British 3 Rifle Infantry MTP

[da12thMonkey 1943]

@da12th, wow thats excellent! Cheers for finding that! Will have a look at making the needed changes, I take it thats the hybrid DPM on the PALS loops?

Think it's meant to be MTP but the hues are off down to it being printed on a glossy nylon.

Also how exactly does the cummerbund get attatched on the armour? Every photo I see seems to have a different setup for that front section.

The external cummerbund's removable IIRC. You can just velcro the side flaps of the rear panel to the front of the armour but it's not as secure. There's an optional PALS-covered waist panel to cover the velcro on the front of the armour where the two halves of the cummerbund meet when it's fitted. This'll be why the armour looks different in setup.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the cummerbund is attached to the rear part of the armour by hooking onto D-rings around the sides. I've noticed some bods using strapping going from a D-ring on the waist panel to the side panels of the armour to hold the front and back together more securely than just velcroing it.

At the front, the waist panel hangs from the PALS loops on the chest of the armour and velcroed on, the cummerbund halves are velcroed on to the front and then fastex clipped together to hold them securely.

AFAIK with the Mk.4, the external cummerbund is velcroed on, then a flap (like the waist panel) folds over the top (like CIRAS vests and that) so you get the best of both.

[enforcer4100 10]

nice work

[STALKERGB 6]

Right I've pretty much redone the texture on the MTP Assault Osprey, the PALS loops look better now I think, might post a pic later, off to watch CSI :)

@Pathy, I like the idea of having a lead scout, will probably include one!

[PSYCHOSIM 0]

My recommendations for classes.

Rifle Section Level:

Lead Scout (SA80, plenty of grenades)

Section Commander (SA80 & UGL, daysack)

Section 2IC (Same as above)

Rifleman (SA80)

Rifleman (UGL)

Rifleman (M136/ILAW)

LMG Gunner

Platoon Level:

Platoon Commander (SA80, daysack)

Platoon Sergeant (Same)

Signaller

Others:

GPMG gunner

Marksman

Rifleman (Javelin)

Medic

Don't forget the British Army has started issuing Point men with a variant of the M1014 shotgun!

[Stagler 39]

Yea i suggested a Rifleman (M1014). Maybe packing a backpack full of frags and smokes.

[Jonny_LI 10]

Don't forget the British Army has started issuing Point men with a variant of the M1014 shotgun!

Not as standard they haven't, it's a specialist bit of kit in that it's used when the task/terrain dictates. Under most circumstances when it is employed it will be given to the lead scout, but not enough to warrant it becoming a standard loadout for a lead scout.

Also agree with Pathy/Chris with the unit names, you could do with re-naming them in the editor to reflect a propper Section ORBAT.

Hoofing effort though, love the new Screenshots!

[Pathy 0]

But Jonny, thats not what they taught me at the local airsoft center!?!?:butbut:

[PSYCHOSIM 0]

But Jonny, thats not what they taught me at the local airsoft center!?!?:butbut:

Lol, Pathy, your such a funny guy! Just because your an expert on Brit kit, don't tarnish others with your surposed almightly knowledge, I'm ex army, medically discharged, years ago, however I keep tabs on MOD kit out of interest as have friends still serving.

Back o/t keep up the great work Stalker.

[Pathy 0]

I'm just kidding around with Jonny, theres no disrespect intended to anyone. Chill out.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Pathy

[Jonny_LI 10]

MD'd? Did they surgically remove your sense of humour? Or were you never issued one? :bounce3:

[PSYCHOSIM 0]

MD'd? Did they surgically remove your sense of humour? Or were you never issued one? :bounce3:

Nah, removed the sense of humour on joining, but that's what makes me good as a cop on civie street lol ;)

[Chris1986 0]

Woot Woot Itz Da Sound Of Da Police

[STALKERGB 6]

Woot Woot Itz Da Sound Of Da Police

Surely thats what the Jamaican Police play every thime they pull someone over! :)

Right well I have finished a full MTP infantry unit, might not be a suprise its going to fulfil the Lead Scout role. Will probably rename the units closer to the proper ORBAT listed in the thread.

