Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[binkster 0]

MSNBC, CNN and Fox are all extreme right-wing news sources.

I wouldnt say CNN and MSNBC are far right.. Now FoxNews for example (Glenn Beck) Far right... In most cases I would say CNN is far left.

[Zipper5 74]

They all support the idea of exploitation of man by man, capitalism and imperialism.

Welcome to the basic principles that American society was founded on. :p

[Minutemen 10]

Take your head out of your ass. blablabla

Stop spreading your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Stop affronting me. And why do you telling me i should do not say some things that are inconvenient for establishment? Have a Problem with a world outlook that is different than yours? Whats your problem?

Unless Qatar is a wing of British Intelligence too I find that hard to believe

What do you think who controlls these greedy and corrupts kings?

Do you have any proof to back up your outlandish claims?

Do you guys think there is a golden apple or something like that, that i can show you on a silver plate? I read many articels and books about the subject and i tell you what i found out. Other experts, like Webster Tarpley, say the same thing. Nearly everything down there is launched or backed up by the british since world war two.

"But I also should say how much I appreciated the remarks of the gentleman from Al Jazeera. I'm sorry he told us the story about the BBC because I had hoped to refer to him as the only member of Al Jazeera who hadn't been a former employee of the World Service of the BBC, thus subtly hinting that Al Jazeera is really an MI6 operation."

John O'Sullivan - united press international

They all support the idea of exploitation of man by man, capitalism and imperialism.

Capitalism and imperialism are two different things. They are incongruous to each other. Capitalism = Free Market. Imperialism = Centralization.

Who is the market? We are the market. WE. We trade with each other. Big business has nothing to do with free market, because big business monopolys are protectet by laws against any Competition/Market/us.

Competition is a sin

John D. Rockefeller

But the reds don't tell you that. All what they can is lie, steal and murder. The worst of all.

[Zipper5 74]

Stop affronting me. And why do you telling me i should do not say some things that are inconvenient for establishment? Have a Problem with a world outlook that is different than yours? Whats your problem?

No, I have a problem with openly lying, and I called you on it based on first-hand experience. I actually live in the city where the news station is based and have a friend who's father works there, supporting my opinion of the station. Heck, I've dealt with Al Jazeera a few times in the past personally. What do you have? A couple of unsupported claims and accusations found somewhere on the internet, I'm sure, like the rest of what you're posting.

If there's one thing that irks me most, it's conspiracy theorists who blatantly lie but go unchallenged because no one has experience that goes against what they say.

[froggyluv 2136]

I wouldnt say CNN and MSNBC are far right.. Now FoxNews for example (Glenn Beck) Far right... In most cases I would say CNN is far left.

I disagree that CNN is FAR left. Perhaps have a leftist spin or attitude but not really Far. For instance, I have never seen a story on Fox that could be seen by anyone with a centrist view as favoring the left, or criticising the Right. Fox generally has a panel of all conservative pundits while CNN often features at least 1 Conservative voice Ie...Ed Rollins/ Tea Party Lady etc... as well have featured stories that are critical of Obama and Leftist politicians. The only time Ive ever seen Fox do that is if the Republican isn't conservative enough or has disgraced himself with sex scandal.

Ive never really watched MSNBC but dont need to to know they are spinning fully to the left.

[Minutemen 10]

No, I have a problem with people who openly lie, and I called you on it based on first-hand experience.

the topic's name a lie. Whats about that? does matter, hm? :rolleyes:

Welcome to the basic principles that American society was founded on.

Thats a lie by you.

[Zipper5 74]

Show me a credible source that claims the thread title's a lie. It may have passed me by, but I don't think the two pilots who defected have come out and said they lied yet.

Thats a lie by you.

So the Americans aren't capitalists?

Edited March 27, 2011 by Zipper5

[froggyluv 2136]

So the Americans aren't capitalists?

No, havent you heard, we're Communists! Watch Fox News, they'll explain ;)

[Minutemen 10]

Show me a credible source that claims the thread title's a lie. It may have passed me by, but I don't think the two pilots who defected have come out and said they lied yet.

I've linked the russia today report two times and other people did this too.

So the Americans aren't capitalists? My god, my world was just turned upside down. :eek:

Hey Man, the US got a central bank since 1913. Thats a policy by the communist manifesto.

[maturin 12]

Rebels just took Ras Lanuf, which is where the tide turned last time. Al Jazeera says they haven't come across any tanks though, just bombed-out AA and light armor, so Ghaddafi must be planning to make a stand somewhere. But Misrata is in-between Tripoli and his armor.

[celery 8]

I've linked the russia today report two times and other people did this too.

Russia Today still isn't credible for anything at all. It's a clear as daylight pro-Russia/anti-western propaganda distributor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29#Controversies_and_criticisms

If in doubt, ask William Dunbar:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2008/aug/12/russiantvreporterresignsaf

Edited March 27, 2011 by Celery

[soul_assassin 1750]

Russia Today still isn't credible for anything at all. It's a clear as daylight pro-Russia/anti-western propaganda distributor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29#Controversies_and_criticisms

If in doubt, ask William Dunbar:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2008/aug/12/russiantvreporterresignsaf

again, its in wikipedia thus it must be true. And an article from a disgruntled employee? A pinnacle of unbiased prooflinks you got there.

Bottom line is, YES RT is biased, but so is eeeeeeeeeevery single source of media. Every single one. Its just human nature, we cannot escape it. But this is where it comes down to choice. Don't like it don't watch it. Find something that fits your own bias and watch that. Everybody wins.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

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A young girl flashes the victory sign during a celebratory rally after the United Nations approved a no-fly zone over the country on March 18 in Tobruk. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

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An elderly rebel fighter gestures in front of a destroyed tank belonging to forces loyal to Moammar Khadafy after an air strike by coalition forces in Benghazi March 20.

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Rebel fighters ride on a tank captured from Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy's forces in Benghazi March 19. (Goran Tomasevic/Reuters)

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A rebel fighter supporter shoots into the air as she reacts to the news of the withdrawal of Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy's forces from Benghazi March 19. (Goran Tomasevic/Reuters)

might update with more

[Spokesperson 0]

Capitalism and imperialism are two different things. They are incongruous to each other. Capitalism = Free Market. Imperialism = Centralization.

Who is the market? We are the market. WE. We trade with each other. Big business has nothing to do with free market, because big business monopolys are protectet by laws against any Competition/Market/us.

Competition is a sin

John D. Rockefeller

But the reds don't tell you that. All what they can is lie, steal and murder. The worst of all.

Imperialism is a natural expansion of capitalism to include interests overseas. Under imperialism some capitalists turn into so called compradors.

There is no free market, it is an unreachable ideal which is destroyed by the agents of the markets themselves as it lies in their interests. Capitalism is not about having a free market, it is about having a minority that owns all the means of production while having a majority working for them and thus generating profits for them. The laws are designed to make capitalist oppression and exploitation legal. If workers tried to overthrow the parasites who steal their labour the police and military would be called in to defend the current order.

Obama is also a far-rightist. Liberalism is extremism. It violates basic human rights.

[maturin 12]

Bottom line is, YES RT is biased, but so is eeeeeeeeeevery single source of media. Every single one. Its just human nature, we cannot escape it. But this is where it comes down to choice. Don't like it don't watch it. Find something that fits your own bias and watch that. Everybody wins.

That's idiotic.

Have you ever watched any TV news or read any newspapers?

Oh gee, everyone's biased, we might as well make our peace with lies. Such gutlessness this thread brings out.

There really is a difference between Neo-Nazi pamphlets, BBC World Service and your local church newsletter.

I've seen the worst of Fox news, and believe me, Russia Today is trash. Read the Novaya Gazeta if you want a Russian source.

[celery 8]

again, its in wikipedia thus it must be true. And an article from a disgruntled employee? A pinnacle of unbiased prooflinks you got there.

Unlike you, Wikipedia uses sources that can be checked against other possible sources.

Bottom line is, YES RT is biased, but so is eeeeeeeeeevery single source of media. Every single one. Its just human nature, we cannot escape it. But this is where it comes down to choice. Don't like it don't watch it. Find something that fits your own bias and watch that. Everybody wins.

RT is more biased than others. Don't try to play it down by pointing at things that aren't even a fraction as severe. You already discarded Al Jazeera as "British intelligence", a baseless remark that can't be proven in any way. Why isn't RT ringing any bells for you? Afterall, it's openly funded by the Russian government to work on foreign soil.

Edited March 27, 2011 by Celery

[soul_assassin 1750]

Unlike you, Wikipedia uses sources that can be checked against other possible sources.

RT is more biased than others. Don't try to play it down by pointing at things that aren't even a fraction as severe. You already discarded Al Jazeera as "British intelligence", a baseless remark that can't be proven in any way.

I didnt provide any facts that need backing up by any source, Im a bit confused. Im just questioning your sources.

I didnt discard anything. That british intelligence comment wasn't mine thank you very much.

RT is more biased than others. Don't try to play it down by pointing at things that aren't even a fraction as severe.

How in the hell do you know? Unless u were in Libiya and saw with your own eyes, where do u decide who is more believable. I tell you how, u trust whatever aligns better with ur own bias.

That's idiotic.

Have you ever watched any TV news or read any newspapers?

Oh gee, everyone's biased, we might as well make our peace with lies. Such gutlessness this thread brings out.

There really is a difference between Neo-Nazi pamphlets, BBC World Service and your local church newsletter.

I've seen the worst of Fox news, and believe me, Russia Today is trash. Read the Novaya Gazeta if you want a Russian source.

This drives my point even further. If you are a neo-nazi, you believe the pamphlet, if you are a christian, you believe the newsletter. And yes of course they are different but here we were talking about sources that claim to be "fair and balanced".

Oh and by the way Novaya Gazeta has its own political agenda, Im sure of it.

But anyway we are waaay off topic, Its not a thread about RT. So lets leave it at peace.

[celery 8]

I didnt provide any facts that need backing up by any source, Im a bit confused. Im just questioning your sources.

I didnt discard anything. That british intelligence comment wasn't mine thank you very much.

Sorry, I confused you for Minutemen. Still, Wikipedia uses a source system and you yourself can check those sources and compare them against others if you think it's bs.

How in the hell do you know? Unless u were in Libiya and saw with your own eyes, where do u decide who is more believable. I tell you how, u trust whatever aligns better with ur own bias.

Did you read the Wiki article I linked? RT is blatantly giving one-sided and twisted stories that even Fox News wouldn't get away with. And you think it's a good source of information because there may be other news networks that might be almost as biased and politically motivated? Oh please.

[Minutemen 10]

Russia Today still isn't credible for anything at all. It's a clear as daylight pro-Russia/anti-western propaganda distributor.

But western media like CNN is credible? These fucks that lied over and over again about incubator massacres and

?

I can't read this shit anymore. I'am just sick of these lies!

Obama is also a far-rightist. Liberalism is extremism. It violates basic human rights.

And why he socialized a huge part of the US economy, when he's a "rightist"?

And why does liberalism, what means freedom, violate basic human rights?

Maybee because the reds told you that humans are greedy, gorily and unsocial animals that need an even greedyer and beastlier overseer that keeps everyone in control? And keep still about the fact, that communism is a creation by big business? That Ford Motor Company build up the Soviet economy and the west give them money over and over again?

Capitalism is not about having a free market, it is about having a minority that owns all the means of production while having a majority working for them

I still have a computer, i still have a car, i still have a home that isn't in a building made with precast concrete slabs.

And what do we have in socialistic/communistic systems? A minority of apparatschiks whos everyone working for.

So why does *Zipper5* talk smack to me, but does not care about that communistic crap?

I will not longer pour time into this.

[*LK1* 10]

Well I believe that's proven to be the least of the problems. You obviously either ignored or didn't see the article stating that there are men who killed US troops in Iraq as well as known AQ members fighting with the rebels.

wait but they still freedom fighters and not terrorists even if they kill US troops which they are clearly are an occupation force. or they can being called freedom fighters only if they shoot against gheddafi troops? :p

Russia Today - news *you* want to hear. :rolleyes:

so your implicit theory is: they are not credible.

can you prove that or is just your personal unmotivated theory? dont get me wrong im not trying to troll you or to make you mad, im just asking ;)

for give you and example: i saw how RT has reported news from the cechen war and they are not facious as you may think, personally i dont think they are the official voice of the kremlin cuz they dont have omitted news which they can be considerated compromizing for russia.

Not use for him?! What do you thinking? That Bin Laden can be replaced with some filthy warlord?

There are two big families in saudi-arabia. The Sauds and the Bin Ladins. Don't tell me they "had no use for him". They used him against the russians and against the serbs. Hes one of there mightiest tools for destabilization.

What are you smoking?

maybe not bin laden or his family, but i guess hes trying to say that the us government, or CIA, has used al qaeda to fight and destabilize bosnia and cechnya against the serbs and russians. which is a matter of fact proved by many news papers and documentaries around the world.you have just to ask for links if you dont believe me.

now we have an islamization process in bosnia which is contaminating albania and kosovo.these countries were never radical islamics but now they can be considerated a potential HQ for any terrorist action right in the center of europe. we probably have to fight against this dick that slowly slowly is trying to enter in our asses.but why you should care, you know, americans are miles away from europe :)

The thing with News Providers such as RT is that they do happen to have quite a lot of nutters on.

i guess is a desease which has already contaminated western networks too.

for example that asian woman journalist of fow news is not a facious retarted

extremist?

So regardless of whether something they broadcast is completely true it's validity can get diluted by the slightly stranger stories that they have on that have messed around with their reputation.

mmm is very hard here to have some fact, just opinions based on who know what.

