Project Reality - WIP Discussion

[flufball 10]

If I can offer some constructive criticism here? You could do with a bit more cohesion when dealing with the publicity side of this.

I'm quite fortunate, in that while I never got into Project Reality on BF2 I have a considerable number of friends who did, as of such I have a (somewhat small, admittedly) degree of understanding when it comes to the project. I am also patient enough to read through the thread and wiki to collate information that I need.

That said, the first post is your gateway into any community, most people will look at a twenty page (at the time of writing this) thread and look for the key information in the initial post. If something isn't clear there, the chances are they will ask in order to clarify, often leading to repeat questions about the same subject.

Many of these questions are answered later on within the thread, it is simply that they are hidden away in walls of text.

Take for example the questions about if things will work with missions made with COOP in mind. Unless I'm mistaken, the answer is “Yes, it is possible to use PR and the units provided, however they are not themselves optimised with cooperative play in mind.â€

That's not really covered in the initial post, it's elsewhere if you know where to look, but you have to have that knowledge already.

The issue I can see is that if people are reading this but are unable or unwilling to gather the later information, then they will most likely either be asking repeat questions or listing the mod as a write-off before it even gets off the ground.

If I can offer a tiny suggestion here, I would say that, outside of the highlight reels, you might wish to link the later posts, FAQ's and general information (e.g. wiki links and so on) that could be considered important within your initial post.

I'd also like to suggest that you might want to see if it is possible to make what you hope to achieve clearer. Right now, there is very little focus upon what appears to be your main aim with the mod. I can see what amounts to half a paragraph, at the most.

Again, it's a gateway issue. The information is available elsewhere, in previous posts, on the PR website and so on, but it works on the assumption that people have the time or interest to do that.

It's compounded somewhat by the fact that so far all the content and info released here has been about the British faction. I appreciate the approach that you have taken, I am aware that you intend to release information further down the line and that the new British Faction looks good from a media standpoint but being honest, it does have the ability to lead people on a very specific track, putting their train of thought on the shiny new toys rather than the gameplay.

Personally, I'd suggest that it might be worth considering putting more emphasis on the fact that the new factions, models, units and so on are there (assuming I've understood it correctly) to supplement the multiplayer experience.

It also lets you address questions like “will it work in coop†within the main text. Something simple - like:

“Although many of our assets will work within a cooperative environment, they have been optimised to function within the environment provided by our gameplay. At this time, our resources are primarily focused upon delivering the best Project Reality multiplayer experience we can.â€

Now, it's four in the morning, so my brain isn't functioning and that's hardly a passable sentence to have in a gateway post, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say.

The great thing about this sort of comment is it's open and closed. On the one hand, by saying “We are focusing our resources on x†it's closed and final (I like the word resources, it's quite handy if you can use it in a manner that doesn't make you sound like a tit) on the other hand, both the part about assets working outside of the PR game-modes and the “at this time†part keep it partially open, allowing a glimmer of leeway in the future.

Handy if someone does something unexpected three months down the line and you have to start back-tracking in an emergency.

Regardless, I'll be interested to see how PR pans out. The more people in ArmA the merrier and it'll be nice to have something new to try.

[Big Mac 19]

Big Mac, I note that your post history is interesting. Not only do you openly question the professional team that brings you the game you play in terms of protecting THEIR assets, licencing and the subsequent protection it offers the individual mods, you've trolled ebank's thread specifically attacking PR and it's 'conduct'. You seem to have lost interest in the project, as you stated. You advocate the 'modding community' throughout, as it's 'not the done thing'. Enlighten us as to what you've actually brought to the modding community here other than a clan and lots of time on your hands to comment? I note your join date and post count when you're claiming "our displeasure". I think you need to give yourself a shake to be honest.

This right here displays your immature conduct. I have been nothing but civil as has everyone else. It really doesn't speak highly of the type of players you intend to attract if the mod team itself are this disrespectful.

