Polymath820 11 Posted January 13, 2014 or FPS no matter what whether it's on Ultra or it's on low drop it down to the smallest rendering size nope still bad FPS bring it up to the highest better FPS than low what? Did all the "Snake Oil" settings -cpuCount=4 -exThreads=7,-maxMem=### maxVRAM=#### etc. GPU Frames ahead set to 1 still no avail. System Specifications are below: CPU: Intel Core i5 2400 Cores 4 Threads 4 Name Intel Core i5 2400 Code Name Sandy Bridge Package Socket 1155 LGA Technology 32nm Specification Intel Core i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz Family 6 Extended Family 6 Model A Extended Model 2A Stepping 7 Revision D2 Instructions MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX Virtualization Supported, Enabled Hyperthreading Supported, Disabled Fan Speed 1583 RPM Bus Speed 99.8 MHz Stock Core Speed 3100 MHz Stock Bus Speed 100 MHz Average Temperature 35 °C Caches L1 Data Cache Size 4 x 32 KBytes L1 Instructions Cache Size 4 x 32 KBytes L2 Unified Cache Size 4 x 256 KBytes L3 Unified Cache Size 6144 KBytes Core 0 Core Speed 1596.3 MHz Multiplier x 16.0 Bus Speed 99.8 MHz Temperature 34 °C Thread 1 APIC ID 0 Core 1 Core Speed 1596.3 MHz Multiplier x 16.0 Bus Speed 99.8 MHz Temperature 37 °C Thread 1 APIC ID 2 Core 2 Core Speed 1596.3 MHz Multiplier x 16.0 Bus Speed 99.8 MHz Temperature 33 °C Thread 1 APIC ID 4 Core 3 Core Speed 1596.3 MHz Multiplier x 16.0 Bus Speed 99.8 MHz Temperature 34 °C Thread 1 APIC ID 6 Motherboard: Manufacturer MSI Model H61M-P35 (MS-7680) (SOCKET 0) Version 5.0 Chipset Vendor Intel Chipset Model Sandy Bridge Chipset Revision 09 Southbridge Vendor Intel Southbridge Model H61 Southbridge Revision B3 System Temperature 28 °C BIOS Brand American Megatrends Inc. Version V28.3 Date 10/01/2013 Voltage +3.3V 3.360 V CPU CORE 1.040 V VIN2 0.064 V VIN3 1.411 V +5V 5.844 V +12V 8.184 V VIN6 2.080 V VSB3V 3.376 V CMOS BATTERY 3.280 V GPU: Name S27B370 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Current Resolution 1920x1080 pixels Work Resolution 1920x1040 pixels State Enabled, Primary, Output devices support Monitor Width 1920 Monitor Height 1080 Monitor BPP 32 bits per pixel Monitor Frequency 60 Hz Device \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Manufacturer NVIDIA Model GeForce GTX 650 Device ID 10DE-0FC6 Revision A2 Subvendor Gigabyte (1458) Current Performance Level Level 1 Current GPU Clock 324 MHz Current Memory Clock 324 MHz Voltage 0.975 V Bus Interface PCI Express x16 Temperature 28 °C Driver version 9.18.13.3221 BIOS Version 80.07.35.00.58 Physical Memory 2047 MB Virtual Memory 2048 MB HDD: WDC WD10EZEX-00KUWA0 ATA Device Manufacturer Western Digital Heads 16 Cylinders 121,601 Tracks 31,008,255 Sectors 1,953,520,065 SATA type SATA-III 6.0Gb/s Device type Fixed ATA Standard ATA8-ACS Serial Number WD-WCC1S4978060 LBA Size 48-bit LBA Power On Count 261 times Power On Time 41.4 days Features S.M.A.R.T., NCQ Transfer Mode SATA III Interface SATA Capacity 931 GB Real size 1,000,204,886,016 bytes RAID Type None S.M.A.R.T Status Good Temperature 26 °C Temperature Range OK (less than 50 °C) 01 Read Error Rate 200 (200) Data 0000000000 03 Spin-Up Time 175 (174) Data 00000008B9 04 Start/Stop Count 100 (100) Data 0000000106 05 Reallocated Sectors Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000 07 Seek Error Rate 200 (200) Data 0000000000 09 Power-On Hours (POH) 099 (099) Data 00000003E1 0A Spin Retry Count 100 (100) Data 0000000000 0B Recalibration Retries 100 (100) Data 0000000000 0C Device Power Cycle Count 100 (100) Data 0000000105 C0 Power-off Retract Count 200 (200) Data 0000000016 C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 200 (200) Data 00000000EF C2 Temperature 119 (107) Data 0000000018 C4 Reallocation Event Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000 C5 Current Pending Sector Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000 C6 Uncorrectable Sector Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000 C7 UltraDMA CRC Error Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000 C8 Write Error Rate / Multi-Zone Error Rate 200 (200) Data 0000000000 Partition 0 Partition ID Disk #0, Partition #0 Size 350 MB Partition 1 Partition ID Disk #0, Partition #1 Disk Letter C: File System NTFS Volume Serial Number 0812C5FC Size 931 GB Used Space 75 GB (9%) Free Space 855 GB (91%) RAM: Memory slots Total memory slots 4 Used memory slots 2 Free memory slots 2 Memory Type DDR3 Size 16384 MBytes Channels # Dual DRAM Frequency 665.2 MHz CAS# Latency (CL) 9 clocks RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 9 clocks RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) 24 clocks Command Rate (CR) 1T Physical Memory Memory Usage 12 % Total Physical 16 GB Available Physical 14 GB Total Virtual 32 GB Available Virtual 30 GB SPD Number Of SPD Modules 2 Slot #1 Type DDR3 Size 8192 MBytes Manufacturer Corsair Max Bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz) Part Number CMV8GX3M1A1333C9 Week/year 08 / 12 JEDEC #3 Frequency 685.7 MHz CAS# Latency 9.0 RAS# To CAS# 9 RAS# Precharge 9 tRAS 25 tRC 33 Voltage 1.500 V JEDEC #2 Frequency 533.3 MHz CAS# Latency 7.0 RAS# To CAS# 7 RAS# Precharge 7 tRAS 20 tRC 26 Voltage 1.500 V JEDEC #1 Frequency 457.1 MHz CAS# Latency 6.0 RAS# To CAS# 6 RAS# Precharge 6 tRAS 17 tRC 22 Voltage 1.500 V Slot #2 Type DDR3 Size 8192 MBytes Manufacturer Corsair Max Bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz) Part Number CMV8GX3M1A1333C9 Week/year 08 / 12 JEDEC #3 Frequency 685.7 MHz CAS# Latency 9.0 RAS# To CAS# 9 RAS# Precharge 9 tRAS 25 tRC 33 Voltage 1.500 V JEDEC #2 Frequency 533.3 MHz CAS# Latency 7.0 RAS# To CAS# 7 RAS# Precharge 7 tRAS 20 tRC 26 Voltage 1.500 V JEDEC #1 Frequency 457.1 MHz CAS# Latency 6.0 RAS# To CAS# 6 RAS# Precharge 6 tRAS 17 tRC 22 Voltage 1.500 V Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratszo 17 Posted January 14, 2014 Are you hitting 3.4ghz. (turbo) under load? "The Core i5-2400 is the spiritual successor to the quite popular Core i5-750. This mainstream quad-core processor features a default clock of 3.1Ghz, but it can Turbo Boost up to 3.4Ghz in lightly-threaded workloads. Much like the i5-2500K it does not support Hyper-Threading. However, unlike the aforementioned K-series chip, it does regrettably feature a locked CPU multiplier. Thankfully, Intel has thrown overclockers a bone, and have unlocked four additional Turbo multipliers above the highest Turbo frequency. As you will see in our overclocking section, this can be used to worthwhile effect in coordination with the base clock (BCLK)." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44339-intel-core-i3-2120-core-i5-2400-lga1155-processors-review.html And, "Turbo multipliers" sound like you can exceed 3.4ghz. stock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b0s 18 Posted January 15, 2014 Could give you a lot of suggestions but probably none of those would help. The gameengine just runs this badly in its current state. You could try some mallocs http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?163640-Arma3-and-the-LARGEADDRESSAWARE-flag-%28memory-allocation-gt-2GB%29 Higher CPU clock would give a slight increase. Shadows to high and view distance to a lower setting. I get ~15fps during combat with a 4Ghz quadcore,AMD 270x, SSD... so sadly the only options seems to be waiting for a miracle from the developers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Degman 73 Posted January 15, 2014 I have FX 8320 8-core CPU, Radeon HD-7870 DC2 V2 GPU and 8GB DDR3 RAM (1600MHz), still I get bad FPS sometimes during combat or in multiplayer. View distance is only 1km, while all the settings are on Ultra, as it should be on such as expensive GPU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polymath820 11 Posted January 15, 2014 Are you hitting 3.4ghz. (turbo) under load?"The Core i5-2400 is the spiritual successor to the quite popular Core i5-750. This mainstream quad-core processor features a default clock of 3.1Ghz, but it can Turbo Boost up to 3.4Ghz in lightly-threaded workloads. Much like the i5-2500K it does not support Hyper-Threading. However, unlike the aforementioned K-series chip, it does regrettably feature a locked CPU multiplier. Thankfully, Intel has thrown overclockers a bone, and have unlocked four additional Turbo multipliers above the highest Turbo frequency. As you will see in our overclocking section, this can be used to worthwhile effect in coordination with the base clock (BCLK)." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44339-intel-core-i3-2120-core-i5-2400-lga1155-processors-review.html And, "Turbo multipliers" sound like you can exceed 3.4ghz. stock. Overclocking is dangerous and not worth the risk I've been told my a computer technician to get an I7-3770k Ivy Bridge. But it's $450... I am not paying that to get a 10 - 20% performance increase, this is what eggs me people say "ohh I got a 30% increase in performance" yeah? You do know in 1994 - 1998 there was a 300% increase in performance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxatrush1987 10 Posted January 15, 2014 online or offline? the weakest point in your system seems to be the gtx650, but at least small resolutions should run fine. online bad fps are mostly due to bad servers/hosting/etc, try to play on arma 