Is arma ... fun?

[Sardaukar17 10]

I started the game back with OFP and have played it through till now. Like many who played OFP and ARMA and then ARMA2 I took a few breaks here and there. What hooked me.. and I really think what can hook you too is the PVP aspect which unfortunately is all but dead with Arma2. When you can take 2 teams and pit them against each other.. When you are playing using all of the tactics and strategies against live players... this game is a wet dream... Eventually you will think to yourself.. "This map would be better if it had this" and you will find yourself learning the scripting aspect and making your own. That is the entire other half of the game for me. I have never made a Map that is played on a large scale but for me and few of my friends it is a good time.

Everyone here talks about the tactics and strategy but Human vs Human beats AI any day of the week and you don't have to worry about Psychic AI.. just clever players. Me and one or two others are starved for some PvP action and maps. If there is a community out there that plays like that LET ME KNOW!!!

[Inkompetent 0]

Doesn't tactics apply to TvT, or what are you saying? o0

[MavericK96 0]

Patience is really the name of this game (other than ArmA2, of course :cool:).

If you are expecting a fast-paced, always action-packed shooter, then you should probably look elsewhere. If you want a realistic virtual combat experience with squad-based gameplay, ArmA2 is your game.

[gambla 10]

A very good question and hard to answer. A "game" should be fun from the beginning but Arma2 is a military sim. You can compare it to a flight sim: At first, learning to fly a plane is hard work but you can already enjoy the realism and great graphics today. The fun comes as soon as you can land the plane safely.

As i started with OFP long ago, and got shot again and again, i thought "wow, this game is about surviving and not killing". The differences of OFP and a shooter became very obvious.

As Maverick just said, patience is very important, it can save your life, and that can sometimes be very hard, same as in real life.

Until today, my success and fun with Arma is to stay alive as long as possible, exploring a huge free open world and the realism.

Have a bit more training and it will be fun !

[ScareCroweb 10]

Doesn't tactics apply to TvT, or what are you saying? o0

In TVT the moment of surprise is nearly impossible to aquire, once in awhile you will however get lucky and surprise an enemy, but basicly your fighting against a 100% aware enemy as your self. That will limit the amount of moves you can do.

In large TVT tournaments you will most of the time find single infantry because nobody is willing to use formations because of the likeliness of getting your whole squad wiped out by one single rifleman or by a single Mg gunner. thats the nature of TVT in Arma unfortunatly, because of the slick nature and nonexcistent layers in which you can hide in real life nature. (And dont try to tell me that the grass is sufficient and the layer in which a guy disappears is sufficient because it is far from reality.) In real life you can hide from enemy and they wont see you even if they walk right next to you, thats why they use dogs in real life btw, to find hiding enemy..

So TVT has mixed experience some are good and some bad. mostly good stuff ofcourse. The excitement of beating another human being is awesome ofcourse. :bounce3:

[andersson 285]

I think one thing that a new player needs to accept is that its not much about "winning" anymore, its about "not loosing". We are so used to force the gameplay forward through many FPS corridors. In this game the smartest solution in many cases is to stay still, retreat or never go there.

I try to have the feeling of immersive "being there". As soon I try to "win" a mission I get shot up. When I accept that Im just one entity of many and not the hero I start to have fun. Then its all about a world where I can live out situations without getting killed for real!

[Inkompetent 0]

In TVT the moment of surprise is nearly impossible to aquire, once in awhile you will however get lucky and surprise an enemy, but basicly your fighting against a 100% aware enemy as your self. That will limit the amount of moves you can do.

And how does that mean that tactics can't be used? So a rambo, soloing nut-job will do just as well as a team that actually cooperates, communicates and actually use their brain? Yeah, riiiiiight.

[Zipper5 74]

So a rambo, soloing nut-job will do just as well as a team that actually cooperates, communicates and actually use their brain? Yeah, riiiiiight.

Depends on the caliber of the player. I know a couple competitive Arma 2 PvP players who could bring an opposition of 30 players to their knees if they really tried. ;)

[ScareCroweb 10]

And how does that mean that tactics can't be used? So a rambo, soloing nut-job will do just as well as a team that actually cooperates, communicates and actually use their brain? Yeah, riiiiiight.

What the hell is wrong with you man, I have never said that tactics cant be used, as a matter of fact I have personnally been in charge of a small squad and brought down triple that many to their knees, in many engagements in a pvp tournament called ic-arma, and later in CF-Arma do you think we did that by implementing Rambo nuts tactics?. as a matter of fact you cant describe tactics using words like rambo and nuts. I do believe you are referring to someone elses post. I never said that tactics cant be used I only said it will limit your options somewhat, but never have i said that real life tactics cant be applied. you must be dreaming or seeing things man. :j:

And i support Zippers statement too I've seen Solo pvp players working through ranks of oposing forces slashing them down one by one even though the oposition were using real life tactics and they fell because of that. Ramboing tactics is actually a valid tactic sometimes.. ;)

And another thing I've seen several episodes when real life tactics fail against a well prepared solo gamer because "real life tactic"Players tend to bunch up together alot and one or two well placed grenades takes care of entire squads because of this.. now can you tell me that these tactics are good enough for TvT, i'd say no f* way

Edited May 9, 2010 by ScareCroweb

[Lal 10]

One question. What does TvT stand for?

[Zipper5 74]

Team vs. Team.

[Inkompetent 0]

And another thing I've seen several episodes when real life tactics fail against a well prepared solo gamer because "real life tactic"Players tend to bunch up together alot and one or two well placed grenades takes care of entire squads because of this.. now can you tell me that these tactics are good enough for TvT, i'd say no f* way

Real life tactics in-game, if followed too strictly, are indeed suicide. However your earlier posts sounded like using tactics was a stupid man's action, while my point is that if a team of equally skilled players meet, and one team think and uses tactics, and one team just solo gung-ho the opponents, then the latter team is very unlikely to win. And that is a thing that makes ArmA awesome, since it is more prevalent than in for example CoD:MW where individual reflex and aim-skill to a huge degree can compensate for lacking brain-activity.

[Alex72 1]

Thinking of ARMA and with equally skilled players it will be hard for the solo-man. If they are all about the same skill then there will be "rambos" in a group vs one single rambo. The well oiled team can split up for example and move in on the solo-man's location from 2 directions and they communicate where more minds bringing fresh tactics ideas on the move. Speaks for itself who's drawn the shorter straw here. But hey, we can all get lucky. :)

However discussing this serves no real purpose since we all have different ideas of whats best. And when we have our minds set its usually hard to change that, and thus the discussion goes on and on and on, and finally tears break out when infractions are given cause someone lost his/hers temper. :D

A fitting final word could be that in ARMA you can play so many different roles, scenarios and situations that in some of them ramboing could be better, but for the most part good teamwork should get you further. Remember in this game you can create any type of missions so there is room for both, and some!

[ScareCroweb 10]

Real life tactics in-game, if followed too strictly, are indeed suicide. However your earlier posts sounded like using tactics was a stupid man's action, while my point is that if a team of equally skilled players meet, and one team think and uses tactics, and one team just solo gung-ho the opponents, then the latter team is very unlikely to win. And that is a thing that makes ArmA awesome, since it is more prevalent than in for example CoD:MW where individual reflex and aim-skill to a huge degree can compensate for lacking brain-activity.

Now that my good friend is something we can agree on,; "A team that uses tactics and Thinks can win over a team that does only one of the two.

See thats a part that sometimes is easy to forget, to think, but then again the one who thinks and not uses tactics he will fail.. literally speaking he who fails to react will surely fail, but the one who can combine fast thinking with fast action he will indeed become victorius.

Basicly what I am saying is if a team is only concerned with real life tactics and formations without really thinking then they will fall to someone who is using common sense (thinking) and quick descisions (tactics) like a real soldier/Officer would do...

[Suchy_ 10]

The OP is right about commanding the AI squad. Indeed jumping through the menus in pain in the ass, especially in combat situation when you want to give orders quickly. There is a solution though - use a speech recognition tool that allows mapping voice commands to keyboard strokes. Instead of hitting the keys frantically, you just say "all hold fire", "6 heal", "8 return to formation", etc.

Here's a vid I made, playing a custom mission and using PiLfIuS to command my team:

But the real fun is in multiplayer, I've also uploaded some coop vids so you can check my channel.

Edited May 10, 2010 by Suchy_

[Sardaukar17 10]

Doesn't tactics apply to TvT, or what are you saying? o0

Yes of course tactics apply in TvsT!! That is the best part of the game. But in regards to what some of these guys are saying it all depends on the map as well.

A map that just pits 5 players with guns verse 5 players with guns on an open field would be rather pointless. But objective based maps where a team has to capture and hold verse another team, or a convoy map where one team has to deliver a vehicle to a destination on the map like that old Convoy map in OFP. Or even just a standard CTF map that includes some of the vehicles and aircraft Arma has to offer can be fun

[Michael Withstand 10]

Have you tried OFP: Dragon Rising.

I've had lots of fun with it

But decided to get ARMA 2 still because I'm addicted with anything realistic.

[Zipper5 74]

Have you tried OFP: Dragon Rising.

I've had lots of fun with it

I wouldn't recommend mentioning that game on these forums, especially when you keep the OFP part of it in the name. :p

[Bulldogs 10]

Not to rehash too much on what's already been said, but just try out the singleplayer scenarios, borrow a friends joystick for flying (it's 100x better) and give it a full go. It gets a lot more fun once you get into the mentality and tactics of the game, but if that doesn't interest you then it probably won't grow on you.

But the feeling of carrying out some strong tactics and surviving an onslaught is like the intensity you get from a good action FPS coupled with the rush of getting in the zone of a chaotic RTS.

The game really does grow on you if you let it.

[ScareCroweb 10]

I wouldn't recommend mentioning that game on these forums, especially when you keep the OFP part of it in the name. :p

What is your problem Zipper are you a forum police or do you own this place or something? you keep telling people not to mention this other games name, are you trying to score some points with the owners or something, are they paying you for this or what? or is it just postwhoring? anyway its not intresting to read it so stop it :j:

[Zipper5 74]

Denote the :p emoticon, ScareCrow. 'Tis the best way of getting "I'm joking around" across on the internet.

But some things never change, eh? ;)

[MavericK96 0]

What is your problem Zipper are you a forum police or do you own this place or something? you keep telling people not to mention this other games name, are you trying to score some points with the owners or something, are they paying you for this or what? or is it just postwhoring? anyway its not intresting to read it so stop it :j:

In all fairness, that game is awful and definitely a disgrace to the name of OFP if nothing else.

[Bulldogs 10]

I think that's why Zipper said not to mention it. Because it'll turn into another thread about that game and get locked, as we've already had a marathon thread about it.

In other words, back on topic please.

[Infam0us 10]

Have you tried OFP: Dragon Rising.

Ban Him!

[Scrub 0]

forgot the ;) .... or did you?? :p