Ukraine General

[jakerod 254]

The Only American Fighting for Ukraine Dies in Battle

The man that Vice News interviewed a while back was killed the other day. He was a former West Point graduate and US Army Ranger. There is a link to the interview within the article.

[mistyronin 1181]

The Only American Fighting for Ukraine Dies in Battle

The man that Vice News interviewed a while back was killed the other day. He was a former West Point graduate and US Army Ranger. There is a link to the interview within the article.

Well he knew what were the stakes ( specially if he was a ranger ). I respect his decision and his way to die but I don't get why he ended in that mess.

[aleksadragutin 9]

He was to old to be fighting, and I don't know if he was aware of that.

[vilas 477]

Why doesn´t Russia take their Soviet time monuments from other countries and stick up their ugly Russian as***les? If i was Bulgarian, Latvian or Polish etc... why the fuck should i have to look at Russian pride symbolism? And they say the west is imperialist??

exactly , and when we do it, Russian embassy protests , they are imperialistic, they want to remain their monuments on our territory, even if their statues present those who killed anti-communist opposition in our countries,

if they want their monuments, they can take them back and transport it to their country ,

some soviet generals, which have monuments, were not only fighting with Germans, but also fighting with anti-comunist opposition,

goal of those generals which have monuments was not to destroy tyrany of Hitler and replace it to democracy, but to replace this tyrany with Stalin one, they not fought for freedom, they fought "to change regime" opposite to USA in D-Day which sacrificed blood for freedom on Omaha Beach

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[aleksadragutin 9]

opposite to USA in D-Day which sacrificed blood for freedom on Omaha Beach

Yeah, that's why they did it. :D

[vilas 477]

i do not know what version of history they teach in Serbia, but compare how eastern and western Europe looked in years 1945-1956,

where there was multiple parties system, where was tortures and murdering of opposition,

where there was free market , where was confiscated property

is in part taken by USA there were mass murderes like in soviet-allied part 1944-1956 ?

how much people died in France and Benelux comparing to happening of Budapest in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 , Poland in Radom 1956, 1970, 1981 etc.

how many free elctions were before 1989 in one and other side of Europe ?

did people had freedom to travel before 1989 in whole europe ? did they needed permissions to travel ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Security_(Poland)

The Stalinist reign of terror[edit]

Further information: Anti-communist resistance in Poland (1944–1946) and Cursed soldiers

Infiltrated by NKGB and NKVD agents – the Ministry of Public Security was well known for its criminal nature. From January 1945 (or, July 22), the surviving members of the Home Army laid down their arms, granted an official amnesty (lasting till October 15). Most were arrested by MBP on the spot, tortured and tried for treason.[9] The MBP carried out brutal pacification of civilians, mass arrests (see: Augustów roundup), as well as makeshift executions (see: Mokotów Prison murder, Public execution in Dębica) and secret assassinations.[10] According to depositions by Józef Światło and other communist sources, in 1945 alone the number of members of the Polish Underground State deported to Siberia and various labor camps in the Soviet Union reached 50,000.[11]

Overall, in the years 1944–1956 around 300,000 Polish citizens had been arrested, of whom many thousands were sentenced to long-term imprisonment. There were 6,000 death sentences pronounced, the majority of them carried out "in the majesty of the law". A special disciplinary legislation had been introduced, which allowed for the sentencing of civil persons before military tribunals including young people and children.[12] The courts were concerned with the alleged crimes, not the age and the maturity of its victims. For many years, the public prosecutors and judges as well as functionaries of the Ministry of Public Security, Służba Bezpieczeństwa and Główny Zarząd Informacji Wojska Polskiego engaged in acts recognized by international law as crimes against humanity and crimes against peace. The so-called "Cursed soldiers" of the anti-communist resistance, who opposed the new occupiers and attacked the Stalinist strongholds, were eventually hunted down by MBP security services and assassination squads.[9] The underground structures had been destroyed, and most members of the Armia Krajowa and WiN who remained opposed to communism,[10][13] were executed after kangaroo trials (staged by Wolińska-Brus and Zarakowski among others), or deported to the Soviet GULAG system.[14]

