons, interesting times.