Why do you bring up my post history? Is it because deep down you realize that myself and others have a point, but are too prideful to admit it so instead you attack me about that things that have no bearing on this subject? It's bad form and is not the attitude a member of a mod team should have if it's coming into a new community. As for my join date and post count, so what? I've been around since OFP I just haven't signed up on to the BIS forums until this year, so sue me. I didn't know join dates and post counts were a measure of intelligence and worth these days, if it is then you my friend shouldn't talk.

In terms of modding contributions I have none in the BIS community except beta testing and advice, that doesn't mean anything I still have just as much right as a respected addon maker to voice displeasure because I'm a member of this community. It's extremely amusing that you want to bring the unit (which has nothing to do with this.) I'm with into this as well. They've have brought a lot to this community where as PR so far has brought nothing but snobbery and a few screenshots.

Edited August 18, 2010 by Big Mac

[AnimalMother92 10]

1 small question if I may: how did you guys overcome the 5 image limit per post (in the OP)?

/curious

[sabre 244]

"Last edited by Placebo; 08-16-2010 at 05:03 PM."

Think that would be how. Placebo merged the 3 posts.

[AnimalMother92 10]

Ah, figured as much. Cool cool.

[python.au 17]

The hide of this community, its amazing, its disgusting, all the PR team are trying to do is bring a Successful mod on another platform and try to improve the lack of pure PVP in arma. Now this is not going to say that what they want to achieve is going to fully work, but if your not going to play it don't bash it. It's not just PR this has happened to aswell, If its not what exactly what some people want. all im seeing is a big tantrum and people saying bring it back bring it how I WANT, like a spoilt child. Call me what you like, But im simply defending the "Innocence" here, The newguy bashing is not on. So to put it kindly, If you ain't got something constructive to say, F off and deal with it by yourself. This goes for any mods thread not just PR. People here have lost my respect, you should not push away someone elses work because you don't want to play it, or don't want it how its coming.

thats my 2 cents, say what you like about me, but don't bash the newguy trying some different.

[tyler4171 10]

The hide of this community, its amazing, its disgusting, all the PR team are trying to do is bring a Successful mod on another platform and try to improve the lack of pure PVP in arma. Now this is not going to say that what they want to achieve is going to fully work, but if your not going to play it don't bash it.

You may defending some "innocents" but we are entitled our opinions rather they be negative or positive...

thats my 2 cents, say what you like about me, but don't bash the newguy trying some different

The thing me and Mac are pushing is the mod teams attitude, they act as if they are god-like modders and as if they own the place

[A.R.Mageddon 0]

You may defending some "innocents" but we are entitled our opinions rather they be negative or positive...

Yes, but as granny likes to say, "if you haven't got something nice to say then don't say anything at all".

Its called manners.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manners , for all those who might be confused)

The thing me and Mac are pushing is the mod teams attitude, they act as if they are god-like modders and as if they own the place

Ah now it all becomes clear ... monkeys and territory ...

Wonder how long it is before we get a mention of Hitler ?

[tyler4171 10]

Ah now it all becomes clear ... monkeys and territory ...

Wonder how long it is before we get a mention of Hitler ?

Have you read anything in this thread other than the posts about resistence?

Or has ignorance clouded you? Anyway im done with this petty argument.

[acoustic 82]

People if you're going to argue over anything, please take it to the PMs. Kinda surprised that the moderators haven't done anything about it yet...

[ebanks129 10]

In regards to the game modes.. I'm not a fan of advance and secure from the pr bf2 but was of others. If anyone will give it a try to other modes.. let me know! I'd definitely love to play a round with. But like any other mod, there is the editor for the SP type players to check out the units and maps:)

[AfterDune 10]

Sigh. When you think a thread is starting to get good, we're getting all this discussion in here about attitude and everything, man.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with PR's "attitude", I don't know where that comes from. We're making a PR-mod for ArmA II and are proud of doing so ('cause after all, ArmA is a great engine!) and then our attitude is wrong - or let's say, not what you wish to see.

