Ukraine General

[vilas 477]

This story about the convoy coming back with stolen things doesn't seem very believable IMHO.

so far it is gossip, but we do not know what rebels DO there and why those trucks were previously reported to be half-empty and now arriving to Russia NOT controlled

yes, news is from Ukrainian side, but we cannot exclude this gossip ,

[beastcat 14]

Heres an article on ObKom about the trucks taking stuff from the Topaz factory and also equipment from an ammunition plant.

[mistyronin 1181]

This story about the convoy coming back with stolen things doesn't seem very believable IMHO.

To me it's more believable that the convoy coming back carries injured soldiers ( probably Russian citizens ). You know if Luhansk fall and they found a lot of Russian combatants...

[oxmox 73]

In the last time there were reports that Luhansk is under Siege and blocked by the Ukranian Army, did they allow to pass the russian 280 trucks ?

[vilas 477]

now journalist say trucks are empty and it was fake news by Ukraine and Ukrainian custom officers checked returning trucks and they are empty

[oxmox 73]

now journalist say trucks are empty and it was fake news by Ukraine and Ukrainian custom officers checked returning trucks and they are empty

Well, how reputable is Obkom and wiadomosci.wp.pl.

Are these newspapers or well known magazines ?

An Associated Press reporter counted 225 of the white tarp-covered trucks as they drove from Ukraine into a Russian border town called Donetsk, which bears the same name as the largest rebel-held city in Ukraine. A second AP reporter on the Ukrainian side of the border was able to look inside about 40 of the tractor-trailers side and confirmed they were empty

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-aid-convoy-leaves-ukraine-1.2744837

Edited August 23, 2014 by oxmox

[vilas 477]

wp/onet are mainstream media (not right wing, rather pro-EU, leftiests , "politically correct" media, they are far from being "right-wing" or pro-patriotic , it is usual corporations mainstream) belonging to some international corporations (like 90% of media or banks in PL)

international corporations , it belonged last time to Orange (French telecom, this mobile phones popular in EU) now it belongs to some energy company which also has electric plants and have a lot of investment shares of different enegry companies and food production companies , so called "capital group"

independent right-wing media do not hire 400 person like mainstream media, independent right wing media have few volunteer journalists, do not have money to send journalist abroad (hotel, bullet proof vest, helmet - this all costs)

other media belong to ITI Services Ltd. from Switzerland

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

This screenshot from an ANNA (Abkhazian Network News Agency) video supposedly shows that the trucks are transporting something back.

Edit:

Another one:

[mistyronin 1181]

Beastcat how do we know at what moment were these photos taken?

[beastcat 14]

Beastcat how do we know at what moment were these photos taken?

We have to find the original video and look at the time stamp.

Also heres the Lenin in Severodonetsk:

Heres the original video, found it:

http://youtu.be/aojzaZYQIss

[Tonci87 163]

Taking the machinery back to motherland. Hehe, history likes to repeat itself. In my region known for production of cement, all cement plants were plundered ekhm...ekhemmm... "liberated" from machinery, soviets they also liberated railroad tracks leading to plants. People had to start from scratch because the only things the soviets left for them - were revolutionary slogans written on the wall.

Nevertheless they were taking everything. Farming equipment, tools, livestock, grain supplies, household items, bicycles, watches (the more the better) electrical wiring, chemicals....

It was the same in the east Germany. They "liberated" everything that wasn´t too heavy for trains to carry. Basically everything that was left of German industry and railway found a new home in Russia.

[oxmox 73]

wp/onet are mainstream media (not right wing, rather pro-EU, leftiests , "politically correct" media, they are far from being "right-wing" or pro-patriotic , it is usual corporations mainstream) belonging to some international corporations (like 90% of media or banks in PL)

international corporations , it belonged last time to Orange (French telecom, this mobile phones popular in EU) now it belongs to some energy company which also has electric plants and have a lot of investment shares of different enegry companies and food production companies , so called "capital group"

independent right-wing media do not hire 400 person like mainstream media, independent right wing media have few volunteer journalists, do not have money to send journalist abroad (hotel, bullet proof vest, helmet - this all costs)

other media belong to ITI Services Ltd. from Switzerland

I just did read that the majority of Onet belongs to the german Axel-Springer media company.....

[beastcat 14]

Heres a video about Russians "liberating" ("protecting" in the video) in Georgia. Slightly off topic, but its kinda funny.

[oxmox 73]

In the video you see that almost every Truck has some kind of deformation in the plastic sheet cover, thats probably the inside cage of the trucks. The whole convoy story in general is way too much instrumentalized, and actually russia did win this chess move for their publicity.

