Iraq (current news/events)

[Xalteva 10]

It's a different way of see things that you are unable to support with reliable sources ( well in fact not even with not reliable ).

I'm sorry but this thread is not about what you think about Iraq, and what imaginary connections you see there. You can create your own thread for that.

This one is about talking about the actual events adding news and sources, and commenting them. As you are not following that requirements I have already asked for moderation.

I am commenting as well based on the facts you posted yourself,it's the way i link them that is different than yours ! and this is what makes it a personal opinion ...

Edited June 12, 2014 by Xalteva

[lesscubes 1]

What's ironic in this sad story is that Iran and the USA are now virtually allied.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend. If the ISIL were Shia it'd be a different story. The Iranians weren't fans of the Taliban either and supported the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. (Even after the US got involved.)

Some US trained armies fair better than others... All the training and top shelf equipment in the world couldn't fix ARVN. Iraq might be the same...

ETA: A quote from Andrew Tuohy (Retired Corpsman, OIF Vet, and the mind behind Vuurwapen blog.) Cant link to the source, it's on facebook.

"I went to an Iraqi Army basic training graduation once. There was a near-riot - I am not exaggerating - when it was announced that the newly minted soldiers would be stationed fifty or eighty miles from their homes.

After the soldiers were calmed down by an Iraqi general, I spoke to a few of them about why they were upset. They tried to impress upon me how much their lives would suck if they had to be so far away from their families.

I didn't have much confidence in the Iraqi Army's will to fight after that. Their retreat from ISIS, leaving much of Iraq in a zone of danger, is no surprise to me - but it is saddening.

I hope the Kurds can protect their little slice of the world."

Edited June 13, 2014 by lesscubes

[katipo66 94]

I'm sorry but this thread is not about what you think about Iraq, and what imaginary connections you see there. You can create your own thread for that. / As you are not following that requirements I have already asked for moderation.

Really!? Then re-name the thread "Iraq - how mistyronin sees it"

censorship alive and well.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Some US trained armies fair better than others... All the training and top shelf equipment in the world couldn't fix ARVN. Iraq might be the same..."

The dismissal of the former Iraki Army in 2003 was a major mistake, among others. This country hasn't any structure left it can rely on.

[mistyronin 1181]

Really!? Then re-name the thread "Iraq - how mistyronin sees it"

censorship alive and well.

Nope, in the first post said:

Basically this thread is to publish and comment the recent news about the situation in Iraq, where ISIL is taking a lot of ground to the Iraqi Army, and their forces are right now at less than 90km from Baghdad.

Remember to be polite in your comments and always link the sources.

If you are not gonna do that and talk about offtopic conspiracies, just create own threat.

Edited June 13, 2014 by MistyRonin

[maddogx 13]

in the first post said:

Basically this thread is to publish and comment the recent news about the situation in Iraq, where ISIL is taking a lot of ground to the Iraqi Army, and their forces are right now at less than 90km from Baghdad.

Remember to be polite in your comments and always link the sources.

I have edited the thread title accordingly to avoid any further confusion.

[mistyronin 1181]

I have edited the thread title accordingly to avoid any further confusion.

Thank you, it was my mistake to not clarify it enough.

From now on I'll ask that all further argumentations in your comments to be founded in some sources that we all can check.

To avoid any kind of phantasy like "I think that is all an alien conspiracy, that martians secretly fund ISIS " ( unless you have proof, then you are strongly encouraged to publish it, I'd like to be the first to know about aliens promoting wars in the Earth ).

I'll edit the first post.

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Going back to topic:

( Al Jazeera ) ISIL: a united front in Iraq?

( BBC ) Iraq conflict: ISIS militants seize new towns

( ITAR-TASS ) Russia to initiate UN SC meeting on terrorism in Middle East — Churkin

Edited June 13, 2014 by MistyRonin

[katipo66 94]

Its like cooking bro, you take one part fox(all arabs are terroists)news and another part press(death to america)tv mix the 2 together and there might be some resemblance of the truth, i understand that you maybe very well educated, at least far more than i ever have been but i really feel theres a bit of naivety in your line of thinking, im not agreeing with every theory out there but ive been around long enough to at least not trust my government with "nothing" as far as i can throw them, but hey, its not their fault.. their only concern is collecting tax :)

