pandur 10 Posted January 12, 2011 using this beta 1) I always have to start the game twice. when loaded for the first time it lags heavily in the menu and the cursor is jumping around. after ending the program and restarting it everything is perfect... strange? 2) the lod issue with latest ati drivers/ 5970 is MUCH better now. but especially on takistan some trees (the slim and high one mostly) sometimes don't load the highest resolution. sometimes it takes a few seconds, sometimes even more. I also think before 1.57 or so highres was loaded when the player was further away from the objects. anyway it's getting better and better, I'll keep supporting BIS by downloading dlcs which I wouldn't do for any other game. keep it up! awesome game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boneboys 0 Posted January 12, 2011 Concerning the helicopter jitterbug when approaching a pickup. I have not tried with AI pilots. I made a Helli training mission when OA was released ( me = pilot). In the last official release when I approach the LZ and hit the auto-pilot button, I have complete control. In all post beta releases, in the same situation, once auto-pilot is engaged, I got the Helli-jitter-bugs. I'm pretty methodic about these sort of things... Harry Harris, reporter :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maruk 80 Posted January 12, 2011 Any observations concerning infantry AI? They should work much better now, not finding "cover" in the middle of crossroads etc. so I am curious if it really works as desired now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ericfr 0 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) @Alwarren You're right for the bad formation in Danger Mode Tested (wedge formation) several times in Desert No ennemy, No object : Run fast 100m stop and order "return in formation", my squad move and stay front of me with this Beta, with 1.57 they stay always behind me. @Maruk For me it's much better now but there is this bug above. Edited January 12, 2011 by EricFr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rübe 127 Posted January 12, 2011 Looks like there is a problem with AI getting stuck when they're using a handgun. They won't follow any commands anymore (per scripting!), they'll just stand there, pointing around with their stupid handgun... For scripting, _unit selectWeapon (primaryWeapon _unit); usually does the trick to prevent this, though if I'm in the process of switching to the handgun as player, right before I do selectNoPlayer and some camera-tricks, I still manage to get the unit (now AI) stuck. Hm, maybe I can cook up a little repro mission. Because this could be the reason for AI getting stuck at several occasions, which are otherwise hard to understand/track I guess... :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maturin 12 Posted January 12, 2011 Maruk said: Any observations concerning infantry AI?They should work much better now, not finding "cover" in the middle of crossroads etc. so I am curious if it really works as desired now. I would be thrilled if they started staying out of the open. I'd gladly test. As always, circumstances are everything. Are you talking about a stationary squad in Danger mode? A squad given a certain waypoint type in Combat mode? A squad given a Find Cover command? In Stealth mode? Should I look at individual (ungrouped) AI behavior so as not to bother with formations? (If you made them more rigidly adhered to, it must have necessarily reduced use of cover in some situations.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hanzu 10 Posted January 12, 2011 5133p39 said: did anybody encountered simmilar problems? Not really similar but maybe related problems. I just reported them to CIT. Vote if you also experince them (see bottom part for multiplayer player positioning issues): http://dev-heaven.net/issues/16672 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nkenny 1057 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) @Maruk Frankly no. I have a series of small to medium scale missions involving small infantry and light vehicle units. The enemy is independent guerillas -- so I often run player led units of different nationalities (F2-groups UK sections, USMC fireteams, US army teams, Russian sections, and so on) through the missions. Though tuneups to how AI soldiers keep in formation are welcome; its yet to make a very big impact on my play style. In my experience it is not formation issues that kill AI-- rather more common are- 1. Ineffective bounding Overwatch routines 2. Pathfinding failure when following the player through certain areas. 3. Unecessary convoluted User Interface and lacking vocal/text feedback from AI troopers.* *Creating a lack of situational awareness and complicates what should otherwise be a relatively simple affair. Eitherway I'm thrilled that the AI is getting some attention-- and I'm sure most of the regular posters here recognize that tweaking the AI isn't like dusting crops. I'm certainly going to do a little more testing on the specifics of dangermode (and I'll probably enjoy it!) @reube I believe there are a number of devhaven tickets related to the issue-- but yes. Its hurting! -k Edited January 12, 2011 by NkEnNy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwarren 2767 Posted January 12, 2011 ruebe said: Looks like there is a problem with AI getting stuck when they're using a handgun. They won't follow any commands anymore (per scripting!), they'll just stand there, pointing around with their stupid handgun... Speaking of handguns, I noticed (and that's since the first Arrowhead I think) that sometimes when you teamswitch in multiplayer, you get back to your original guy and he's got the pistol out, and when you try to switch to the rifle, he pops it up a second then gets the pistol again. Might be related, might also relate to some units using handguns instead of their main gun. Also, if a unit has no rifle but only a launcher (stinger for example) they don't seem to get up from a crouch, instead they look like they're teabagging. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5133p39 16 Posted January 12, 2011 5133p39 said: I have some strange MP experience with at least 2 of the latest betas - huge desyncs.... Just reporting back after another MP session.Tonight we were using this beta again, playing same missions as before, and we had no desync problems. Seems like those desyncs we got previously were caused by something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isola 10 Posted January 13, 2011 NkEnNy said: @MarukFrankly no. I have a series of small to medium scale missions involving small infantry and light vehicle units. The enemy is independent guerillas -- so I often run player led units of different nationalities (F2-groups UK sections, USMC fireteams, US army teams, Russian sections, and so on) through the missions. Though tuneups to how AI soldiers keep in formation are welcome; its yet to make a very big impact on my play style. In my experience it is not formation issues that kill AI-- rather more common are- 1. Ineffective bounding Overwatch routines 2. Pathfinding failure when following the player through certain areas. 3. Unecessary convoluted User Interface and lacking vocal/text feedback from AI troopers.* *Creating a lack of situational awareness and complicates what should otherwise be a relatively simple affair. Eitherway I'm thrilled that the AI is getting some attention-- and I'm sure most of the regular posters here recognize that tweaking the AI isn't like dusting crops. I'm certainly going to do a little more testing on the specifics of dangermode (and I'll probably enjoy it!) @reube I believe there are a number of devhaven tickets related to the issue-- but yes. Its hurting! -k nice feedback! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Withstand 10 Posted January 13, 2011 CTD when trying to exit game with this beta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffeecat 10 Posted January 13, 2011 Maruk said: Any observations concerning infantry AI?They should work much better now, not finding "cover" in the middle of crossroads etc. so I am curious if it really works as desired now. I can see some improvements, they take cover behind more objects and are more carefull now. And yea, there is still the problem with AI getting stuck with their handguns. Mostly it happens for Chechz and Germans, rarely seen it on other Forces. I remember reading this often as really bad bug, hope you guys can reproduce it and fix it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireball 16 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Well, this is about AI and funny behavior when using handgun: http://dev-heaven.net/issues/3168 Originally it was about "getting stuck", but right now (if server is also running beta), it looks like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3l5EhkcClU Important to repro the issue is a) to have it stay crouched and b) to send it full speed to some place or to run away, so AI has to follow with full speed c) also try out stealth/danger modes There is a similar issue without any weapon: http://dev-heaven.net/issues/16229 Edited January 13, 2011 by Fireball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nkenny 1057 Posted January 13, 2011 NkEnNy said: @MarukFrankly no. I was wrong. The tune ups seem to have made the AI significantly more willing to utilize cover and capable of ignoring some of the 'micromovement' made by player commanders. Will test more. Key issues remain however. 1. Ineffective bounding Overwatch routines 2. Pathfinding failure when following the player through certain areas. 3. Unecessary convoluted User Interface and lacking vocal/text feedback from AI troopers. -k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rübe 127 Posted January 13, 2011 Fireball said: Well, this is about AI and funny behavior when using handgun: Thanks for the overview. But I guess a new ticket is due. Here is the repro-mission as promised - and this time really small and tidy. If your character has the main weapon selected, everything runs fine (the cam follows the AI walking a bit and returns control to the player). Now repeat as instructed in the repro mission hint; with your handgun out and the AI get's stuck immediately. Dead end! It's a trap! :D This has the potential to break every friggin mission, unless you simply take all the pistols away from everybody. Also I guess that