Very Unprofessional Assassins

[JCarter 10]

WOW

... excuse me while I go kick myself for reading all 25 pages.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The plausable deniability of the Dubai Assasination continues to unravel with the news that Uri Bodsky has lost his case against extradition from Poland to Germany.

Poland: Suspect in Dubai Killing Ordered Extradited to Germany

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: July 7, 2010

An Israeli man suspected of involvement in the killing of a Hamas official will be extradited to Germany, a Polish court ruled Wednesday. The suspect, Uri Brodsky, left, who was arrested in Poland last month, is accused by Germany of spying and helping to falsely obtain a German passport used in connection with the killing. Mr. Brodsky is believed to be an agent of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, which is widely assumed to be behind the killing of the Hamas official, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, in Dubai in January. The court ruled that Mr. Brodsky could be extradited for forgery...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/08/world/europe/08briefs-Poland.html

As allways follow the link to the original text and the full story

Kind Regards walker

Edited July 8, 2010 by walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

The Damage to Israel Intelligence from the ill thought out Dubai assassination continues to mount, with several more of the Mossad's cover companies and assets blown.

Published 09:40 31.07.10

Latest update 09:40 31.07.10

Report: U.S. companies transferred funds to suspects in Dubai hit

Assassins of Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh may have exploited U.S. internet firms to mask funding for hit, Wall Street Journal reports.

By Haaretz Service

Investigators in the United States probing the assassination of a senior Hamas official have drawn links between U.S. companies and suspects in the case, bringing them closer to identifying them, according to an American press report Saturday.

The findings show U.S. authorities playing a great role in the probe than previously revealed, the Wall Street Journal reported...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-u-s-companies-transferred-funds-to-suspects-in-dubai-hit-1.305096

As always follow the link to the original text and story

A little digging finds that Elance is an Israeli Defense subcontractor and that Rentacoder nee VWorker has an awful lot of Israeli Employees and is owned by Exhedra Solutions, Inc and its CEO is Ian Ippolito but its investors come from where?

Hamas Probe Leads to American Firms

By CHIP CUMMINS in Dubai and EVAN PEREZ in Washington

American investigators, cooperating in a probe of the January assassination of a top Palestinian leader in Dubai, have identified a handful of U.S.-based companies believed to have been used to transfer money to suspects in the case, a finding that brings international authorities closer to identifying who funded the operation.

The findings show American authorities playing a bigger role in the investigation than previously revealed. The case is especially delicate for the U.S., because Dubai police have said their prime suspect in the case is Mossad, the intelligence service of Israel, a key U.S. ally...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703314904575399091233047622.html

As always follow the link to the original text and story

It seems that these virtual companies are being used to circumvent US money laundering regulations the same as Payoneer.

The fact that the Mossad's modus operandi (MO) has been so comprehensively discovered as a result of this operation is probably the key reason the head of the Mossad is being sacked. The use of virtual companies like this is very stupid as they are easily tracked and identities and IP's ownership user-ship are easily traced. The failure to use proper cut offs between Israel and the cover companies also removes all possibility of plausible deniability.

The discovery of Payoneer alone is said to have netted the Mossads foes tens more Israeli agents who acted as staff for it and provided a money trail straight to the Mossad's door.

Kind Regards Walker

Edited July 31, 2010 by walker

[GoOB 0]

Despite the criticisms and rants of many in this thread about conclusions and or analysis made by yourself, I'd like to say thank you for keeping us updated on this, Walker. It is a very interesting series of events.

[walker 0]

Hi all

A person claiming to be the real Uri Brodsky has turned up in San Fancisco, he is an Israeli living in the US.

The Article is in hebrew.

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/119/407.html

As always follow the link to the original text

The other Uri Brodsky, the one in Poland is to appeal his extradition to Germany today for Identity theft in the case of Michael Bodenheimer.

It seems all the leads in this case now point to Israel.

Kind Regards walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

The appeal by Uri Brodsky not to be extradited has been refused. He is to be sent to Germany for trial with in ten days.

Poland to extradite alleged Mossad agent to Germany over Dubai mur

AFP August 06, 2010 1:43AM

A POLISH court has upheld a decision to extradite an alleged Mossad agent to Germany over claims he was linked to the January assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai.

"The appellate court has upheld the decision of the court of first instance ruling in favor of the extradition based on a European warrant," a judge at the Warsaw-based court told reporters.

Uri Brodsky, an Israeli citizen wanted by Berlin for allegedly obtaining a German passport under false pretenses, is to be handed over to Germany within 10 days, the judge said...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/poland-to-extradite-alleged-mossad-agent-to-germany-over-dubai-murder/story-e6frf7jx-1225901883166

The trial will expose yet more of the Mossad's tradecraft as the fraudulent ID theft of Michael Bodenheimer is examined.

Kind Regards walker

[Daddl 10]

He'll not be accused of espionage, tho, and might get away with a fine.

[walker 0]

Hi all

As expected "Uri Brodsky" has been extradited to Germany.

Poland extradites Israeli 'agent' to Germany

12 August 2010 Last updated at 17:29

Poland has extradited to Germany a suspected Israeli agent wanted in connection with the killing of a Hamas commander in Dubai, officials say.

Uri Brodsky, an Israeli citizen, faces charges relating to the forging of a passport allegedly used in January by the killers of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

The UAE believes Israel's intelligence agency, Mossad, was involved, though Israel insists there is no proof.

Mr Brodsky was arrested in Poland in June on a warrant issued by Germany.

The warrant accused him of espionage, though the court that granted the extradition said he could only be prosecuted for alleged forgery of a German passport believed to have been used by one of the assassins...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10957922

As always follow the link to the full original text

"Uri Bodsky's" extradition was on the charge of Fraud but this does not prevent other charges being laid against him, contrary to some opinions voiced in the media.

Kind Regards walker

Edited August 13, 2010 by walker
forgot to include link!

[walker 0]

Hi all

Germany has freed Uri Brodsky on bail and say he is free to travel and return to Israel if he wants until the trial takes place.

German judge sets alleged Israeli spy suspected in Hamas slaying free on bail

By The Associated Press (CP) – 9 minutes ago

BERLIN — Prosecutors say an alleged Israeli spy wanted in connection with the slaying of a Hamas leader in Dubai earlier this year has been set free on bail by a German judge.

Cologne prosecutors' spokesman Rainer Wolf said after a closed-doors hearing Friday that the suspect known as Uri Brodsky is free to travel wherever he wants to go while judicial proceedings against him in Germany will continue.

He said: "He can return to Israel today if he wants to." ...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gtxwNBYe9VZAdMYq68jF8svgB47Q

As always follow the link to the original text

Kind Regards walker

[eble 3]

Hi all

Germany has freed Uri Brodsky on bail and say he is free to travel and return to Israel if he wants until the trial takes place.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gtxwNBYe9VZAdMYq68jF8svgB47Q

As always follow the link to the original text

Kind Regards walker

well I think everyone saw that coming to be honest with the German Bias towards Israel, they were always going to make this problem disappear.

We won't be seeing this Mr Brodsky again, well not using that passport anyway :)

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Is this really an "unprofessional" job? Let's assume Mossad ordered and organized the hit. They have proven that they are willing to take out a target in the open and regard their assets as expendable. This has achieved two things:

1) Target is dead

2) Other potential targets are now even more scared of Mossad than they were before.

To be honest, Mossad scare the shit out of me... They're mental.

[walker 0]

Is this really an "unprofessional" job? Let's assume Mossad ordered and organized the hit. They have proven that they are willing to take out a target in the open and regard their assets as expendable. This has achieved two things:

1) Target is dead

2) Other potential targets are now even more scared of Mossad than they were before.

To be honest, Mossad scare the shit out of me... They're mental.

Hi TechnoTerrorist303

It amazes me that people still paint this as a Mossad success. When all the evidence and results are that it was a massive Mossad failure.

Even the Israeli Governement think so! And are removing the head of the Mossad as a result.

Potential targets and enemies of Israel are not frightenend by this ineptitude they are laughing at the Mossad because they now know they can be so easily fooled.

Feed the Mossad its own beliefs and you can lead it around like a donkey following a carrot.

For some reason the Mossad, and its current batch of political masters, seem never to have gained, or perhaps to have lost, the ability to see the world though its enemies eyes. In the intelligence game, when you can not see how your enemy sees things, and they still understand what you see; why then you have lost. For they are still covert, and you are not!

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Was a worm on a hook

A man dying of cancer looking for one last hurrah against his sworn enemy. The bait in a well thought out plan to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on the Mossad. The Mossad did not know this.

Mossad was tricked into killing Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

Here is the evidence

A) The Target was Dying of Cancer, we get this from the Pre Written Original Obituary report from his former organisation (not the organisation that was current at the time of his death and who he supposedly went to Dubai for) and that they past on that information within 24 hours of the report of his death and before his new organisation could counter it and prevent the fact of his long term illness leaking into the news:

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=255640

The Mossad did not know this.

B) I also point out he booked his ticket over the Internet in his own name knowing it would show up on Mossad’s surveillance and also as was reported by the Dubai Police that he travelled on his own passport:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587044,00.html?test=latestnews

Also reported in the Jerusalem Post and various other Israeli News papers, as well as the Western media and Gulf news papers:

C) Most of those same articles also point out: he talked to his family in Gaza about the trip over the phone knowing their phone lines were tapped by the Mossad as does this one from the UAE.

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100131/FOREIGN/701309828/1002

D) That he had arranged for his wife to phone him at that hotel at a specific time as was reported by the Dubai Police as being the trigger for the hotel staff to break in to his hotel. Thus specified a time line when Mossad could kill him.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1146911.html

E) In all the videos, this experienced agent of Hamas with three previous attempts on his life by Israel successfully beaten and supposedly training in counter surveillance from nation states; he the target employed no counter surveillance what so ever:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dubaisesslon&annotation_id=annotation_425824

F) The target also traveled without his usual bodyguards, despite at least three previous attempts to assassinate him by Israel:

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100131/FOREIGN/701309828/1002

G ) The discovery that the two Palestinian Mossad assets, turn out to be, a former Gaza FATA PA Policeman who’s family is still in Gaza and had been living in exile in Dubai after being accused of being a Mossad spy. And then his Brother who has been living in Gaza until recently, suddenly turns up and joins him to suddenly also become a Mossad asset, all a short while before the Target conveniently presents himself.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7034183.ece

H) Then after the event the Two Palestinian Mossad assets are the only ones captured within 24 hours mind you, there is no film of them and they are scooted away to the UAE. There is much confusion about this where both FATA and Hamas say they are members of the opposite group.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7034183.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

That incedent should have rung alarm bells thoughout the Mossad. They were arrested for the murder before the murder had been discovered! Which means those who arrested them new the operation was taking place!

I) And then the evidence was gathered and released in a controlled fashion by an impeccable witness. Using Dubai to conduct, what IMHO was a counter Mossad operation; was a master stroke. Most of the leg work could be done by electronic means and by a western trained police force.

J) The indisputable fact that Dubai police in the speed it reacted to a single assassination; beat both the US FBI, CIA, NSA and police in the speed it got information on the 9/11 suspects; and MI5 and Scotland Yard on the London 7/7 bombing suspects; yet this remarkable feat has never been remarked on by anyone.

I give no evidence for this last point but ask for you to examine your own credulity on the matter.

IMHO the Dubai Police have been fed the evidence to suit another parties needs.

Now let us look at the results:

Tactical moves by the Mossad that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Kill the Target [√]

2) Escape the Country [√]

Strategic moves by the Mossad that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Maintain Mossad’s targeted killings strategy. [√]

2) Maintain political deniability [X]

3) Use the “policy of ambiguity†to supplement political deniability while hinting at implacable state retribution [X]

Tactical moves by the force Inimical to Israel that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Choose the time and location on which the operation will take place. [√]

2) Control and pollute the Mossad intelligence stream. [√]

3) Gather detailed intelligence and records of Mossad’s methods, Tradecraft and cover companies like Payoneer. [√]

4) Negate all the agents involved, including those at the cover companies now named in the US, Germany, Austria and Switzerland, as well as busting those cover companies, even the agents and assets not identified by Dubai police are now useless, you cannot be sure the other side has not got the identities of those that are not named. [√]

5) Conduct a successful counter operation to a Mossad targeted killing operation. [√]

6) Create a Hamas martyr from a man who was dying anyway [√]

7) Control the release of information for maximum effect [√]

Strategic moves by the force Inimical to Israel that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Isolate Israel from Dubai by luring Mossad into action on Dubai’s Soil. [√]

2) Isolate Israel from Allies by filming the whole event and capturing Israel’s use of Allies Passports.[√]

Mossad’s habit of cloning passports from not unfriendly nations has a long history and was a predictable aspect. 25 year ago it caused a big problem when UK passports were used and Israel was forced to promise not to do it any more. Ditto the poison in the ear the use of Canadian passports, and the more recent New Zealand passports case where New Zealand withdrew all senior diplomatic relations. Israeli Governments have fallen in the past as a result of less than this. IMHO this time it is worse as several nations are affected at the same time.

3) Get Mossad and Israel castigated by the whole world, such that Ambassadors get quizzed and carpeted. [√]

4) Tarnish the reputation of Mossad by making them appear Amateurish [√]

5) Reduce public Trust of Mossad within Israel. [√]

6) Cause Mossad’s trust of its assets to be knocked and questioned within Mossad. [√]

7) Mossad’s targeted killings operation gets called into question and possibly put on hold. [√]

8 ) Cause Israel to suffer sanctions and costs at the hands of formerly friendly nations.[√] I have now ticked this box as it is obviously achieved

9) Reduce Israel’s international political capital at a strategic moment in time. [√] I am suspicious that this was timed to reduce the political capital at a time to suit Iran's nuclear ambitions. At the very least it seems to be sychronised with other actions to create a negative view of Israel.

Conclusion

Like I said IMHO Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Was a worm on a hook. A man dying of cancer looking for one last hurrah against his sworn enemy. The bait in a well thought out plan to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on The Mossad.

You could argue that a portion or indeed all of those strategic and tactical elements were accidental and not intended but their effect remains the same Mossad the supposed ultra spies have been beaten and suffered catastrophic strategic damage of the type we see today. And Israel's political capitol has been reduced.

As I pointed out earlier I believe this event may be a well orchestrated plan, along with other operations feeding the Mossad and the Current Israeli government a warped understanding of its political and intelligence environment, based on its own misconceptions and prejudices; never give a sucker an even break as they say. IMHO in order to lead Israel into other precipitous action in various tactical spheres, at each stage reducing Israels's strategic political capitol for puppose of achieving higher strategic goals.

I am sure everyone who has not stuck blinkers on their eyes, can also see this as well. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Kind Regards walker

Edited August 14, 2010 by walker

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

I am sure everyone who has not stuck blinkers on their eyes, can also see this as well. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

It is also true that those who look too hard begin to see things that are not there. ;)

[niall0 10]

J) The indisputable fact that Dubai police in the speed it reacted to a single assassination; beat both the US FBI, CIA, NSA and police in the speed it got information on the 9/11 suspects; and MI5 and Scotland Yard on the London 7/7 bombing suspects; yet this remarkable feat has never been remarked on by anyone.

Walker Texas Ranger, please... as you have just said, the hamas fella baited him self up good and proper, making it very very easy for it to be recorded. Yet you say it was a better success for the Dubia coppers.

Terror attacks, they blow them selves up. Leaving no evidence, just some phone calls, phone videos ect. and a few black boxes from the planes. Yet, the FBI/CIA/NSA knew pretty sharpish it was Al-Qaeda, as did the English coppers. Al Qaeda even admitted it. Furthermore, i think it was little after a week, if that, that pictures of the 7/7 bombers will all over the papers and TV.

All in all, in my awfully written arguement I am saying the scale, evidence and all the jazz was vastly different, in fact near enough incomparable to compare the two.

My question to you though, if Hamas' plan was so devious how comes E-Sherlock Holmes could work it out? Mr Watson give you some help?

[walker 0]

Hi niall0

I do not think the plan was at all devious in fact from the very first post of this thread I thought the Mossad in particular the agent who ran the operation was amateur. It says so in the thread title.

All of the points I mentioned from B) to G) were within the Mossad's purview. One of them on its own could be ignored but Six of them all falling in to their lap should have rang alarm bells in the planning stage.

And from then on they should have been looking to check for point A)

Points H to J and point A) are all confirmatory.

If I could spot that points B) to G) were odd and indicative of a trap within 9 days of being aware of the assassination just by searching the Internet; then any professional agent with access to a team of professional researchers and analysts, worth their salt should have spotted them too. Heck it should be part of their SOP.

Like I said from the start the operation in particular its planning was amateurish. It is worth noting that many public analysts and even former Mossad agents came to the same conclusion. The Mossad got lead up the garden path by the nice man with sweeties to show him her knickers.

IMHO I do not think it was Mahmoud al-Mabhouh or Hamas who came up with the plan.

I think some one heard he was dieing of cancer and said to him you can serve the cause even in your death.

Maybe even fed him the suicide/martyr bomber spiel you get nty something inexperienced women to screw and full access to imaginary land and the thanks of the snake oil salesman who thought up our imaginary friend and a special mention in our imaginary friends big imaginary book. See it says so here in the snake oil salesman's book of the imaginary friend.

Who it was who thought up the plan and encouraged him to participate we do not know because unlike the Mossad these people were covert.

I dare say it was some one in a nation state. The person who ran the operation is well educated. Knows their Sun Szu and Machiavelli. I think they rose to power during the Lebanon Israel war which I think they thought up the plan for though probably did not run the battles, it has their MO all over it. Feed the Mossad and Israeli government a warped understanding of its political and intelligence environment, based on its own misconceptions and prejudices.

This person's Modus Operandi is:

Choose the ground.

Choose Israel's objectives for it make them seem reachable while ensuring they are not.

Cause Israel to over reach and stumble.

Cause Israel to be predictable by encouraging it rely on it past strategies and tactics.

Encourage Israel to underestimate its enemy.

Encourage Israel to overreact.

Ensure Israel fails to see the political consequences.

Work toward strategic goals.

They did this by pushing Israel's buttons.

I think the same person ran probably three operations against the Mossad and Israel that I have seen.

Israel's attack on the Lebanon.

Israel's assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

Israel's attack on the Gaza convoy.

I am suspicious that the CIA asset Amiri turned Iranian double agent was by the same person.

I do not think the recent hedge cutting incident was the same person but it may indicate that this person's influence in teaching others to think strategically and that, that mind set is taking hold.

So what county is this person based in?

Well as I said they are being covert. I suspect Iran but I am not certain.

Kind Regards walker

Edited November 13, 2010 by walker

[johncage 30]

Seriously, you should stop watching spy movies and come back to reality.

[Daddl 10]

well I think everyone saw that coming to be honest with the German Bias towards Israel, they were always going to make this problem disappear.

We won't be seeing this Mr Brodsky again, well not using that passport anyway :)

The problem is, at the moment he's not accused of any severe crimes (note: the man extradited to Germany is currently not accused of espionage or of having taken part in the murder - only of having helped someone to obtain a passport under false pretense). As he already spent time in jail in Poland and will only have to pay a fine for what he did anyways, why should he stay in prision or even be confined to staying in Germany?

[ben_s 11]

The CCTV really shows them being quite nervous, whilst the act was carried out well, they were far from professionals.

And, why do threads like these always end up being totaly off-topic :S

[abs 2]

why do threads like these always end up being totaly off-topic :S

Welcome to the off-topic forum.

Abs

[pviera11 10]

If the whole point was to shove a needle in this guy, and make it look like a heart attack. Why would you need more then 1 person?

Its not like he had guards, all the assassin would have to do is steal the card or key for the door or pic lock it(etc.) then go in, and stick the guy with the needle. You don't need over 5 guys to do it. What would have been easier is to have just pulled up on the guy, and shot him in his car, or whatever he was traveling in.

[ben_s 11]

Yeah, but loud gunshots, fast moving car getaways, and a dead body in a street with lots of screaming people kinda attracts some attention.

[Pathy 0]

I would have done it by sliding down a Bannister Rail on my chest, spraying with an Uzi in each hand. I'd have then blackflipped out the 3rd floor window to have made my getaway, into the waiting speedboat (crewed by exotic supermodels).

Thats how professional assassins roll.

Edited August 20, 2010 by Pathy

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

I would have done it by sliding down a Bannister Rail on my chest, spraying with an Uzi in each hand. I'd have then blackflipped out the 3rd floor window to have made my getaway, into the waiting speedboat (crewed by exotic supermodels).

Thats how professional assassins roll.

No piano wire?

Goddamn, what a fucking noob.

[pviera11 10]

Yeah, but loud gunshots, fast moving car getaways, and a dead body in a street with lots of screaming people kinda attracts some attention.

OK, so anyone could of rented a hotel room next to his or on the same floor, if not on the same floor somewhere in the hotel, snuck out of their room at about 2am, went to his room, broke in, stuck him in the neck with the needle, throw a needle in the trash somewhere, and went upstairs, and went back to sleep. No instead you've got a bunch of people standing in the lobby being a watch out for what? Police? And then they started moving people away from the hotel when they tried to enter, etc. That is screaming that they are doing something suspicious. Sure some of them got away, but they still got all of their faces. Not to mention they are now probably out of future jobs in that field, since the governments would know who to look for.

[ben_s 11]

It would have been easier if someone in a buisness suit with another guy in a suit walked up to door, with the side one stops to stand and guard the door, like any other door guard. Then the other guy walks in, as if on buisness, kills him, walks back out, nods to the guy, they both then walk off as if nothing happened. To a waiting limo (to show empassis on the buisness trip)

Or at least, thats how I would have done it. ;)