Ukraine General

[vilas 473]

Russia hire trolls, it was told by some intels,

but not only Russia, a lot private companies, a lot of parties (in Poland 3 years ago or 4 years ago, someone from one party shown secret email about "taking internet" and in fact it was about to troll about this party)

also Polish intel or IT guys from newspapers (if i am correct) told some time ago, that 90% of comments about "banderas" in case of Yanuk /Crimean issues come from Russian IPs,

also i see a lot of comments by trolls which have structure typical to Russian gramma and they are wrong from Polish gramma point of view, but i see 100 posts about "how evil is Ukraine" with gramma showing someone who write it knows RUssian better than Polish, for native it is easy to recognize mistakes, especially when you know Russian language too, than you see mistakes that can be done only by Russians

Edited August 17, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

Russia hire trolls, it was told by some intels,

but not only Russia, a lot private companies, a lot of parties (in Poland 3 years ago or 4 years ago, someone from one party shown secret email about "taking internet" and in fact it was about to troll about this party)

also Polish intel (if i am correct) told some time ago, that 90% of comments about "banderas" in case of Yanuk /Crimean issues come from Russian IPs,

also i see a lot of comments by trolls which have structure typical to Russian gramma and they are wrong from Polish gramma point of view, but i see 100 posts about "how evil is Ukraine" with gramma showing someone who write it knows RUssian better than Polish

The first time I read about the troll army was actually on Buzzfeed. I don't know if this has been posted before, but in case you didn't read it, here you go:

Buzzfeed - Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America

The trolling project’s finances are appropriately lavish for its considerable scale. A budget for April 2014, its first month, lists costs for 25 employees and expenses that together total over $75,000. The Internet Research Agency itself, founded last summer, now employs over 600 people and, if spending levels from December 2013 to April continue, is set to budget for over $10 million in 2014, according to the documents. Half of its budget is earmarked to be paid in cash.

Its quite a long read, so grab some popcorn.

[vilas 473]

i know it from Polish forums

90% of comments under Ukrainian issues are "those fascist Bandera lovers want to kill Poles" "fascists cut women by half and they will come to kill your pregnant wife if Putin will not stop them" and such like bs,

i do not want to give them advice, but they use some "gramatical" or "false friend words" mistakes that in first look i see "ooo someone is not native who wrote this"

it is like in english - woman is beauty but man is handsome, native American will not say beauty man, handsome woman, someone who is not native and use google translate will make such mistake, the same mistake i do all the time, i write "i" in small letter and You in big, why ?

cause in slavic languages You means respect and I means "i am self confident ashole with too big ego" ,

althout in English there should be big letter I and small letter you

noone in Slavic will write Ja, ty, but ja, Ty

[sudayev 27]

True. All comments by russians are plagued by "language calques" (Калька). It requires almost a native speaker skill to avoid calquing. Because of that we sometimes are misunderstood by English speaking people. But if you will approach a web agency with the right you will be able to trick them into "useful idiocy".

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BTW. I checked Zhirinovky's bio. His real name is Vladimir Wolfovich Edelstein. I didn't know this man is Jewish :O

Zhirinovsky was born in Almaty, the capital of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic, modern-day Kazakhstan. His father, Volf Isaakovich Eidelshtein (or Wolf Andreyevich Eidelshtein), was a Polish Jew, and his mother, Alexandra Pavlovna (née Makarova), was of Russian background.[7][8][9][10] His paternal grandfather was a wealthy industrialist from Kostopil,[11] who owned the largest timber factory in the region and was head of the Jewish community

[beastcat 14]

BTW. I checked Zhirinovky's bio. His real name is Vladimir Wolfovich Edelstein. I didn't know this man is Jewish :O

Wait, does this mean he has to destroy himself?

A half naked guy started firing an AK-74U in Kharkiv today shouting that Russia is coming and is going to punish everybody. Very weird.

Edited August 17, 2014 by beastcat

[vilas 473]

the most "funny" is that Zhyrinovski is co-chairman of Russian parliament

[mistyronin 1181]

BTW. I checked Zhirinovky's bio. His real name is Vladimir Wolfovich Edelstein. I didn't know this man is Jewish :O

That explains a lot of things.

[beastcat 14]

Can someone check out whats up with this video? I think its in polish, but its not playing for me. Maybe a regional restriction?

Just found it on YouTube

Can someone do a basic translation?

Edited August 17, 2014 by beastcat

[mistyronin 1181]

Can someone check out whats up with this video? I think its in polish, but its not playing for me. Maybe a regional restriction?

I can play it, I think it's Polish, but I don't speak a word of it.

[vilas 473]

video is showing military vehicles transported , journalist claim it is near Ukrainian border zone (probably in Russia, he doesn't say), and some military vehicles "soon dissapear in field" , video shows SA-13 AA launchers on MTLB transported ,also he says that drivers of white trucks go to border, than get off and go back by buses

[beastcat 14]

ITAR TASS - Lavrov: The statement that Kiev destroyed vehicles belonging to the RF does not correspond to reality.

Reports that Ukrainian troops allegedly bombed some Russian military convoy, do not correspond to reality, it was actually the separatists who destroyed a ukrainian military column.

Very strange...

[Tonci87 163]

You wuld think that someone would have produced pictures by now.....

[surpher 1]

(Reuters) Rebel missile fire hits refugee convoy in east Ukraine - military spokesmen

"Terrorists fired Grad missiles at a convoy of refugees from Luhansk near the areas of Khryashchuvatye and Novosvitlivka ... we are waiting to hear how many died," a spokesman for the military operation in the east said.

A spokesman for the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic said she had no information about the case. A rebel news outlet, however, said that separatists and Ukrainian forces had exchanged heavy artillery fire where the buses had been travelling.

[vilas 473]

are there solid proofs showing those destructed vehicles etc.

are there photos etc. showing destroyed vehicles (unless vehicles were not taken)

also there is possibility that few soldiers in 1 squad have big fantasy - it is always possible, that someone has fantasy and want to play hero before his girlfriend, you can google "photoshoped muscles fail"

[beastcat 14]

are there solid proofs showing those destructed vehicles etc.

are there photos etc. showing destroyed vehicles (unless vehicles were not taken)

also there is possibility that few soldiers in 1 squad have big fantasy - it is always possible, that someone has fantasy and want to play hero before his girlfriend, you can google "photoshoped muscles fail"

Well, the thing is, Lavrov confirmed that some convoy has been destroyed. Of course we still don't have any pictures and I thought that it was just an empty claim, but Lavrov made this situation very strange.

[vilas 473]

rebels shot bus with refugees who were escaping from warzone, civilians dead burned alive in bus - media say

[beastcat 14]

rebels shot bus with refugees who were escaping from warzone, civilians dead burned alive in bus - media say

Wouldn't be the first time.

[vilas 473]

on YT there are videos claiming that destroyed convoy was not Russian but Ukrainian - bodies have Ukrainian uniforms remains, vehicles are painted with white stripes too, video say they are from 95th VDV Lviv airborne brigade because of one register plate, most of corpses are burned to the black bone so hard to tell anything about them apart that they are skeletons, and vehicles have burned painting and there is bare metal , destruction show Ural trucks and UAZ jeeps, not armored vehicles ,

[beastcat 14]

on YT there are videos claiming that destroyed convoy was not Russian but Ukrainian - bodies have Ukrainian uniforms remains, vehicles are painted with white stripes too, video say they are from 95th VDV Lviv airborne brigade because of one register plate, most of corpses are burned to the black bone so hard to tell anything about them apart that they are skeletons, and vehicles have burned painting and there is bare metal , destruction show Ural trucks and UAZ jeeps, not armored vehicles ,

The whole situation is just very strange.

Izvaryne border crossing. Military truck without any plates enters Russia from rebel-held Luhansk region

Source

Separatists talking about how they hit a civilian village again, possibly by mistake

The dude says that russian media has already blamed it on Ukraine.

He also advises to drink the problems away and not think about it.

Edited August 18, 2014 by beastcat

[vilas 473]

maybe pro-Russian fighters were wearing Russian uniforms waving Russian flag and Ukrainian troops thought they fight with Russian Army, but strage is comunicate that Ukrainian army destroyed convoy and there is no confirmation, after all "souls and hearths" strategy is important in every army/society/religion/party/marketing

Separatists talking about how they hit a civilian village again, possibly by mistake

every language has some beautifull words which do not have direct translation in other languages,

Russian has "bezobrazye"

in case of this separatists there is better word in English that not exist in our languages - "trigerhappy" - cyco who shoot to anything he see

Edited August 18, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

maybe pro-Russian fighters were wearing Russian uniforms waving Russian flag and Ukrainian troops thought they fight with Russian Army, but strage is comunicate that Ukrainian army destroyed convoy and there is no confirmation, after all "souls and hearths" strategy is important in every army/society/religion/party/marketing

Im just wondering, where exactly did it say that the convoy was under control of the actual russian army? All I can find that they said that they destroyed part of the convoy that crossed the border from Russia the night before. And separatists fighting under the russian flag is nothing new. Its actually much more common to see them with the russian flag over their tanks than with the Novorossiya, DPR or LPR flag.

Some fresh new imported separatists arrived

http://youtu.be/2o9qYGKOwRA

There are so many, Im too lazy to count.

Btw, if you see that almost all trucks are KAMAZ trucks, they came from Russia.

Ukraine mostly uses Ural and KrAZ trucks.

Sorry...

Edited August 18, 2014 by beastcat

[ProfTournesol 956]

Any news about the MH17 ?

[surpher 1]

Some fresh new imported separatists arrived

http://youtu.be/2o9qYGKOwRA

Location of that video

Earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AwvsuXUcc

Possible match?

[aleksadragutin 9]

Im just wondering, where exactly did it say that the convoy was under control of the actual russian army? All I can find that they said that they destroyed part of the convoy that crossed the border from Russia the night before. And separatists fighting under the russian flag is nothing new. Its actually much more common to see them with the russian flag over their tanks than with the Novorossiya, DPR or LPR flag.

Some fresh new imported separatists arrived

http://youtu.be/2o9qYGKOwRA

There are so many, Im too lazy to count.

Btw, if you see that almost all trucks are KAMAZ trucks, they came from Russia.

Ukraine mostly uses Ural and KrAZ trucks.

http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B-%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-1455377.jpeg

Sorry...

How did you see that they are KAMAZ?

[oxmox 73]

It is crazy or rather frightening how detailed you can manipulate videos in the meanwhile, doesnt matter about the content or the source just comparing the alleged original video (scroll down for genuine ruptly footage) with the one which added a new person.

http://rt.com/news/181024-viral-video-rebel-ferguson/

---------- Post added at 07:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:11 PM ----------

Any news about the MH17 ?

I have seen only this video recently but from the russian TV and with german subtitles. Allegedly a russian hacker group called "Cyber Berkuts" has hacked the correspondence of ukranian state officials and they claim such documents show the incident was planned ahead. Experts say after their investigations the plane MH17 was first hit into the engine by an air-air rocket and the 30mm was the death blow fired by one of the two fighter jets which were close to the plane. It is also said that the version of a downed MH17 by a military jet is shared by malaysian experts.

But since so much media war in general is around about this conflict - i rembemer on this: "The first casualty of war is the truth".

I only wonder why there are not any infos spread about the black box results and further investigation from the western media, its totally silence.

Edited August 18, 2014 by oxmox