I have also added the backpack proxy so all my units can carry backpacks in OA. Ontop of that I have added my own Daysack and Comms Rucksack to the system.

Unlike the BIS rucksacks mine have the straps (for lack of a better name) that go over the shoulder and under the arm.

IIRC did ACE have a problem in A2 when they added the straps on the rucksacks because the proxy could only be defines as one bone from the unit (like spine2 or spine3 etc) so the straps looked out of place when the unit moved about. (Hope that makes sense).

ALSO. My backpacks have a major issue at the moment, they do work fine (so putting ammo in etc) but if you drop the rucksacks I have made or place one on the ground in the editor, you can't actually pick it up again. Normally there is a "take backpack" option but it doesn't come up. I guess there is an extra item that needs to be added to the memory LOD but I have no idea what. Will have to look into it I guess but any help much appreciated.

Anyway, here is a picture of the Lead Scout.

Big Massive Large!

[PSYCHOSIM 0]

Very nice, looking great.........:bounce3:

[Chris1986 0]

Looking mega Stalker!

Any chance of adding in carryable ECM's?

[STALKERGB 6]

ECM's?

Sorry, bit out of touch with acronyms :) whats it stand for?

[hawkey 10]

ECM's -Electronic Counter Measures.

They would be well tasty even just as placeholder.

[Chris1986 0]

ECM's -Electronic Counter Measures.

They would be well tasty even just as placeholder.

Altho i know about them and roughly how they look , im sure da12th could help you out alot more with them ... Im half sure they they have 3 ECM's on a patrol ( green , red , brown ) i think , not sure which is which but im sure someone will be able to help you out more with this .

Would be mega to see/use them in game tho! Units are looking pure sex too btw top notch !

[STALKERGB 6]

certainly a possibility, I'll have to fix this annoying issue I'm having with the backpacks, not being able to pick them up when they are on the ground before I start on anything else :)

[Pathy 0]

Looks hoofing.

[stevevcb 3]

Looking good mate. I just did a little sex wee.

[STALKERGB 6]

Right the massive problem I was having with my rucksacks turned out to be pretty simple in the end :) so hopefully its sorted.

If anyone wants to provide info/picture etc on ECMs then I can have a look at putting them in.

Also a quick Q on the Daysack, in terms of defining its capacity in OA what kind of things could you get in it/is it mainly used for? At the moment I have it with 8 slots available, so 8 mags or 4 satchels and so on... I've set it so that it can't take a weapon, could change this if its needed.

[Chris1986 0]

What was the problem ?

[STALKERGB 6]

What was the problem ?

Well they worked fine and when I added the backpack to the config of my units they were wearing them.

BUT!

If you dropped the backpack (in the gear menu) you couldn't pick it up again, it just sat there on the floor.

Like I say I have sorted this now so it should be completely dealt with!

[Pathy 0]

Also a quick Q on the Daysack, in terms of defining its capacity in OA what kind of things could you get in it/is it mainly used for? At the moment I have it with 8 slots available, so 8 mags or 4 satchels and so on... I've set it so that it can't take a weapon, could change this if its needed.

Good question, and not an easy one. Being a fully paid member of The Internet Army, I am, fortunately, qualified to provide some sort of answer whilst you wait for someone like Jonny to turn up and provide you a slightly more informed one.

Daysacks are typically quite small; mines 35L capacity. To put this into some sort of context, typically you're gonna have warm kit, wet kit, spare batteries for radios, spare ammo, - CWS as well, perhaps, if you're issued it - all shoved into your daysack, plus various other odds and sods such as rations if you're expecting to need 'em. By the time you account for the space taken up by items that simply don't exist or have function ingame, the room you're left with is -not- massive - you're talking a fraction of the overall capacity of the daysack.

So the question comes; do you want to simulate empty daysacks ready to be rammed exclusively with ammo? Or do you want to simulate the room left after a daysack has been loaded with a very typified selection of items, most of which don't exist or have purpose ingame?

The answer to your Q depends very much on what it is you want to achieve! In either case, I think keeping weapons out of daysacks is the right choice.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Pathy