Yes. And in the process, RT becomes an extremely unreliable source for anything at all because it has to show the west in a bad light in all things at any cost. In the Korean artillery thing RT reported it like North was only defending itself from the infinite aggression of the South.

oh so this is 1 of the example that prove the faciousness of RT. finally we start talking about something real. not only abstract thoughts.

personally i guess that political crisis has proved how ridicolous are the western media and not RT: the wester media were trying to put in a bad light

NK(which is a bad state of course but this is another question) by forgiving to say,or by say it "with a low voice", why NK has started to shell those islands. so pretty much a typical western citizen could think "WTF? why the hell these NKoreans want to provocate the third world war? fkin crazy regime!". actually the SK military was organazing an huge naval exercise( which mean an huge deployment of forces) close to the NK borderline.

this is an old way to irritate an enemy by sending your troops near his borderline just for an exercise,with that excuse NK has tryed to pissed off SK, and of course they reached their goal. now plz lets think about if serbia did something similar on bosnia, how the bosnians could react? or if russia do the same with an huge amount of naval units near the california coasts :eek:

isn't enough for a casus belli or at least to irritate an enemy.

of course, doenst matter if you are chinese,american,SK or NK.these gatherings of troops cannot being accepted if made by an enemy close to your bordeline. cuz it wouldnt be the first time that, with an excuse of an exercise, a government is preparing an invasion.

so what RT did in this case is just to give voice even at the NKoreans and not only at the south. unlike the western media which have clearly didived

the 2 actors of that crisis by using a manichean logic: the good boys on south side and the bad guys on the north.my 2 cents on CNN,FOX news ecc.

By stating that a war can be illegal, you accept the fact that such things are governed by laws. The UN is the law in that respect, and the UN has given mandate for virtually every means to stop Gaddafi except a land occupation.

i agree with that. less for the real reasons of this war.

Edited March 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

@Minutemen - Zipper5 is a moderator with some... interesting opinions, and he likes to make them known. Personally I try to ignore his posts (When they are on a specific topic/debate, when he is posting as a regular member, not when he is posting as a moderator.) because they almost come across as flame bait. (I'm not saying they are/do.)

OT: Screw CNN, RT, Fox, BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the other ones.

I get my news from the ONN. :D

This post is in compliance with all forum rules, including §1, §18 and §19 (They are images not videos, however the way the site has the images puts it in compliance with §19 if it also applies to images)

Caution - There are several images in the first link that are graphic on nature, as they show wounded/dead rebels/soldiers, the aftermath of air attacks & the like. All of these pictures however are blacked out by the website they are on. They require you to manually remove the block to view the images. So if you want to see everything, including the effects of what's going on, you can, while if you do not wish to see violent images, you do not have to.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/libya_un_airstrikes_aid_rebels.html

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/02/libya_unrest_and_uncertainty.html

Edited March 27, 2011 by Darkhorse 1-6

[MehMan 0]

There is no free market, it is an unreachable ideal

Just to stir things up.

Communism is an unreachable ideal. How about that?

[Baff1 0]

I wouldnt say CNN and MSNBC are far right.. Now FoxNews for example (Glenn Beck) Far right... In most cases I would say CNN is far left.

Left wing American politics is far to the right of many of our countries.

[*LK1* 10]

celery, unless some arguable opinion, can you show me evidence about the faciousness of RT?

cuz i wouldn't elevate wikipedia and the "der spiegel" at the role of voice of god.

i can ensure you i can find other links from other network which they talk nicely of RT.

we could try to analize the news reported from RT to establish if they are credible or not. who care about some opinion.

telling that RT today is the long hand of the kremlin is just a conspiracy theory.

oh wait...this conspiracy theory must be valid in this case. cuz is promoted by the western media not by a lonely left side stoned blogger :bounce3::bounce3:

and saying that RT blablabla technically IT IS a conspiracy theory :bounce3::bounce3:

Edited March 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Big Mac 19]

wait but they still freedom fighters and not terrorists even if they kill US troops which they are clearly are an occupation force. or they can bel called freedom fighters only if they shoot against gheddafi troops?

Read the article and also read how the insurgents in Iraq conducted themselves and then come back and say they weren't terrorists..

maybe not bin laden or his family, but i guess hes trying to say that the us government, or CIA, has used al qaeda to fight and destabilize bosnia and cechnya against the serbs and russians. which is a matter of fact proved by many news papers and documentaries around the world.you have just to ask for links if you dont believe me.

now we have an islamization process in bosnia which is contaminating albania and kosovo.these countries were never radical islamics but now they can be considerated a potential HQ for any terrorist action right in the center of europe. we probably have to fight against this dick that slowly slowly is trying to enter in our asses.but why you should care, you know, americans are miles away from europe

Wrong again, you can't separate the two. It's been proven time and again that the CIA/AQ link is a myth, it's the only thing America and AQ agree on. I'm not saying America hasn't funded and trained it's share of terrorist groups but AQ was not one of them.