total number of victims (death) estimated in Poland (post-WW2 state, not WW2, not USSR) is 50 thousands of killed in our territory by our administration from 1945-1956,

such many people were killed in post WW2 Poland (AFTER WAR) by commies, those were people who in WW2 fought AGAINST HITLER but they were for free market, democracy, multi-party system,

they were killing guerillas and resistance who fought against Hitler , but who wanted free market and multi-parties system with free elections

before 1989 there was in communist countries 1 party system, there was 1 ruling party, there was no free elections, there was no oppositions, there was something similar to feudalism or kingdom,

mostly only kids of commies could travel abroad, rest of people were refused to get passport, people were not be allowed to buy dollar and price of dollar was controlled, so you could not buy airplane ticket to travel to London, it was refused and controlled by Ministry of Internal Affairs (police)

by the way - some commie kids escaped to west in 1982-1988 and played there "victims" , while they were kids of commies, who seen "falling empire of daddy and uncle" and west because of naivity helped them , gave them support, flats etc. and those commie kids were called here "banana youth" (banana - because those fruits you could buy ONLY in special shops, there were 2 kinds of shops , for USUAL people and for COMMIES and Army, Police, commies had imported products, like Oranges, Banana , jeans etc)

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[aleksadragutin 9]

You seriously think that western side had no tortures, no political prosecutions? And the last thing on their mind was freedom. They waited because they didn't think Soviets would bounce back into a superpower, so they were waiting for them to get worn down. When it turned out that USSR can defeat the Germans the US rushed before it was to late. Not saying that communism is the best solution, but it sure isn't the worst.

You can't say the west is roses and east is crap, because everywhere's crap. We live in a shity world were one side only follows the law when it makes it, and when that backfires they refuse to follow it all the same.

And you can't measure the "goodness" of a side by how good their people live. It's what they did to ensure that they live nice. So if you happen to be at the wrong end of US (example) interests then sucks to be you.

Edited August 21, 2014 by aleksadragutin

[vilas 477]

And you can't measure the "goodness" of a side by how good their people live.

i tried to comment it but i will not use words i wanted to use

of course i look where people live better, have more freedom, have more options to choose

this differs way of thinking of Poles, Czechs etc. and westernians , from thinking of many Russians, Serbs or Muslims

OF COURSE I CAN AND I DO IT , i judge goodness of side from circumstances under which their citizens live

good side is that side which gives me more of what i need,

i need safety , job, hobby, products that make me happy, choose what i want to eat, wear, travel etc.

if USSR took rest of Europe, we till today would live in 1 party system, where people afraid to criticize boss, where products are restricted to "party members" and "others" , where nepotism level is 10 times bigger, where corruption is 10 times bigger, where you cannot live your city, region cause you need permission, etc.

i criticize Islam for the same what commies do:

A: you cannot listen to metal cause it is haram

B: secret police were hunting metal heads and punk rockers cause it was "american", people from the west might be surprised, but of course even music industry was controlled in comunism, there was no music which we know, there was control of printing casettes and tapes and discs, only state-owned production, so state decide which disc is printed and which disc is not printed with music,

the same with newspapers, you couldn't buy any newspaper of movie you are interested, only underground and as illegal trade,

A: you cannot eat food that is haram

B: you cannot buy some food cause it is only in shops for military officers,

A: you cannot wear short skirt

B: police hunts cause you have long hair, they say they will take you to army and shave you bald, where can i buy army-trousers when it is controlled and issued only for soldiers? but i like BDU and i want that trousers,

etc. etc. etc.

there were many similarities between Sharia control and communism in some areas, especially in media-entertainment or products available on market

because i am free i can go and buy any kind of music, any kind of movie i want, i can choose from 1000 restaurants in my city food from 50 countries of the world, i can choose any clothes i want in shop , it is impossible in Sharia and in communism

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

Info Resist (RU) - Truck with ukrainian number plates transporting weapons flipped in Russia.

The Insider (RU) - Ukraine still didn't receive documents about the content of the trucks

And these just arrived in Rostov:

Edited August 21, 2014 by beastcat

[vilas 477]

Info Resist (RU) - Truck with ukrainian number plates transporting weapons flipped in Russia.

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uuuu if it is true - we have proof for false flag operations

[aleksadragutin 9]

i tried to comment it but i will not use words i wanted to use

of course i look where people live better, have more freedom, have more options to choose

this differs way of thinking of Poles, Czechs etc. and westernians , from thinking of many Russians, Serbs or Muslims

OF COURSE I CAN AND I DO IT , i judge goodness of side from circumstances under which their citizens live

good side is that side which gives me more of what i need,

i need safety , job, hobby, products that make me happy, choose what i want to eat, wear, travel etc.

if USSR took rest of Europe, we till today would live in 1 party system, where people afraid to criticize boss, where products are restricted to "party members" and "others" , where nepotism level is 10 times bigger, where corruption is 10 times bigger, where you cannot live your city, region cause you need permission, etc.

i criticize Islam for the same what commies do:

A: you cannot listen to metal cause it is haram

B: secret police were hunting metal heads and punk rockers cause it was "american", people from the west might be surprised, but of course even music industry was controlled in comunism, there was no music which we know, there was control of printing casettes and tapes and discs, only state-owned production, so state decide which disc is printed and which disc is not printed with music,

the same with newspapers, you couldn't buy any newspaper of movie you are interested, only underground and as illegal trade,

A: you cannot eat food that is haram

B: you cannot buy some food cause it is only in shops for military officers,

A: you cannot wear short skirt

B: police hunts cause you have long hair, they say they will take you to army and shave you bald, where can i buy army-trousers when it is controlled and issued only for soldiers? but i like BDU and i want that trousers,

etc. etc. etc.

there were many similarities between Sharia control and communism in some areas, especially in media-entertainment or products available on market

because i am free i can go and buy any kind of music, any kind of movie i want, i can choose from 1000 restaurants in my city food from 50 countries of the world, i can choose any clothes i want in shop , it is impossible in Sharia and in communism

You can't compare Russia and Serbia with extreme islam. Orthodox christianity is a very tolerant religion. And the eastern world provides what you "need". Even in USSR you had freedom to eat, listen to what ever you want (except at the height of the cold war, which was the same as in US) . In America as well as in USSR you had hunting of communists/capitalists, so you can't say that the west is pure because that is the greatest delusion I ever heard.

[tnsnames 10]

Info Resist (RU) -Truck with ukrainian number plates transporting weapons flipped in Russia.

This is fake. Pics are from 2013. Its truck flip on Darnick bridge in Kiev in 2013. Just google in Russian.

"Ðа Дарницком моÑту в Киеве перевернулÑÑ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ðº"

90% of all news that Ukrainian news agencies post now are quite lame fakes, so verify them before posting something. They are in war propaganda mode plus fully controlled by limited number of oligarchs.

[aleksadragutin 9]

uuuu if it is true - we have proof for false flag operations

Not true. Russia will probably say that it's a Ukranian truck they had no idea about. It doesn't prove anything except that there was someone transporting weapons in an Ukranian truck.

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This is fake. Pics are from 2013. Its truck flip on Darnick bridge in Kiev in 2013. Just google in Russian.

"Ðа Дарницком моÑту в Киеве перевернулÑÑ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ðº"

90% of all news that Ukrainian news agencies post now are quite lame fakes, so verify them before posting something. They are in war propaganda mode plus fully controlled by limited number of oligarchs.

Or that.

[vilas 477]

delusion, omg, how old are you during comunism ? i was 12 back then

you probably were not even born

if you not heard about special shops with western products , if you never heard about bureau of cenzorship, if you not have idea about "morality police department", you know nothing about pre 1989

of course there were special shops, in Poland they were called Pewex, in Pewex you could buy for USD, but ... having USD was forbidden it was hunted by "economical police", who could have USD ? tourists or ... commies,

there were special shops in Military Units, called WPH, officer in staff unit (big cities, local army HQ, police HQ) could buy there things, others cannot buy in regular shops, cause for WPH there were special transports,

the same with music

who was printing casettes ? state-owned companies, could you have MTV ? of course not, you had on UKF only allowed stations, people were redoing radios so they can hear abroad stations,

was police hunting punk-rockers, of course yes,

and you say about Russia and orthodox church, omg, what Russian orthodox church has to comunism from 1945-1990, Russia is from 1991, not 1944-1989 that i talk about those goddamn monuments which they protest against removing, which is symbol of imperialism when someone demands from us to keep his pre-1989 monument opposite to D-Day which was for freedom

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[tnsnames 10]

Nobody can deny the Russian contribution and sacrifice, but this monument issue is ridiculous. Should all the liberated countries by the Soviet Union also erect monuments to celebrate the liberators that raped their women?

Still there is monuments for USA liberatorts in France despite thousands of raped french womans.

Main reason why East Europeans are so against soviet monuments is cause most of them were Nazi Germany allies, not victims.

[vilas 477]

Still there is monuments for USA liberatorts in France despite thousands of raped french womans.

Main reason why East Europeans are so against soviet monuments is cause most of them were Nazi Germany allies, not victims.

where from you got those revelations ? we are against tyrany and dicatorship, ANY kind of tyrany, ANY removals of freedom,

Stalin was counterpart of Hitler and similar in many things

he we go again with Russian propaganda "who is not with Russia is fascist"

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

Vilas the communism you had in Poland is not the same we had in Yugoslawia. Yes it was restrictive but it was also much much more open to western stuff than the Soviet communism. Listening to metal or rock wasn´t a problem in YU.

[vilas 477]

Vilas the communism you had in Poland is not the same we had in Yugoslawia. Yes it was restrictive but it was also much much more open to western stuff than the Soviet communism. Listening to metal or rock wasn´t a problem in YU.

maybe there is difference , cause in Poland and probably in USSR it was like i prescribed, i do not know for DDR or CS or Hungary,

our communism in some areas was Sharia-like "there is no such product available in our shops"

[tnsnames 10]

where from you got those revelations ? we are against tyrany and dicatorship, ANY kind of tyrany, ANY removals of freedom,

Stalin was counterpart of Hitler and similar in many things

Stalin was typical head of empire, not better that British Empire(with quite bloody colonial politic) of that time for example, not worse. Not less not more. He did not conduct genocides unlike Hitler. This is why there is huge gap between Hitler and other leaders of that time.

But you are from Poland, so do not think that its would be productive to even try to explain you something. Especially considering that its would be offtopic i suppose.

[vilas 477]

he we go again with people who do not know history from Russia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_in_the_Soviet_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%9346)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles_(1944%E2%80%931946)

http://www.doomedsoldiers.com/crimes-in-the-majesty-of-law.html

Churchil did the same to Brits or Frenchmen ?

removing commie monuments is nothing bad

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[tnsnames 10]

Churchil did the same to Brits or Frenchmen ?

Brits and frenchmen are special kind of humans?

If you consider death of 3 millions Bengals as crime. Yep he did. British Empire was extremely bloody too.

And so you support demolishing of Katyn monuments in Smolensk too i suppose?