3 performance servers as they are the best hosted ones usually. @DegmanCRO: arma 3 scales highly with very high ipc, so intel is a must have or you need to overclock your amd fx processor so far to match that ipc rate of at least an i5 2400(~5ghz). example: playing(lan-directplay) benny warfare on i7 2700k(ht off) @ 4ghz and getting smooth 35-40fps@ ultra and 2.5k viewdistance. no amd would be able to do that. to polymath: it looks like you are running os and arma 3 on same hdd? if so you have the solution, if arma streaming/pagefile/os are simultaniusly reading on one hdd your fps will never get playable. another hdd would nearly double fps if pagefile and arma are separated. ssd for os and pagefile would boost a bit more(yes todays ssd can easely handle pagefile without losing much lifetime), ssd for arma and pagefile would boost a lot. another hint: arma uses the pagefile very hard to gain performance, boosting the pagefile with an amd ramdisk(free download at amd for all pc users intel amd no matter) you will see onaother huge performance boost, maybe the fps don´t get better after a certain point(the gtx650 will limit early) but it will get smoother with every step. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shiftysean 21 Posted January 15, 2014 As you say, I did a round of CTI with a mate of mine yesterday evening. And while he's streaming and has settings on high/very high with smooth fps (i7-3770 and crossfire), I'm stuck in a village with npc's doing 15-20 fps on everything disabled/low with 1km viewdistance with my amd fx8120 8core 3.10ghz, amd radeon hd6870. Now I realise I won't be playing it on the settings that he's getting, but sp I can pull of high settings (in the campaign for instance) and editor missions without problems (do have to keep the viewdistance down to about 2-3km). I should add he's hosting the mp session from his pc (yesterday atleast) usually from his server though. I doubt there's a lot of faulty scripts etc. So is the amd taking such a hit in MP? I know I have to upgrade some stuff at some point, but I didn't think this game would be practicly unplayable with settings that are above the recommended ones even. Will try the amd ramdisk to see if it helps in any way. Edit: noticed aswell that while running, sprinting, driving (moving in general) I got stuttery fps, and it seemed to smoothe out as soon as I stood still to take aim again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polymath820 11 Posted January 16, 2014 Disk I/O is pretty quiet in arma 3 sitting at around 1 - 5% total capacity. So it must not be that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratszo 17 Posted January 16, 2014 Overclocking is dangerous and not worth the risk I've been told my a computer technician to get an I7-3770k Ivy Bridge. But it's $450... I am not paying that to get a 10 - 20% performance increase, this is what eggs me people say "ohh I got a 30% increase in performance" yeah? You do know in 1994 - 1998 there was a 300% increase in performance? 3.4mhz is stock. Reason i asked is 'Core Speed 1596.3 MHz' shows a power saving profile. Change power profile to 'performance' and check core speed under load. It should read 3.4mhz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kklownboy 43 Posted January 16, 2014 the game doesnt even start to shine untill you hit 3.6, and really needs 4.2 and above. The only issue with OC is being dumb with voltage. There are videos,Bios templets of all the CPUs and most of the MotherBoards,,,Any good OC web site has lots of good info. Been OC my CPU since 2008, @4.0 or 4.2~, 16hrs a day or more, On air... You cant kill your kit with heat, being to hot just shuts it down. What can happen is corrupting your OS with too MANY hard reboots (SSDs) when testing...have a BackUp like a real man. As for the 20% isnt worth it? even 5fps more can be the difference in a smoother experience. But its more like 10 to 15 more FPS when the CPU isnt the main Bottle neck and your Vidcard can really stretch out its speed. Form the i5-2500K/i7-2600k,2700k on up to todays CPUs ,you can, with little effort, hit 4.4 on stock cooler... A "i5" is the best bang for OC dollar on the planet. Get a new Computer tech if he doesn't understand this... Better yet build your own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polymath820 11 Posted January 17, 2014 The CPU under load is running at 3.4Ghz but it adaptively changes that speed changing from 3.1Ghz to 3.4Ghz checked it with turbo boost monitor under full load my CPU goes up to 60*c and this heat wave is not helping gone up to 64*c when I had my GTS 450 it was able to run arma 3 quite we'll only