dead-end/lock is animation related. What do you think Fireball? Should I open a new ticket for this or do you see a ticket that is related close enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireball 16 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) ruebe said: What do you think Fireball? Should I open a new ticket for this or do you see a ticket that is related close enough? New ticket. It's not related to crouching, as it seems. EDIT: Looks more like it's related to forceSpeed. Edited January 13, 2011 by Fireball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rübe 127 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Fireball said: EDIT: Looks more like it's related to forceSpeed. Nope. Just updated the repro mission, offering a second radio trigger to run the script without forceSpeed. Same result. Also crouching isn't necessary to trigger the deadend. But fine, a new ticket is is then. Edit: done. Edited January 13, 2011 by ruebe ticket Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pandur 10 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) ruebe said: Looks like there is a problem with AI getting stuck when they're using a handgun. They won't follow any commands anymore (per scripting!), they'll just stand there, pointing around with their stupid handgun...this is an old bug actually (I'm having this since arma2 started), there has been several reports on it in the past times. (work around: switch into them and press "V" or if you can not switch into them greet them. that helps most of the times and gets them out of their kneeing animation. Last time it happened I commanded a sniper to engage a target and he switch to the handgun and later in the game freezed suddenly.) Concerning Ai I've never again seen them taking cover on a road. That's nice. Mostly they are acting pretty smart. there are two more things that bug me a little bit... 1) sometimes the formation still gets mixed up http://dev-heaven.net/issues/8973 (not very often though) 2) http://dev-heaven.net/issues/15370 much better now, but in intense situations it still happens and I have to watch at block instead of a nice texture for about 2-3 seconds. (using cc10.12 ati 5970) 3) the seek cover command should imho work a bit different. first action should be AI immediately getting down to the ground and second action should be crawling into cover followed by no movement at all (that would be a reaction close to reality). apart from that this game is the ultimate experience :-) if you try to simulate such a huge world bugs occur that's just natural, thx for working on it. Greetings and keep up the good work. Edited January 13, 2011 by pandur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted January 14, 2011 Maruk said: Any observations concerning infantry AI?They should work much better now, not finding "cover" in the middle of crossroads etc. so I am curious if it really works as desired now. Not sure about AI not finding "cover" in the middle of crossroads as I never had a chance to see it do that, but other than that it's much more competent now. I could see AI taking cover behind the edge of the concrete fence, getting killed and then another AI taking his position to continue putting fire on me. Among other things. Yeah they seek cover OK, although there is a space for an improvement - in many cases AI will stand behind some corner, exposing much of his body - instead of leaning with most of his body covered by the wall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vipera 10 Posted January 14, 2011 When I send my squad soldiers to a new location one-by-one then they arrive MUCH faster than if I select all of them and send them to a new location all together. Is it normal behaviour? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icebreakr 3159 Posted January 14, 2011 You can test the "pistol/rifle" behaviour with cops from Lingor Units pack. They all carry glocks and it seems they prefer lying on ground with pistol in hand and with shotguns slung on their backs :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rübe 127 Posted January 14, 2011 Vipera said: When I send my squad soldiers to a new location one-by-one then they arrive MUCH faster than if I select all of them and send them to a new location all together. Is it normal behaviour? Sure. If you give all your units individual doMoves, they are a lot faster, because they do not move as team, but instead everyone moves as individual. In other words: no bounding overwatch, no "Go! I cover", just move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ericfr 0 Posted January 14, 2011 Danger Mode : Formation is defenitly bad with this beta. Only 8-8 and 8-9 work well and perhaps 8-6. With the others formations, my squad stays always front of me (like a form V), it's very annoying in combat.(this not happens with 1.57) It's a pity because i prefer this new AI behaviour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vipera 10 Posted January 14, 2011 I think formation is important when you move until your squad has an enemy contact. Since you are in fight already it's more important to keep squad safe (find covers) than keep formation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites