Very Unprofessional Assassins

[bangtail 0]

Hi Walker

Thanks. You too. Please don't taser and smother me whilst I sleep.

Kind Regards Pathy.

LOLOLOLOL

Kind regards, Bangtail.

[walker 0]

Hi Walker

Thanks. You too. Please don't taser and smother me whilst I sleep. That would be very unprofessional.

Kind Regards Pathy.

ROFL

Nah Mate not my style

I prefer to push them off a cliff or under the wheels of train or a speeding car.

Be careful crossing the road there.

Kind Regards walker

[katipo66 94]

Awesome thread, highly entertaining... villains and good guys, ups and downs, some funny moments! so much emotion.

And a sex scene!!?

Hi Walker

Thanks. You too. Please don't taser and smother me whilst I sleep. That would be very unprofessional.

Kind Regards Pathy.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Latest news according to both the Iraeli Haaretz News paper and the Jerusalem based Palestinian Maan News; Dubai Police say they have Retinal Scans for the 11 identified assasins.

...Airport officials carried out routine retinal scans on 11 suspects sought by Dubai when they entered the country in the days before the hit. An unnamed Dubai official said on Thursday that the investigation has now widened, with police seeking a further seven members of the assassination team - making 18 in all...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1150754.html

Kind Regards walker

[rksl-rock 1300]

Hi all

I think my opinion and the analysis I have done is no more than any sensible human can make. I think those who argue otherwise are best described in this article for tomorrow's edition of the Israeli News Paper Haaretz

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1150939.html

As always follow the link for the full article

OK Non Secure page version now available.

I think there are a whole bunch of people on this forum with an old fashioned secret squirrel up their arse (to bring the level down to one RKSL-Rock will be happier with)

Hi Walter,

I love the fact that you post a link to an opinion piece similar to your own from an Israeli newspaper as justification for your position. Especially when there are litterally thousands of other news articles out there that remain objective and don't speculate. I mean its not like they don't want to deflect the focus away from them is it?

Anyway following your example I sat down last night and re-examined your evidence and all the supporting facts and came up with an alternative theory with as many facts and opinions as your own.

Some Basic "Facts"

• The known Hamas leader was dying of terminal cancer
  
• He was in Dubai without escort or CP team (note the use of technical jargon and acronyms)
  
• Hamas have a vested interest in undermining Israel in the world community (since 1987)
  

So here's the theory: It wasn't an Israeli operation. It was a Hamas one. He knew he was dying so he volunteered to "take one for the team". One final act of disruption against Israel. Hamas put together an "Amateur team" (a Walker approved fact) and conducted a hit all in clear view of the security cameras and left the country. Leaving plenty of evidence to implicate Mossad and Israel.

Britain, France, Ireland and Germany complain loudly in the worlds media and Israel is embarrassed and damaged in the public eye.

A fanciful idea indeed, except its not different than the conclusion drawn by our very own Walter here.

This is the modern digital age. The idea that analysis is some Military Intelligence black art that only secret Dracula's in their black cloaks can practice is the same unadulterated tosh as this operation showed; with 20 Dollar CCTV cameras from Homebase Buffy the vampire slayer like, hammering the final stake through the secret Dracula's chest in a Dubai Hotel.

(All Purple Prose to make more readable to our younger audience) No insults to any real younger people with a High School Education intended

Any Child with a High School education can perform an analysis of a CCTV film RKSL-Rock and the "VCB Lads" take note, your jobs may be at risk from their competition if you do not understand this.

Oh and any child can sit and watch "Mission Impossible" repeats and think they are an expert on covert operations.

By the way Google and Wikipedia are you friend RKSL-Rock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Kind Regards walker

Yes Walter I know what it means and i didn't even have to google it. Does that mean I am educated beyond high school level? Nor do I feel the constant need to resort to obscure language in my posts to impress and undermine others. I'm quite confident in the facts and my own opinions that i dont need to present myself as something i am not.

Anyway In the course of my re-examination last night I picked up on some interesting facts related to you and your credibility that directly support my argument that you are "Walting it up":

Exhibit A:

I'm, told this actually is you. Please take special note of the bio... "An officer in the Royal Naval Reserve," (I have a PDF copy if anyone wants one)

Yet we have by your very own hand a statement here: Never shot a real gun in my life.

Interesting conflict of info here. Especially since being a member of any reserve unit in the British military requires at least basic weapons training. You see others can take "facts" and statments and drawn conclusions.

As I'm sure you remember from previous conversations, I know a lot of people who know you and have met you. Their opinions are not too far from my own.

So please don't try to ridicule others when you have no expertise or credible basis other than your own fantasist assumptions to build from. Its not big and its not clever.

Kind Regards Rock

Edited February 19, 2010 by RKSL-Rock
spelling and gramar because i wouldn't want to appear un educated now would I?

[Prydain 1]

He will just ignore what you say, pretend that you think Dracula is a CIA agent or whatever and carry on being a basement detective.

[walker 0]

I'm, told this actually is you. Please take special note of the bio... "An officer in the Royal Naval Reserve," (I have a PDF copy if anyone wants one)

Hi Rock

No that is not me. Who ever told you that is me, is lying to you, do not suppose you would care to divulge your source?

He is considerably younger than me. About 1/2 my age.

I will ask a member of the forum who has met me and l believe you will trust to confirm it is not me.

I am guessing that this is the rumour going round the "VCB Lads" hence their continued anger to me.

Like I say I am just a bod on the forums.

Kind Regards walker

Edited February 19, 2010 by walker

[Scotty Boy 0]

Just like to clarify there is no 'rumour' going around the 'VCB Lads'.

I don't care if your walting or not, I take exception to your know it all attitude.

[walker 0]

Hi all

It was a guess Scotty Boy. And I stated as much. As the whole lot of you "VBC Lads" were the most vociferous posters on the matter and as Rock came up with it, and inferred in other posts he was with you on this and it was his collective noun for you "VCB Lads" you can perhaps see why I would come to that guess.

Getting back on topic.

In one of those strange coincidences.

On the day of the hit there was tweet from Israel's UK Embassy posted a puzzling message on its Twitter account

"You heard it here first: Israeli tennis player carries out hit on Dubai target,"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3851582,00.html

Follow the link for the full story

By the way Rock your description of what may have occurred was one of my list possibilities, if you look back through the posts. Though I thought it more likely that Mossad had been lured into the hit.

I find it hard to believe Hamas could willy nilly arrange to clone the UK passports of Israeli citizens, that would be a serious capability, that I would only ascribe to a Nation State within its own nation.

Kind Regards walker

Edited February 19, 2010 by walker

[eble 3]

this thread gone way off topic and the personal attacks seem somewhat uncalled for.

guess it time for the mods to close it down.

on topic, who the hell knows what really went down, Interpol have those people on a wanted list, guess they won't be taking any overseas holidays on UK/German or whatever passports real soon.

[savagevcb 10]

Perhaps it wasn't mossad, perhaps it was a corporation protecting its research into xenobilogical research. If vwe hear that Weyland and Yutani are merging then I called it. Or perhaps its a mysterious think tank protecting its sordid secrets...

Okay, the boring serious hat on now. You are aware having a humble opinion does not lend weight to your argument. I'm willing to bet I'm smarter than you, based on experimentation, but so are most people, though not humble, this does lend weight to my argument. You want to be taken seriously then lets rock!

To me, this is a professional hit, the kill was silent, and the operatives were able to extract without harming bystanders. Whoever ordered the hit had decided that the political fallout of this Guy getting killed was preferable to him living, and had already worked it all through.

The most... foolish thing is Dubai releasing the info, the best Intel is Intel your enemies don't know you have. By releasing it they have ensured that whoever is connected will most likely change in someway to limit damage.

What you consider a professional hit doesn't exist outside of a movie, there is probably no way to do it without evidence, and even then its risky, most don't come to our attention. This is only on here because Dubai probably paid a news agency to run it as a top story and the others jumped on the bandwagon.

Oh, and this is both an attack and an arguement, so don't ignore me, or I'll use my superior space brain to melt your mind in an untraceable attack.

Edited February 19, 2010 by savagevcb
Editted to remove personal comments I shouldn't be making

[NoRailgunner 0]

Who really think that media (press/internet) is independent? Who really think that intelligence services will show up like that? Of course they could do and say loud "Wherever you bad guys are, we find you - even in a room full of CCTVs!". Guess most of the bad guys are already aware of this. Now, will they be more scared after this "very unprofessional assassination"?

Why should a intelligence service show up like that if they know that their target is dying of terminal cancer?

[Deadfast 43]

Hi all

Latest news according to both the Iraeli Haaretz News paper and the Jerusalem based Palestinian Maan News; Dubai Police say they have Retinal Scans for the 11 identified assasins.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1150754.html

Kind Regards walker

Oh god, now they are seriously screwed!

I just hope they don't have the habit of leaving eyes behind wherever they live.

[walker 0]

...Why should a intelligence service show up like that if they know that their target is dying of terminal cancer?

Hi NoRailgunner

Who said the Israel's Mossad new he was dieing of cancer?

We know his former organisation (not the organisation current at the time of his death) had his Obituary ready and sent it off to the Palestinian Jerusalem based Maan News within 24 hours of his death being announced.

If you know of an Israeli news source that new before his death that he was dieing of cancer that would be useful. I am doing a search on that now; but I have turned up nothing so far.

The significance of his cancer along with the disappearance of his close protection, and his failure to employ any counter surveillance techniques; leads to two possible scenarios:

Scenario A)

The possibility that a party inimical to Israel ran the whole operation to smear Israel. As Rock described it. In which case it shows an extremely high level of sophistication; of a level that requires a nation state of the highest capability. It also means Israeli Security is bust wide open enough that foreign agents can break willy nilly into the houses of virtually any Israeli; steal their passports, clone them, and return them without them knowing. This unknown agency was there for some time executing this plan. Further that said unknown agency has the capability to pick those Israelis so must have a database of suitable candidates, so as to cause maximum damage, in which case I am surprised one or more US passports were not chosen. While I entertain the scenario I think it unlikely and requires Mossad to have virtually fallen apart, for a foreign agency to run such an operation within Israel.

Scenario B)

The possibility that a party inimical to Israel lured Mossad into attacking an already dieing man looking for that thing Muslim Jihadis look for a "martyrs death" silly numbers of inexperienced virgins crap etc. They decide to lay the trap in the most CCTV-ed country in the world. This means they get a world class Police service from a Non Radical and there for trust worthy nation to do most of the observation for them. They decide the time and place to conduct the operation. They give Mossad a short time window this makes spotting the incoming agents easier. They have past Mossad operations to go on.

They encapsulate the Mossad inputs, provide a source of the targets movements, probably supply additional information to cement the sources status. One or more of the Palestinian Mossad assets who were caught or any Palestinian asset who was not caught could easily be a double agent who is feeding Mossad the scent while identifying the inbound agents. Heck source might be genuine but being fed they information, that is the simplest and does not require the source to lie. Why the source could even be electronic, a discovered one or one allowed to be found.

They place a cordon round the Mossad. Perhaps with Dubai's help? Motivation for Dubai is they do not like Mossad's targeted killings. Those observing in Dubai are not doing anything suspicious or illegal they are just gathering the evidence, it is completely passive, so it does not need Dubai's active support and is unlikely to raise their ire. They just note which CCTV cameras spot each of the Mossad agents and at what time. I would look to see if any of the CCTV at any of the locations cameras got a recent free service and upgrade.

The level of sophistication is considerably lower than the alternative of spying and conducting operations within Israel. The watchers do not have to observe tightly the whole time unlike Mossad surveillance team. In the main they just note which CCTV camera they have just passed. About six agents per major hotel plus a couple at the target hotel and an airport team possibly using airport and or passport staff.

Mossad has started to believe its own myths so they will not think they are under observation if they are after the target and only the target matters they will be focused inwardly toward the target. In this way they encapsulate the Mossad team and its activities.

They let them carry out their operation.

And slowly start to feed Dubai police the answers

The Results

In both scenarios the results are the same:

Tactical

Mossad goes home and congratulates them selves. The target is dead they got away with it all Israelis out of the country. Sure some Palestinian assets got caught but they don't count.

A Tactical Victory!

Strategy

The film comes out,

i) All the agents even the ones not identified by Dubai police are now useless, you cannot be sure the other side has not got those identities that are not named.

ii) Dubai is turned against Israel

iii) Mossads habit of cloning passports from not unfriendly nations has a long history and was a predictable aspect. 25 year ago it caused a big problem when UK passports were used and Israel was forced to promise not to do it any more, Ditto the poison in the ear Canadian passports, and the New Zealand passports. Israeli Governments have fallen in the past as a result of less than this. IMHO this time it is worse as several nations are affected at the same time.

iv) Mossads targeted killings operation gets called into question and probably put on hold.

v) If we are talking scenario A), the one described by Rock, then Mossad's opposition are using Mossads own ambiguity strategy against them, a truly sophisticated, dare I say brilliant stratagem. I dont think strategy A) is likely myself but it is a possibility.

vi) Mossad and Israel get castigated by the whole world, Ambassadors get quizzed and carpeted.

vii) Israel suffers sanctions and costs at the hands of formerly friendly nations.

vii) Mossads image is tarnished. Its public trust decreased. Probaly takes a knock to its morale and spends time writing reports and reviews trying to find out what went wrong. Trust in assets is knocked and questioned.

ix) Hamas gets a martyr from a man who was dieing anyway

A Strategic Failure.

Kind Regards walker

Edited February 20, 2010 by walker

[somebloke 0]

This just in...the sky is Red.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

The target is dead. A pretty low-profile target at that; not a head of state of any country that matters, at least.

CCTV in in this day & age will be everywhere, but you can't do much even with this footage.

As for Dubai - the place is a shithole & Israel will call their bluff if the need arises.

But I do like you theorist folks.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Another block of evidense has apeared supporting scenario B)

...GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- A Hamas legislator says a member of the Islamic militant movement assassinated during a visit to Dubai put himself at risk by booking his trip through the Internet.

Hamas legislator Salah Bardawil also told a news conference Saturday that the slain man, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, also took a risk by informing his Gaza family by telephone at which hotel he would be staying...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022001272.html

As always follow the link to get the full context and to read the original article

A quick reminder of the scenarios.

...We know his former organisation (not the organisation current at the time of his death) had his Obituary ready and sent it off to the Palestinian Jerusalem based Maan News within 24 hours of his death being announced.

If you know of an Israeli news source that new before his death that he was dieing of cancer that would be useful. I am doing a search on that now; but I have turned up nothing so far.

The significance of his cancer along with the disappearance of his close protection, and his failure to employ any counter surveillance techniques; leads to two possible scenarios:

Scenario A)

The possibility that a party inimical to Israel ran the whole operation to smear Israel. As Rock described it. In which case it shows an extremely high level of sophistication; of a level that requires a nation state of the highest capability. It also means Israeli Security is bust wide open enough that foreign agents can break willy nilly into the houses of virtually any Israeli; steal their passports, clone them, and return them without them knowing. This unknown agency was there for some time executing this plan. Further that said unknown agency has the capability to pick those Israelis so must have a database of suitable candidates, so as to cause maximum damage, in which case I am surprised one or more US passports were not chosen. While I entertain the scenario I think it unlikely and requires Mossad to have virtually fallen apart, for a foreign agency to run such an operation within Israel.

Scenario B)

The possibility that a party inimical to Israel lured Mossad into attacking an already dieing man looking for that thing Muslim Jihadis look for a "martyrs death" silly numbers of inexperienced virgins crap etc. They decide to lay the trap in the most CCTV-ed country in the world. This means they get a world class Police service from a Non Radical and there for trust worthy nation to do most of the observation for them. They decide the time and place to conduct the operation. They give Mossad a short time window this makes spotting the incoming agents easier. They have past Mossad operations to go on.

They encapsulate the Mossad inputs, provide a source of the targets movements, probably supply additional information to cement the sources status. One or more of the Palestinian Mossad assets who were caught or any Palestinian asset who was not caught could easily be a double agent who is feeding Mossad the scent while identifying the inbound agents. Heck source might be genuine but being fed they information, that is the simplest and does not require the source to lie. **Why the source could even be electronic, a discovered one or one allowed to be found.**

They place a cordon round the Mossad. Perhaps with Dubai's help? Motivation for Dubai is they do not like Mossad's targeted killings. Those observing in Dubai are not doing anything suspicious or illegal they are just gathering the evidence, it is completely passive, so it does not need Dubai's active support and is unlikely to raise their ire. They just note which CCTV cameras spot each of the Mossad agents and at what time. I would look to see if any of the CCTV at any of the locations cameras got a recent free service and upgrade.

The level of sophistication is considerably lower than the alternative of spying and conducting operations within Israel. The watchers do not have to observe tightly the whole time unlike Mossad surveillance team. In the main they just note which CCTV camera they have just passed. About six agents per major hotel plus a couple at the target hotel and an airport team possibly using airport and or passport staff.

Mossad has started to believe its own myths so they will not think they are under observation if they are after the target and only the target matters they will be focused inwardly toward the target. In this way they encapsulate the Mossad team and its activities.

They let them carry out their operation.

And slowly start to feed Dubai police the answers

The Results

In both scenarios the results are the same:

Tactical

Mossad goes home and congratulates them selves. The target is dead they got away with it all Israelis out of the country. Sure some Palestinian assets got caught but they don't count.

A Tactical Victory!

Strategy

The film comes out,

i) All the agents even the ones not identified by Dubai police are now useless, you cannot be sure the other side has not got those identities that are not named.

ii) Dubai is turned against Israel

iii) Mossads habit of cloning passports from not unfriendly nations has a long history and was a predictable aspect. 25 year ago it caused a big problem when UK passports were used and Israel was forced to promise not to do it any more, Ditto the poison in the ear Canadian passports, and the New Zealand passports. Israeli Governments have fallen in the past as a result of less than this. IMHO this time it is worse as several nations are affected at the same time.

iv) Mossads targeted killings operation gets called into question and probably put on hold.

v) If we are talking scenario A), the one described by Rock, then Mossad's opposition are using Mossads own ambiguity strategy against them, a truly sophisticated, dare I say brilliant stratagem. I dont think strategy A) is likely myself but it is a possibility.

vi) Mossad and Israel get castigated by the whole world, Ambassadors get quizzed and carpeted.

vii) Israel suffers sanctions and costs at the hands of formerly friendly nations.

vii) Mossads image is tarnished. Its public trust decreased. Probaly takes a knock to its morale and spends time writing reports and reviews trying to find out what went wrong. Trust in assets is knocked and questioned.

ix) Hamas gets a martyr from a man who was dieing anyway

A Strategic Failure...

I have emboldened with two stars the relevant sentence in the quote above.

With the addition of the two new electronic sources; from a man who was trained in counter surveillance by one or more Nation States and who has avoided death by assassination on at least three previous separate occasions, IMHO the Worm on a hook scenario has now become the most likely one.

It fits in precisely with electronic source point raised in Scenario B)

In fact so much so that I am willing to change my assessment from A Strategic Failure of the Mossad.

I now think this was, for the forces inimical to The Mossad, A Strategic Victory.

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Was a worm on a hook

A man dieing of cancer looking for one last hurrah against his sworn enemy. The bait in a well thought out plan to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on The Mossad.

Kind Regards walker

Edited February 20, 2010 by walker

[Mike84 1]

fruitcake

[walker 0]

fruitcake

Hi Mike84

And you feel the need to say this because?

Kind Regards walker

[5133p39 14]

...

The use of a hotel staff disguise in a CCTV-ed environment was a very high risk tactic.

...

They were disguised as hotel staff members? I mean, really? because all i can see on that CCTV footage, is just a man in dark bussiness suit talking to some other hotel guest - i doubt it whould raise any suspicion of anyone looking at the CCTV at that time?

Maybe i just didn't notice, but did the Dubai police stated somewhere that the assassins (or some of them) were disguised as hotel staff?

I heard only that they said MAYBE the assassins entered the room under false pretence of being hotel staff (which no matter if true, still doesnt say they were disguised).

...i admit, i am not interested in this cause, so i read only one small article about it, so i dont have all the fresh info - maybe they were disguised as hotel staff, but i don't see that from the publicly released CCTV footage.

No disrespect, but it seems to me, your comments are full of your own assumptions, full of guesswork, either you know much more than is publicly "known", or you are too fast to judge everything :)

btw. this is just one example, after reading all the posts, i have no energy left to quote everything.

Edited February 20, 2010 by 5133p39

[Mike84 1]

Hi Mike84

And you feel the need to say this because?

Kind Regards walker

Because starting threads like this, and acting like you're an expert of whatever matter at hand is your way of having fun.

[walker 0]

Hi 5133p39

Allow me to make myself clear.

It was not in my estimation a direct inference of a Hotel Uniform.

Rather that the person was wearing the type of suit say a hotel manager or junior might wear, carrying a clipboard, (a point another poster made as well) and acting the part sufficient to support such a disguise in the target or the passerbys estimation. And by the way I DO NOT think that part was amateurish. As I said I think it was risky. In fact in my estimation that person was the most professional in the team, and I so noted in a previous post.

My Argument for Amateurishness was there was a strategic failure in the operational planning stage; in the choice of location with all its CCTV capabilities thus allowing the whole operation to be captured on on film. (and by the way operational planning is not a secret squirrel only phrase it is also used in business though it comes from the military)

That I am using my own analysis I make make no bones about.

That I have upset a few people who have perhaps done a little technical computer or simulation work for a government that has exposed them to a security clearance perhaps and that thus they have a secret squirrel up their arse. And in that thus they think that gives them a right to be the only source of any estimation and to prevent anyone else from talking about or analysing public news is laughable.

I am just a bod on the forum analysing what I see in the video and what evidence has come to light in public sources and suggesting various scenarios for what has happened.

Just to make it clear

My suspicions were first raised by:

A) The fact of the whole operation being filmed

B) The fact that the target, a senior asset in a multi million dollar organisation that has Nation State Support from multiple nations, despite decades of experience, surviving three previous attempts on his life, normally having a personal protection team, trained in counter surveillance and yet fails to even bother to do the most rudimentary counter surveillance measures.

That suspicion has been increased by the following discoveries reported in the media. Some took place and were reported before the film and some afterwards:

C) The discovery that his previous organisation, not the one he was currently in, had passed to Maan, the Jerusalem based Palestinian Paper, as soon as his death was reported an obituary saying he had died of terminal cancer, meaning his old organisation new he had cancer.

D) The discovery that he had booked his ticket over the Internet in his own name with his own passport.

E) The Fact he traveled on his own passport in his own name.

F) The discovery he phoned his wife in Gaza that has its phones tapped by Israel and states in clear he will be at a certain hotel and the should phone him at a certain time. Thus establishing a tight window in which an act could be carried out.

G) The discovery that the two Palestinian Mossad assets, turn out to be, a former Gaza FATA PA Policeman who's family is still in Gaza and has been living in exile in Dubai after being accused of being a Mossad spy. And then his Brother who has been living in Gaza until recently, suddenly turns up and joins him to suddenly also become a Mossad asset, all a short while before the Target conveniently presents himself.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7034183.ece

H) Then after the event the Two Palestinian assets are the only ones captured within 24 hours mind you, there is no film of them and they are scooted away to the UAE. There is much confusion about this where both FATA and Hamas say they are members of the opposite group

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7034183.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

I) A few days after the film comes out Hamas offers an olive branch to FATA and says lets stop blaming each other for these men, lets be friends. Hamas playing the long game I think.

So the scenario that presents itself is:

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Was a worm on a hook

A man dieing of cancer looking for one last hurrah against his sworn enemy. The bait in a well thought out plan to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on The Mossad.

Kind Regards walker.

Edited February 20, 2010 by walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

The Israelis are very straight forward people.

If your theory suggests that the scumbag died of heart attack with the media coverage is a plot to discredit Israel, then it doesn't matter at all. Europe is going to condemn it? The US? In public, yes; come Iran war, we will be bombing that country together.

Some of the towelheads in Hamas, or any other similar organization will think twice before taking initiative.

Ask the Romans, or any other Empire that was running amok in the region in the past 3.5 thousand years.

P.S. Re-read the post, "to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on The Mossad." I might be underestimating the towelheads in this, but... Jesus wept, strategic trap. :)))))))

Strategic moves are made with a clear goal in mind; any hint of a major op. threatening the State of Israel and you will see sand melt in Iran and total infrastructure annihilation in Palestine and/or Lebanon.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[walker 0]

...P.S. Re-read the post, "to gather intelligence and spring a strategic level trap on The Mossad." I might be underestimating the towelheads in this, but... Jesus wept, strategic trap. :)))))))

Strategic moves are made with a clear goal in mind; any hint of a major op. threatening the State of Israel and you will see sand melt in Iran and total infrastructure annihilation in Palestine and/or Lebanon.

Hi Iroquois Pliskin

I think your reference of "towelheads" shows that you are probably already underestimating Israel's foes.

Actually there are both Tactical aspects and Strategic goals to the moves that Mossad and the party Inimical to Israel have IMHO made.

Tactical moves by Mossad that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

Kill the Target [√]

Escape the Country [√]

Strategic moves by Mossad that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

Maintain Mossad's targeted killings strategy. [√]

Tactical moves by the force Inimical to Israel that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Choose the time and location on which the operation will take place. [√]

2) Control and polute the Mossad intelligence stream. [√]

3) Gather detailed intelligence and records of Mossads methods and Tradecraft. [√]

4) Negate all the agents involved, even the ones not identified by Dubai police are now useless, you cannot be sure the other side has not got the identities of those that are not named. [√]

5) Conduct a successful counter operation to a Mossad targeted killing operation. [√]

6) Create a Hamas martyr from a man who was dieing anyway [√]

7) Control the release of information for maximum effect [√]

Strategic moves by the force Inimical to Israel that I think were made with clear goals in mind were:

1) Isolate Israel from Dubai by luring Mossad into action on Dubai's Soil. [√]

2) Isolate Israel from Allies by filming the whole event and capturing Israel's use of Allies Passports.[√]

Mossads habit of cloning passports from not unfriendly nations has a long history and was a predictable aspect. 25 year ago it caused a big problem when UK passports were used and Israel was forced to promise not to do it any more. Ditto the poison in the ear the use of Canadian passports, and the more recent New Zealand passports case where New Zealand withdrew all senior diplomatic relations. Israeli Governments have fallen in the past as a result of less than this. IMHO this time it is worse as several nations are affected at the same time.

3) Get Mossad and Israel castigated by the whole world, such that Ambassadors get quizzed and carpeted. [√]

4) Tarnish the reputation of Mossad by making them appear Amateurish [√]

5) Reduce public Trust of Mossad within Israel. [√]

6) Cause Mossad's trust of its assets to be knocked and questioned within Mossad. [√]

10) Mossads targeted killings operation gets called into question and possibly put on hold. [√]

11) Cause Israel to suffer sanctions and costs at the hands of formerly friendly nations. [?]

12) Reduce Israel's international political capital at a strategic moment in time. [√]

You could argue that a portion of these strategic and tactical elements were accedental.

Kind Regards walker

Edited February 25, 2010 by walker

[Schancky 10]

All speculation...

Kind Regards schancky

Edited February 21, 2010 by Schancky