draw back is it pushed the +12V rail to 12.8V which was over the +-20% tolerance ratio resulting in the motherboard hitting 80*c killing my WD caviar green now have a caviar blue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azza FHI 50 Posted January 19, 2014 This goes for everyone - if u dont want lag spikes in this game then ull need to have a very strong system with an ssd. System needs to kept clean otherwise it will lag in general ( not just in game) My minimum specs (for good performance) would be i7 quad core at 4ghz Gtx 670 (still pretty weak) Ssd view distance set to minimum. other graphics settings set to high (clouds etc) otherwise the cpu handles them If u have anything below these specs then it boggles my mind that u think u deserve more performance. I mean arma is known for being hardware heavy due to the open world game it is. Im not trying to be rude but u are using tech that is 2 or so years old and its not even the flagship for its time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Instynct 1 Posted January 19, 2014 This goes for everyone - if u dont want lag spikes in this game then ull need to have a very strong system with an ssd. System needs to kept clean otherwise it will lag in general ( not just in game)My minimum specs (for good performance) would be i7 quad core at 4ghz Gtx 670 (still pretty weak) Ssd view distance set to minimum. other graphics settings set to high (clouds etc) otherwise the cpu handles them If u have anything below these specs then it boggles my mind that u think u deserve more performance. I mean arma is known for being hardware heavy due to the open world game it is. Im not trying to be rude but u are using tech that is 2 or so years old and its not even the flagship for its time. Nah... this is false information. No matter what system you have you will have unstable performance on this game @ multiplayer. Unless you think 20 fps in cities is stable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azza FHI 50 Posted January 19, 2014 well, I just ordered my new rig which will be up and running by the weekend. main specs: 4770K 780s sli ssd 16gb ram ill post back with the results and well see if the engine still runs shit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Instynct 1 Posted January 19, 2014 well, I just ordered my new rig which will be up and running by the weekend.main specs: 4770K 780s sli ssd 16gb ram ill post back with the results and well see if the engine still runs shit It will... I have a 4770k with 2x 780 Ti SLI. I get 90 fps everything maxed on a empty server. Then I go to a server with 10+ people on it my framerate is only 40s at server start then drops to 20s when the server has been running for more then 10 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Furret 0 Posted January 19, 2014 It's pretty simple, if you want decent performance don't play multiplayer and don't play singleplayer with AI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikiforos 450 Posted January 19, 2014 Just keep spending money on GPUs, just remember it make minimal difference on game performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jiltedjock 10 Posted January 19, 2014 This goes for everyone - if u dont want lag spikes in this game then ull need to have a very strong system with an ssd. System needs to kept clean otherwise it will lag in general ( not just in game)My minimum specs (for good performance) would be i7 quad core at 4ghz Gtx 670 (still pretty weak) Ssd view distance set to minimum. other graphics settings set to high (clouds etc) otherwise the cpu handles them If u have anything below these specs then it boggles my mind that u think u deserve more performance. I mean arma is known for being hardware heavy due to the open world game it is. Im not trying to be rude but u are using tech that is 2 or so years old and its not even the flagship for its time. my i5 2500k at 4.7Ghz - on air - will out perform the specs you have given there. CPUs of that generation will perform just as well as the newer chips, little has changed over the last couple of generations other than onboard video. My advice to the OP would be to get a 2500k CPU and a good cooler, and overclock it to 4.6 or 4.7 which is easily achievable on Sandy Bridge on air. ---------- Post added at 01:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 PM ---------- Overclocking is dangerous and not worth the risk Utter nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gambla 10 Posted January 19, 2014 @ Polymath820 "Poor frame rates" is relative, are you talking about SP or MP ? Poor FPS in MP is a well known issue and hopefully in review. For comparison in SP you need to run these benchmarks and tell us the results. I'm running a i2500K @4400 (usage about 80%) + a GTX570 (= limiting bottleneck) and A3 is running excellent. Your speces don't seem that far away from mine though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clarionhorn 10 Posted January 19, 2014 It's pretty simple, if you want decent performance don't play multiplayer and don't play singleplayer with AI. lol Just keep spending money on GPUs, just remember it make minimal difference on game performance. nor does spending money on new cpus and better coolers to overcock, because the game doesn't take advantage of multiple cores very well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polymath820 11 Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Before anyone says anything about my PC "being untidy" It has windows scheduler configured to: sfc /scannow DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth Defragment the HDD reguarly There is No crapware on my PC at all. Ever. There is a scheduled download / update time of windows updates and after that it will do a /shutdown using windows command scheduler Video-drivers are set to automatic update no matter what Motherboard drivers as well. Antivirus is religiously kept upto date. I also have a very big toolkit for getting rid of persistent system infections list includes but not limited to: Spybot SND 2.0 (Portable) Kaspersky TDSS Killer (Portable) Malwarebytes Free (Antimalware) Malwarebytes Anti-rootkit Kaspersky Rescue disk (Linux antivirus environment) Sophos Free tool HijackThis Trendmicro rescue disk as well .... etc. I am sort of wondering if it could be my antivirus. Which is Kaspersky Internet Security 2014 it does active memory checks all the time but the CPU load is minimal when it does them I also have "Gaming profile" enabled which should suspend the high disk or cpu load activities. Because using a advanced process explorer it tells me my antivirus has upwards of over 3210 Handles. On threads. Will post back after testing Arma 3 Mark: (Pending) Stratis Mark: 23FPS Average Altis Mark: Ok this is just wtf... Altis gets more FPS than Stratis: Average FPS 29 Goal if I could run everything on ultra with 30 - 35 FPS I am happy. It is more than smooth enough then. I don't really care about an FPS above "enjoyable experience". It is when my FPS gets raped when moving around certain places it's not fun. Side Note: I noticed objects seem less Aliased when you increase the "render sampling size". Edited January 19, 2014 by Polymath820 Additional info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gambla 10 Posted January 20, 2014 On demand scanners can't hurt, but disabling the "active mem check" is worth a try. According to some websites my i2500K is only about 6% faster in raw performance, so your's is not too bad. I'd recommend to check CPU utilisation with CoreTemp and GPU Util. with MSIAfterburner. I had about 68 fps on Stratis (1st benchmark ?) on very high, you can't be that far away from this result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b00tsy 28 Posted January 20, 2014 Before anyone says anything about my PC "being untidy"There is No crapware on my PC at all. Ever. Big list of freeware crap: Spybot SND 2.0 (Portable) Kaspersky TDSS Killer (Portable) Malwarebytes Free (Antimalware) Malwarebytes Anti-rootkit Kaspersky Rescue disk (Linux antivirus environment) Sophos Free tool HijackThis Trendmicro rescue disk as well .... etc. . Nothing is free in this world. I had installed Avira free once on my PC that had a shitload of things doing in the background including running ads, connecting to some adsite and running half a dozen processes constantly all hooked up to the internet. I now have a new PC and I consider freeware to be adware and lagware if it is always running. I only buy things now (I don't even use Six launcher)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polymath820 11 Posted January 21, 2014 I never have that sort of thing running in the background I know how to use cmd.exe netstat -a -b tells me all active ports and processes also -d fully qualified domain name. I know which ports are open. Kaspersky does do a lot of "loopback talk" on port 1110 don't know if that would cause issues. Also the "freeware" I use isn't dangerous Malwarebytes has a Digital Signature that is vaild so does the other tools. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extramous 10 Posted January 21, 2014 It may be due to your Graphics Card trying to change the graphics edit the settings in the Graphics Control Panel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