There's clearly something missing in the pvp scene and PR is hoping to create a mod that will offer pvp. Yes, on their own way and perhaps totally not in a way you're used to, but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with that.

You could say something like "this is not how we do things around here", and that's fine. You don't, and you don't have to, but PR does and will continue to do so.

Perhaps the wole idea that PR's attitude is "wrong" or "bad" comes from the fact we are very determined to get this whole thing right? That we are proud of what we're doing? And we're doing it the way we think is right.

And besides, many great names from the community have joined the PR team. Why would that be? Because they believe PR's goal can be achieved and want to be part of it, want to develop it and focus on PvP only and -my goodness I hope it will be achieved- bring ArmA the PvP love it deserves!

[acoustic 82]

Please no more posts like that, will just lead to more arguments.

[AfterDune 10]

Please no more posts like that, will just lead to more arguments.

You mean my post? If so, I don't mean it in any offensing way. I'm stating my humble personal opinion - respecting it if one thinks otherwise.

[acoustic 82]

Really? That is why there should be no posts like that.

Edited August 18, 2010 by Acoustic

[tyler4171 10]

I will honestly give PR a try, but if i dont like...to the recycle bin ;)

[AfterDune 10]

It's kinda hard to see anything wrong when you're a fan boy..

I'm sorry if that's how you feel about it. Perhaps it's best to shake the dust of your feet and move away from further PR discussions. I don't think there's much to gain at this moment.

I will honestly give PR a try, but if i dont like...to the recycle bin ;)

Fair enough ;).

[Big Mac 19]

Really? That is why there should be no posts like that. Mods, please do something. It seemed like you guys infracted me REALLY fast for cross posting.

Really dude chill.

I'm sorry if that's how you feel about it. Perhaps it's best to shake the dust of your feet and move away from further PR discussions. I don't think there's much to gain at this moment.

I intend to. It's quarter to 2 and I'm tired. Edited August 18, 2010 by Big Mac

[acoustic 82]

Really dude chill.

§1) No Flaming/Flame-baiting/bigotry

Your not are ya?

[Big Mac 19]

§1) No Flaming/Flame-baiting/bigotry

Your not are ya?

Now he reads the rules!! No we were not. Flame baiting is trying to get a rise out of someone, I'm having a debate.

[acoustic 82]

Listen good. What is the point of arguing in this thread, when there is a very useful PM tool. This thread is for News,problems, and discussion(not argument and flaming) of the mod.

Edited August 18, 2010 by Acoustic

[Big Mac 19]

Listen good. What is the point of arguing in this thread, when there is a very useful PM tool. This thread is for News,problems, and discussion(not argument and flaming) of the mod. I'd appreciate it if you took your little cry baby, flaming, attitude out of here.

And I'm discussing a problem bugger off. If a mod wants me to stop I'll stop no questions asked, until then stop playing forum admin.

[acoustic 82]

And I'm discussing a problem bugger off. If a mod wants me to stop I'll stop no questions asked, until then stop playing forum admin.

Seriously. Please, just stop posting in this thread unless you have something useful to say.

[AfterDune 10]

It's kinda hard to see anything wrong when you're a PR fan boy. If you bothered to read some of the posts you'd see how disrespectful they've been to respected members of the community and to people who have given constructive criticism, but you're a PR fan boy and being a PR fan boy means that the PR Devs could say they were Gods and you'd prostrate yourself before them chanting "Hollowed are the PR Devs."

I don't take this reply seriously, sorry. Calling me a fanboy is one thing, but (after your post-edit) going over the top just saddens me.

I've read the entire thread, might have missed some posts here and there. Please link me to disrespectful posts towards the ArmA community, if you will - but while you're at it, also link to disrespectful posts towards PR and its developers.

[Big Mac 19]

Seriously. Please, just stop posting in this thread unless you have something useful to say.

Speak for yourself bud. You may not find it useful, but others do.