[maturin 12]

There is a new Combat Mission in the making about NATO+Ukraine vs Russia conflict in the Ukraine. It was planned and started far before the actual conflict started (kind of similar as with Combat Mission Shock Force focusing on Syria).

http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=113978

And the Russian-made DCS series features campaigns in Crimea and Georgia.

So what?

[beastcat 14]

BMDs with painted symbolics on its side in Taganrog


UkrInform - Lisenko confirmed that the russians have stolen radars from the Topaz factory.

Another video from Taganrog, this time its trucks wihout license plates:

Oh and this is a thing.

Edited August 23, 2014 by beastcat
Cut pic because its too large, click on the "this" link

[vilas 477]

I just did read that the majority of Onet belongs to the german Axel-Springer media company.....

yes, and thats why Onet/ TVN television is hated by right wing, but loved by mainstream, leftiests and pro-EU pro-politically correct guys

in Onet they say we are rich, there is no unemployment, there is no emigration, EU is super, we need to pay bigger taxes cause we pay too low and etc.

but WP is not "that hardcore" , i do not read Onet at all, Onet and TVN support our ruling party (coruption, nepotism, selling all for penny to western banksters, taxing more and more, unemployment, homeless etc., they support imigration and bringing cheap labour to Poland , they support multiculti, lgtb and they spit on patriotism or Church )

onet is not reliable, onet will tell you that Poles are lazy, not working hard and they earn too much, and that there is no corruption and only "mad Christians" are against, they love using word "racism, xenophobia" and etc. about big part of society

onet is reliable only for public relations managers of 1 party

Edited August 23, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

yes, and thats why Onet/ TVN television is hated by right wing, but loved by mainstream, leftiests and pro-EU pro-politically correct guys

in Onet they say we are rich, there is no unemployment, there is no emigration, EU is super, we need to pay bigger taxes cause we pay too low and etc.

but WP is not "that hardcore" , i do not read Onet at all, Onet and TVN support our ruling party (coruption, nepotism, selling all for penny to western banksters, taxing more and more, unemployment, homeless etc., they support imigration and bringing cheap labour to Poland , they support multiculti, lgtb and they spit on patriotism or Church )

onet is not reliable, onet will tell you that Poles are lazy, not working hard and they earn too much, and that there is no corruption and only "mad Christians" are against

About the "we are rich" thing, in Germany jobless people get as much money as the average russian and don't even have to pay taxes.

[vilas 477]

About the "we are rich" thing, in Germany jobless people get as much money as the average russian and don't even have to pay taxes.

and such system is easy to cheat, a lot of really lazy people over use such system, i always suported socialim when it helps those who cant (disabled , some regions where industry fallen) not those who do not want and are lazy or prefer drinking

when u set big social , you have tone of imigrants who do not want to work, do not try to find job, cause taxpayer pay them money they need to survive, for this tax rest must work harder,

[beastcat 14]

and such system is easy to cheat, a lot of really lazy people over use such system, i always suported socialim when it helps those who cant (disabled , some regions where industry fallen) not those who do not want and are lazy or prefer drinking

when u set big social , you have tone of imigrants who do not want to work, do not try to find job, cause taxpayer pay them money they need to survive, for this tax rest must work harder,

Yes, it is definitely cheatable, but it works and compared to the average income its tiny anyway. Its basically don't have a job and live in a one room apartment or live good, have a decent a apartment or house, own a car, eat good food and so on. The apartment comparison is of course a little bit crappy if you want to compare to other countries, especially russia, because apartments in most of russia are dirt cheap for european standarts and many people actually own the apartments, but you get the idea. People always argue that the system is being exploited to infinity, when in reality the percentage of jobless people is the same as in Russia, lower than in Poland and tiny in comparison to Spain or Greece for example.

[vilas 477]

but for us , their social is big, for some guys from lower regions - it is very huge, so if you get used to live for 400 euro, than for 1000 euro you feel like king and have no motivation to find job,

[oxmox 73]

Well, we live in a time of mental enfiblement of the masses where only a handful of media corporations decide what type of infos the masses has to consume.

Worse than the NSA are disinformation units, something like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/19/international/19PENT.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1843201.stm

Edited August 23, 2014 by oxmox

[vilas 477]

for sure Putin media are not better and they lie more, system which is present in Ukraine or Russia is oligarchy system, kinda feudalistic

[beastcat 14]

but for us , their social is big, for some guys from lower regions - it is very huge, so if you get used to live for 400 euro, than for 1000 euro you feel like king and have no motivation to find job,

And still the percentage of jobless people is only half of the one before Poland joined the EU (Although I'm not sure when Poland introduced its current welfare system).

[vilas 477]

cause 2.2 milion emigrated ;) it is 6% of whole society number

rest (dozen percent) is due to "made in China" issue