abs 2 Posted October 11, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11511886 I LOL'd but they're pretty cool. :) Abs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SD_BOB 10 Posted October 11, 2010 Operation Fortitude anyone?? Not really a new concept..... Effective though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myshaak 0 Posted October 11, 2010 Shadow.D. ^BOB^ said: Operation Fortitude anyone?? Not really a new concept..... Effective though. Exactly, it came to mind almost immediately. Although I would imagine that those money could have been spent better nowdays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomatoArden 0 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) Hmm, it seems like a good idea to do it agin. The Russian military is seriously lacking modern equipment so they need any tactical advantage they can get in a war. Maybe they can start selling it to other countries as well :p http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1150579 video Edited October 11, 2010 by TomatoArden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted October 11, 2010 TomatoArden said: Hmm, it seems like a good idea to do it agin. The Russian military is seriously lacking modern equipment so they need any tactical advantage they can get in a war. Maybe they can start selling it to other countries as well :phttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1150579 video No they cant, because china made blow up mocks are much cheaper:p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b0b 10 Posted October 11, 2010 Playing too much RUSE FTW :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveJA 12 Posted October 11, 2010 On the news this morning, they said that these blow up tanks cost one tenth of the price of the real thing. The thing is . . . 1 real tank = 10 blow up tanks :cool: ?????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SD_BOB 10 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) :D i'm guessing that was a bit of wrong information then. Either that or the Kremlin really has gone off the deep end. Good job we still have bayonets eh... "Charge that tank chaps!!" Edited October 11, 2010 by Shadow.D. ^BOB^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maturin 12 Posted October 11, 2010 They should put generators in them to try and mimic the heat distribution for IR. Seeing an entire region littered with tunguskas, half fake, half not, would play havoc with your planning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel 0 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) maturin said: They should put generators in them to try and mimic the heat distribution for IR. Seeing an entire region littered with tunguskas, half fake, half not, would play havoc with your planning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11511886 Quote They are also very realistic. They are made of a special material that tricks enemy radar and thermal imaging into thinking they are real weapons. I reckon these have potential as ArmA2 addons for conventional conflicts. Would certainly make SEAD and reconnaissance missions more "interesting". They'd even make good purchases in Warfare games, forcing enemy aircraft to engage fake targets, using up their ordnance and increasing survivability of your real batteries... Also, the report states they're one hundred times cheaper than the real thing, which sounds a little more reasonable. Edited October 11, 2010 by Daniel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwarden 1125 Posted October 11, 2010 this is quite old but it's really used by several armies already these fake models have correct proportions, TI and EM signature as real counterparts (i heard they also now trying to keep UV signature which is now detected by new sensor complets) with proper painting even MW and Gamma rays etc would be fooled ... definitely nice cheap way how claim 'we got nice equipment somewhere in countryside' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 11, 2010 Its the oldest game of the world: Fool your Enemy! Its a really great Idea, the Enemy will use up his ammo on this Things instead of the real ones, or he won´t even Attack at a certain point, because he believes that it is really good defended. So you can force the Enemy to attack a spot that he thinks has weak defenses, but in fact there are your real guns waiting for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_s 11 Posted October 11, 2010 So, if they shoot it, will it pop? :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparks50 0 Posted October 11, 2010 I want to bring one of these to the beach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 12, 2010 Would be pure WIN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vasmkd 12 Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) Truth is these bring up the cost of the missles, bombs for the bigger military spenders. Why do u guys think in Kosovo the serbs hardly lost any military equipment and NATO had to target civillian infrastructure. thousands of sorties and just a few destroyed tanks, imagine they tried invading russia LOL. Whatever the country being fooled by dummies spends on a missles is really going to cost many times higher for a succesful hit. When u think of the cost of the dummy and the cost of wasted missles this invention is one of the best things ever. Read here: The Times (London), June 24, 1999, Thursday Nato dropped thousands of bombs on dummy roads, bridges and soldiers...and hit only 13 real Serb tanks Michael Evans, defence editor, in Pristina NATO'S 79-day bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, which involved thousands of sorties and some of the most sophisticated precision weapons, succeeded in damaging only 13 of the Serbs' 300 battle tanks in Kosovo, despite alliance claims of large-scale destruction of Belgrade's heavy armour. With Nato's Kosovo Force (Kfor) now spread out into every area of the province, troops from all the different nationalities taking part in the peacekeeping operation have been searching for destroyed or damaged tanks and artillery. They have, so far, come across only three crippled tanks. During the air campaign, elaborate claims were made by Nato officials that hundreds of Serb tanks, artillery pieces, mortars and armoured personnel carriers had been struck. It was also suggested this was one of the main reasons why President Milosevic decided to cave in and agree to a ceasefire and the deployment of a large international peace-keeping force in Kosovo. Now some Nato officials are baffled about why he did surrender. It was claimed that up to 60 per cent of Serb artillery and mortar pieces had been hit and about 40 per cent of the Yugoslav Army's main battle tanks had been damaged or destroyed. There were even reports of an attack by B52 bombers on a Serb brigade which was drawn out into the open by Kosovo Liberation Army fighters, leading to the death of up to 700 Serb soldiers. However, before the Serbs finally withdrew three days ago, they informed Kfor that Nato had managed to hit 13 of the 300 or so tanks that they had deployed in Kosovo - most of which have been removed from the province on low-loaders. Kfor troops have found just three damaged T55 tanks left behind in Kosovo. "What we have found is a huge number of dummy tanks and artillery," one Kfor source said. The Yugoslav Army used well-practised Russian camouflage techniques which involved placing dummies around the countryside, some of them next to dummy bridges with strips of black plastic sheeting across fields as fake roads to delude Nato bombers into thinking they had a prime target to hit. "When you're travelling at 500mph at 15,000ft, it is easy to be fooled," another Kfor source said. When the Serbs finally withdrew from the province, at least 250 tanks were counted out, as well as 450 armoured personnel carriers and 600 artillery and mortar pieces. Travelling around Kosovo, one sees many destroyed army barracks, state police buildings and oil terminals, firm evidence that the Nato bombers were successful in hitting these prime targets. However, apart from the wrecks of a few trucks left behind by the Serbs, it is virtually impossible to spot a destroyed tank. © 1999, LEXIS®-NEXIS®, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All Rights Reserved. Edited October 12, 2010 by vasmkd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 12, 2010 Yes this is true, the NATO and the UN did really huge mistakes in their Yugoslavian campaign, not only this one. Tactics like this were used by Croatian and Serbian fighters during the war. I belive that the American Government didn´t realise that you can´t win a war only by bombardment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maturin 12 Posted October 12, 2010 "baffled why he did surrender?" Because the civilians in Belgrade weren't inflatables. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vasmkd 12 Posted October 12, 2010 maturin said: "baffled why he did surrender?"Because the civilians in Belgrade weren't inflatables. spot on with that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bascule42 10 Posted October 12, 2010 ...only problem I can see is if Russia's enemies start dropping inflatable bombs on these decoys. Or a lit cigarette. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_s 11 Posted October 12, 2010 Inflatable bombs, in inflatable bombers, launched from inflatable aircraft carriers. The perfect disguise. :cool: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abs 2 Posted October 13, 2010 I would just cover the area in radioactive sludge....see which units move. Abs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inkompetent 0 Posted October 20, 2010 I love Russia and all their subterfurge-stuff! It's hardly a new thing with decoys, but I love how Russia likes to put all these things into a vastly industrial scale. Then their stuff with cruise missile launchers concealed as ordinary freight containers and stuff like that. Good luck fighting an enemy you can't see! And indeed as vasmkd posted it has already been shown how brutally effective decoys can be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luke.S 10 Posted October 21, 2010 I want one. Just put an AA gun up in my garden. Wonder how long till the RAF got the crap scared out of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_s 11 Posted October 22, 2010 Luke.S said: I want one. Just put an AA gun up in my garden. Wonder how long till the RAF got the crap scared out of them More like see how long before theres an apache floating outside your bedroom window. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites