Nicholas 5 Posted February 28, 2014 He still thinks he's the boss, but at least he doesn't call for a Russian military intervention. I was thinking the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Lol, "the berkut was standing unarmed against the protestors". This guy is crazy. Later : "I never gave orders for the police to shoot, but police have the right to self-defence". We've all seen the videos where they were shooting unarmed people...self defence my *** Edited February 28, 2014 by ProfTournesol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maio 293 Posted February 28, 2014 Let's see how this develops Agreements Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea should be cancelled — Ukrainian parliament http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/721385 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colossus 2 Posted February 28, 2014 Let's see how this develops http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/721385 That won't have repercussions at all! Both the Ukrainian goverment and the Russians should calm down a notch until Ukraine has undergone its elections. This is definitely a fire they don't want to play with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted February 28, 2014 about weapons they carry AK74M with grip, nothing sensational Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 According to the BBC : "Ukraine's border authority say its base in Sevastopol has been surrounded by Russian navy servicemen. " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted February 28, 2014 Is this situation normal? A sovereign country is being raided by an "unknown" military personnel in full battle gear and in consequence loosing the control over key offices in town? Why Ukraine simply won't send a regular army to eliminate this unlabeled threat? In every country this would be a global scandal, an act of terrorism conducted by "unlabeled" military group. In normal country they would have the army, special forces on their asses and being smoked out of their positions. Is anyone filming a sequel to 1985 film "INVASION U.S.A" there? If no one admits to these military men, then who are they? Pirates, terrorists? Even the Kremlin denies them, so there is no law to protect them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 While the Russian action is clearly provocative and the Ukrainian governement would be clever not the fall in the trap, one can wonder if the new governement is really in control of the Ukrainian armed forces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted February 28, 2014 Lawmakers in Russia introduced a bill in parliament on Friday to simplify the absorption of new territories into the country in what will be widely interpreted as a signal that Moscow may be planning to gain control over Ukraine’s mainly ethnic Russian-populated region of Crimea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 Here we are : "Russian planes are landing in Crimea and a column of armoured personnel carriers is approaching Simferopol, Ukrainska Pravda website is reporting (BBC Monitoring)". The Empire strikes back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted February 28, 2014 seems Arma2 in real Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maio 293 Posted February 28, 2014 Some more pics of the "Russian Navy personnel" (I'm using quotes since we have no confirmation) http://i.imgur.com/XAXCePY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/K52NRjn.jpg http://ufu.co.il/files/flxu0v5pkr0hybgssnsk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Wiw4M48.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DPjE0uQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RUE1cPh.jpg << RPG 18? and a video of a checkpoint Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted February 28, 2014 RUSSIA ARMORED VEHICLES MOVING OUTSIDE CRIMEA BASE ( Associated Press ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 Russia confirms moving troops to Ukraine (what a surprise...) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10668357/Russia-admits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Russian Airborne Troops moving in http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f30_1393584675 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865 Mi-8 with Rocket Pods and Mi-24. There are quite a lot of Mi-24 so I guess they carry troops too. Edited February 28, 2014 by Tonci87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrim 1 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) scrim's colorful hysteria about genocide, holodomor and what else. The fact is that ukrainians and russians are brothers and our fate is a common one no matter what our semiliterate friends from West might think. Just have an open mind for a second or two (I know it's hard, but try just this once). If Germany was a country bordering to you, was vastly superior, and apologetic about their Nazi past and their crimes in Russia, and were more prone to celebrating Hitler than despising him, how would you react? Yes, poor shame about me repeating the Holodomor, the Holocaust made by the USSR. I'm ever so ashamed about that. The discreet signs, such as the Ukrainians overthrowing their president and driving him into exile when he started turning Ukraine into a Russian lackey again may be interpreted as the Ukrainian people not agreeing about the whole "let's subject ourselves to Moscow rule again" idea. Am I saying that every single Ukrainian loathes every single Russian? No, I'm saying that for very good reasons, most Ukrainians don't want to go back to being ruled by Russia, and for good reasons. Set aside the past, and the present wouldn't be a good alternative either, seeing as how Russia is anything but a human rights respecting democracy at present. The Russian "covert" invasion just goes one step further to show what human waste Putin is. This is not one step above how the Nazis took over territory before WW2 proper started. Militia my ass, which militia is wearing the latest standard issue Russian uniforms, body armour, helmets, and modernized AK-74Ms? Edited February 28, 2014 by scrim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted February 28, 2014 Russia confirms moving troops to Ukraine (what a surprise...) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10668357/Russia-admits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html BS, unfortunately. According to MID official statement (link to it was given in Telegraph article), troops were moved within Crimean territory. So this is not 'troops moved to Ukraine' but 'troops stationed in Ukraine moved from point A to point B'. BTW I can't recognize any insignias at choppers, were they Russian or Ukrainian ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted February 28, 2014 BS, unfortunately. According to MID official statement (link to it was given in Telegraph article), troops were moved within Crimean territory. So this is not 'troops moved to Ukraine' but 'troops stationed in Ukraine moved from point A to point B'. BTW I can't recognize any insignias at choppers, were they Russian or Ukrainian ones. You think the russians would allow such air movements that close to Sewastopol? If those choppers belong to the Ukraine then they would have been shot down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) BS, unfortunately. According to MID official statement (link to it was given in Telegraph article), troops were moved within Crimean territory. So this is not 'troops moved to Ukraine' but 'troops stationed in Ukraine moved from point A to point B'. BTW I can't recognize any insignias at choppers, were they Russian or Ukrainian ones. I thought there weren't supposed to move outside of their base ? Isn't Crimea in Ukraine ? Are the Crimean airports under Russian control ? Edited February 28, 2014 by ProfTournesol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) You think the russians would allow such air movements that close to Sewastopol? If those choppers belong to the Ukraine then they would have been shot down. They may know that choppers won't attack anybody. Ukrainian General stuff chief had several meetings with both self-defence groups and our fleet personell, so there may be some agreements directly between Ukrainian and our military. You all have seen, there are already some joint patrols of local militia, Berkut and self-defence groups. The same may be between our and Ukrainian military. I thought there weren't supposed to move outside of their base ? Isn't Crimea in Ukraine ? Are the Crimean airports under Russian control ? Our troops may move outside during excercises or some other reasons (after connecting with local military). So formally they can move between different bases and other facilities used by Black sea fleet. Edited February 28, 2014 by Spooky Lynx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 Come on, open your eyes : "Ukraine's foreign ministry has lodged an official protest to Russia about the "violation of Ukrainian airspace and non-compliance" with the bilateral agreement about the status of the Black Sea Fleet on Ukraine's territory." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrim 1 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Yeah, the Berkut has been disbanded. And what we've seen isn't local militia, it's one or two civvies with AKs, and a shit tonne of soldiers wearing the latest Russian uniforms, armour, helmets and AK-74Ms, with traces off ripped of insignia on some, driving around in Russian military vehicles, occupying airports and government facilities. In other words, at the least a very clear provocation, if not an outright attempt at occupying and annexing the Crimea. And as we all know, invading and annexing a sovereign nation is the crime for which several Germans were hung for after the war. Edited February 28, 2014 by scrim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) I kind of doubt that we will see a real war there. Rssia will simply annex the Krim after it´s forces have taken control of all key strategic points and installations. The Ukraine can´t really count on it´s military since it is full of ethnic russians who might choose to rather fight on their side. The local population is mostly in favour of russia. On Top of that the Ukraine doesn´t have a Navy that could hope to stand a chance against the Black Sea fleet. Who controls the Black Sea controls the Krim. Edited February 28, 2014 by Tonci87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted February 28, 2014 I kind of doubt that we will see a real war there. Rssia will simply annex the Krim after it´s forces have taken control of all key strategic points and installations. The Ukraine can´t really count on it´s military since it is full of ethnic russians who might choose to rather fight on their side. The local population is mostly in favour of russia. On Top of that the Ukraine doesn´t have a Navy that could hope to stand a chance against the Black Sea fleet. Who controls the Black Sea controls the Krim. Indeed, nobody will move to prevent Russia from taking control of Crimea, probably not the Crimean people themselves. And i agree that Ukrainian Army seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maio 293 Posted February 28, 2014 Scrim please take it easy and edit your post or remove what you wrote past several Germans were hung for after the war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