Edited August 21, 2014 by tnsnames

[aleksadragutin 9]

delusion, omg, how old are you during comunism ? i was 12 back then

you probably were not even born

if you not heard about special shops with western products , if you never heard about bureau of cenzorship, if you not have idea about "morality police department", you know nothing about pre 1989

of course there were special shops, in Poland they were called Pewex, in Pewex you could buy for USD, but ... having USD was forbidden it was hunted by "economical police", who could have USD ? tourists or ... commies,

there were special shops in Military Units, called WPH, officer in staff unit (big cities, local army HQ, police HQ) could buy there things, others cannot buy in regular shops, cause for WPH there were special transports,

the same with music

who was printing casettes ? state-owned companies, could you have MTV ? of course not, you had on UKF only allowed stations, people were redoing radios so they can hear abroad stations,

was police hunting punk-rockers, of course yes,

and you say about Russia and orthodox church, omg, what Russian orthodox church has to comunism from 1945-1990, Russia is from 1991, not 1944-1989 that i talk about those goddamn monuments which they protest against removing, which is symbol of imperialism when someone demands from us to keep his pre-1989 monument opposite to D-Day which was for freedom

Lived in a different communism. Yugoslavia was never fully eastern or western. People found a middle ground and lived nicely. The "delusion" comes in when that all went to hell and when the wars started, and on top of that NATO aggression. So if anyone knows the truth about west spreading freedom it's us.

About the church, I was only denying that it was like extremist Islam. What the communists did has nothing to do with what you see today in Russia.

Edited August 21, 2014 by aleksadragutin

[beastcat 14]

This is fake. Pics are from 2013. Its truck flip on Darnick bridge in Kiev in 2013. Just google in Russian.

"Ðа Дарницком моÑту в Киеве перевернулÑÑ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ðº"

90% of all news that Ukrainian news agencies post now are quite lame fakes, so verify them before posting something. They are in war propaganda mode plus fully controlled by limited number of oligarchs.

I promote you to fake policajac, but you can be a militseiski or a musor if you want. Your job is now to detect fake news.

Powerline in moscow

Lenin in Nikolayev

[vilas 477]

colonialism was as bad , as Hitler rules, as Stalin rules , none of those systems should be practiced and monuments of criminals like Hitler or Stalin should not leave, people have right to move away Lenin monuments

there is very big difference between monument of victims in Katyn and monument of murderer , if you do not see this difference - you have mental problem

Soviet leaders were not doing things to destroy Hitler and replace by democracy, but to replace one regime with other regime, so people have right to remove monuments of dictators and oppressors, but people should remember about victims of oppressors to teach future generations not to allow to repeat tyranny or war crimes of non-democratic systems, noone should moan that in post-commie countries people remove commie monuments,

Soviet commanders fought other anti-Hitler resistance as Hitler troops, for Soviet leaders there was no difference , Hitler , or anti-Hitler, they seen both sides as enemy, democratic resistance was for them target as SS,

because democratic underground was against non-democratic system after war, if USSR Army was in France, they would murder French resistance as well, cause their goal was not to eliminate Nazi state, but to set there their puppets,

opposite to D-Day guys, they not moved back to their borders to let local people decide, they moved back only from Austrian territory,

D-day guys went back to their homes, makes difference , Germany occupation ended decades before other nations could decide about themselves and choose their path ,

Stalin crimes costed life of even more people than Hitler crimes (because Hitler had three times less rule ) and NKVD was committing crimes as SS,

i do not understand moan against removing Lenin monuments,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

this all was because of commie leaders, people do not remove monuments of usual soldier who fought against Hitler, people remove monuments of commie leaders , but seems you not understand if you compare monument of victims with monument of criminal,

people hate commie monuments cause communism (opposite to Scandinavian socialism) was evil system in which people suffered as under colonialism , even many Russians consider Stalin as criminal and early Soviet decades as tyranny and criminal system,

but still there are those who defend Lenin or Stalin statues , i wonder why , they would love to be in NKVD or what ?

Edited August 21, 2014 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

...

Yet another russian propagandist who created account on Bohemia Interactive forums only to post in Ukraine General thread.

If it's not a multi-account, then from where these people are coming...