Sorry its Friday night and im indulging like its 86 and really feel we should focus on the real issue at hand... where the hell can we get girls on Altis!? faaaar

[mistyronin 1181]

i really feel theres a bit of naivety in your line of thinking, im not agreeing with every theory out there but ive been around long enough to at least not trust my government with "nothing" as far as i can throw them

In fact I haven't expressed my whole thinking. I ask people to focus on the recent news and to keep argumentations founded to keep the thread civil and if people want to expose any kinds of weird theories, at least they should have some support / source; to prevent an "everything is allowed". :)

where the hell can we get girls on Altis!? faaaar

I still wonder where! Let's see if BI people can answer us ;)

[negah 26]

It seems ISIS have not only captured military hardware, but also 500 billions iraqi Dinar (approx. 318 millions Euro) in the town of Mossul making them the richest terrorist/separatist faction in the world.

SOURCE (in german): http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/krisen/id_69823460/isis-rebellen-ruecken-im-irak-auf-bagdad-vor-usa-raeumen-stuetzpunkt.html

where the hell can we get girls on Altis!? faaaar

[krycek 349]

Four Questions:

Wasn´t the Iraqui army supposed to be better trained by now?

Well Al Jazeera was saying that hundreds of rebels overrun the army and police positions.If that is true and even with their superior firepower and training the army run from a few hundreds rebels it means either there is no iraqi army or either most of them are a bunch of cowards.I don't understand how's this possible,look at the hardware those guys captured.

There is no word on an offensive on Mosul yet from Iraq administration(only the US said all options are open)and that incompetent Maliki fellow is probably waiting for the rebels to get more entrenched and maybe learn how to use their newly captured toys better.

[mistyronin 1181]

Well Al Jazeera was saying that hundreds of rebels overrun the army and police positions.If that is true and even with their superior firepower and training the army run from a few hundreds rebels it means either there is no iraqi army or either most of them are a bunch of cowards.I don't understand how's this possible,look at the hardware those guys captured.

For what lesscubes quoted, it seems to be a lack of culture and motivation. It seems that those soldiers are unable to be flexible enough ( maybe they are afraid to live in a new community that they don't know and don't trust ). I'll ask about that to one of my workmates who is Iraqi.

ETA: A quote from Andrew Tuohy (Retired Corpsman, OIF Vet, and the mind behind Vuurwapen blog.) Cant link to the source, it's on facebook.

"I went to an Iraqi Army basic training graduation once. There was a near-riot - I am not exaggerating - when it was announced that the newly minted soldiers would be stationed fifty or eighty miles from their homes.

After the soldiers were calmed down by an Iraqi general, I spoke to a few of them about why they were upset. They tried to impress upon me how much their lives would suck if they had to be so far away from their families. "

[negah 26]

Well Al Jazeera was saying that hundreds of rebels overrun the army and police positions.If that is true and even with their superior firepower and training the army run from a few hundreds rebels it means either there is no iraqi army or either most of them are a bunch of cowards.I don't understand how's this possible,look at the hardware those guys captured.

Or they dont have any motivation to fight for their government. They might be even switching sides with their whole equipment.

EDIT: well basically what Misty said. I was a bit slow with typing.

[katipo66 94]

In fact I haven't expressed my whole thinking. I ask people to focus on the recent news and to keep argumentations founded to keep the thread civil and if people want to expose any kinds of weird theories, at least they should have some support / source; to prevent an "everything is allowed". :)

Fair enough, you can enter or exit through a door from both sides :)

Regardless, its a cluster fuck and Iran has no choice but to mobilize.. the thing is they had warned of this a long time ago did they not?

[Tonci87 163]

There must have been warnings, such an offensive doesn´t come out of nowhere....

I´m shocked to see how the Iraqui army is retreating. In fact this is not a retreat, it is a headless rout.

I´d also like to point everyone to the fact that many many civilians are fleeing south as fast as they can. Not all Muslims like extremists...

[lesscubes 1]

The dismissal of the former Iraki Army in 2003 was a major mistake, among others. This country hasn't any structure left it can rely on.

One of many mistakes. Any army needs a good officer corps before it can function. To be fair, I'd say the dismissal of the Iraqi army was a Catch-22. How would the Shia and Kurds react to having the same force in charge of their security?

This whole thing is a tragedy.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/saudi-behind-isis-onslaught-iraq-syrian-state-media?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+(Al+Akhbar+English)

http://www.dailymirror.lk/opinion/172-opinion/41456-the-isis-war-hidden-hands-hidden-agendas.html

Something intresting to read, believe it or not but the west and their "friends" in the middle-east real deal and program,aka proxy-war.

[mistyronin 1181]

Something intresting to read, believe it or not but the west and their "friends" in the middle-east real deal and program,aka proxy-war.

We talked before about that. Even WikiLeaks captured memos of the US dept. of State saying that the main "sponsors" of ISIS and Al-Qaeda seem to be from Saudi Arabia. So it seems quite clear that the money comes from there, the question is from who specifically.

( NY Times ) Cash Flow to Terrorists Evades U.S. Efforts

A classified memo sent by Mrs. Clinton last December made it clear that residents of Saudi Arabia and its neighbors, all allies of the United States, are the chief financial supporters of many extremist activities.

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On the other hand, a really weird situation USA and Iran cooperating to protect Iraq:

( The Guardian ) Iraq crisis: Iran and US join fight against Sunni jihadis of Isis

Senior US officials told the Guardian that an air campaign was under serious discussion, possibly targeting fighters not just in Iraq but in Syria, where they have seized swaths of territory in the past two years. President Barack Obama said that decisions would be taken in the "days ahead".

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

Yep now they have their excuse to attack syria, nice tactic,and mayby they(ISIS) cross the border with iran to play there a bit,who knows where it will end up.

sorry no link;) only a observation.

[negah 26]

Yep now they have their excuse to attack syria, nice tactic,and mayby they(ISIS) cross the border with iran to play there a bit,who knows where it will end up.

sorry no link;) only a observation.

Well they might strike Assads residences now and call it collateral damage :D

[mistyronin 1181]

[Tonci87 163]

To be honest it doesn´t look very good for the Iraqui forces if they don´t get foreign support soon.

[Xalteva 10]

To be honest it doesn´t look very good for the Iraqui forces if they don´t get foreign support soon.

Maybe,that's the goal after all ! but for what reason ?

And who cares for a corrupted governement anyway :D

Edited June 15, 2014 by Xalteva

[negah 26]

Maybe,that's the goal after all ! but for what reason ?

Maybe to remove Iraq from cotrol by Iran?

Or maybe because no one cares anymore. USA have more urgent concerns for now, their economy was ruined by two simultaneous wars (while their industry bosses celebrated their biggest party and filled their pockets) and politically they are no longer that strong as they were ten years ago.

No source, just guesses :P

[mistyronin 1181]

Seeing how people enjoy conspiracy theories, and are unable to link any source related to them, I'll add one article from Voltaire Network, the "free-speech" alternative press circle created by the French Thierry Meyssan.

( Voltaire Network ) IEIL: Iraq turns to U.S. for help

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has called on the United States to bomb the jihadists of the Islamic Emirate in Iraq and the Levant following their spectacular gains in the north of the country.

Saudi Prince Abdul Rahman - the real power behind the IEIL - decided to mobilize the jihadists against Baghdad to strengthen Saudi Arabia’s position vis-à-vis Iran during the forthcoming negotiations between the two countries. The operation, which began several months ago, has suddenly experienced a breakthrough thanks to the Ukrainian weapons delivered to the jihadists with the help of Turkey. However, the IEIL offensive was also sustained by the immediate desertion of at least 150,000 Iraqi soldiers, allowing the whole region of Nineveh to fall into IEIL hands.

At this point, it is clear that the IEIL offensive was orchestrated by Washington against Iranian interests in Iraq. It seems however that the jihadists have exceeded their mission and are now out of control.

I guess that most of you already know about Thierry Meyssan, he's the one that published couple books about how the 9/11 was an inside job ( 9/11: The Big Lie ), the Pentagon attack was a missile... ( Le Pentagate ) That seem to be followed by some people in this forums.

According to him even Nazism was created by Jewish Zionists with the goal to create the State of Israel. So again, according to him the Nazis invaded Europe, create the biggest of the wars, provoked the dead of millions of people ( some of them Jewish ). Just to create the country of Israel.