Mid east

[bn880 5]

Quote[/b] ]Stop the occupation, get rid of all the settlements, build your wall. Have they tried?

Well that process is underway now i believe. However this will take time. If the terrorist attacks continue this may take allot of time. The wall is a bad idea for the palestinians too. They are going to have to learn to get allong if any peace is going to last and the palestinian state is going to be a prosperous one.

This process, it's going to be complicated beyond belief by the Israelis, it will not take place as it should. As usual. Yes if terrorist attacks continue it will take longer, like forever, don't forget, Israeli Terrorist Forces activity is terrorism too.

The funniest thing in al lthis is the name of the Israeli barbarians, Israeli Defense Forces. Yeah nice defense.

No point calling Hamas attacks acts of terrorism, we know they are, and we know they come from the Israeli occupation, let's expose Israels wrongs for once.

[Jinef 2]

Well Bn880, they both do lot of stuff which is quite acceptable in their stage of development as a body of people.

[Crazysheep 1]

@ June 11 2003,16:53)]

Quote[/b] ]It isn't the act of the suicide bombing per se- it's the target. Can you honestly say that an attack against a metro bus, a pizza parlor, or a nightclub are legitimate targets? I know they're easier to hit than the IDF (have you seen the Pal gunmen who come out to play when the IDF comes around? they get torn up), but they're still intentionally targeting as large concentrations of civilian Israelis as possible.

It appears to be working though....Israel looks like it may have to move out of the west bank and gaza strip, with the peace talks.

[Jinef 2]

But that is because there is a drop in hostilities on Palestine, not much more need for as many troops, it's not because of the bombings, against a country like Israel terrorism doesn't work. Don't misinterpret what i say, i'm not advocating it, just saying that it is a viable option in the Palestinian situation, have some empathy.

[Bernadotte 0]

Explosion on Jerusalem Bus Kills Several

-=Die Alive=-

After 9 years of this, how do you think it can be solved?

[Supah 0]

Well i didn't specify that they wanted peace for both factions, i just said they wanted peace, as in ultimately they want things as they were, settled in their holy land without any intrusions from anyone. Do you think you get rich by blowing yourself up? They are not interested in money or power yet, they are looking at the common goal of getting rid of Israel. People should have noticed that the arabs don't like the Israelis when they launched a huge conventional (their downfall, they should have copied the US and use WMD) war against them.

The world develops at a different rate, this is represented by economics, demographics, social interactions etc. Palestine has lot's of people in it who don't want Israel to exist.

So i thought of the perfect solution, get all the Bibles and historic references and burn them, then rewrite them so Israel is actually described as a cold icy place, say to the Israelis "We've found your holy land, it's called antarctica!" and put them all there. The Israelis can cool off and stop killing people and the Arab states won't have anyone to fight, so they either start another huge war about who gets what in former Israel or they all come together to form one big Arab superstate, we provide them with Nuclear weapons, and we have a 4 power cold war 2, US, Europe, Arab superstate and China. While this is going on we move to Africa and start out trying to stop them killing each other.

Also releasing The Koran SE would be useful, like the new testament, it basically makes Jihad into the liberal version (struggle with self) and defines everything very clearly so there is no mistakes, and make them like the Jewish people as well.

Jinef's problem solving agency

How nice of you to forget all the Palestinian actions and blame this solely on Israel, and you suggest i am misinformed? The people at the top of terrorist organisations are getting very rich out of this. Ever wondered how they finance their holy war? They are not selling girlscout cookies.  

Quote[/b] ]This process, it's going to be complicated beyond belief by the Israelis, it will not take place as it should.  As usual.  Yes if terrorist attacks continue it will take longer, like forever, don't forget, Israeli Terrorist Forces activity is terrorism too.

No you feel it is terrorisme too.  

Quote[/b] ]The funniest thing in al lthis is the name of the Israeli barbarians, Israeli Defense Forces.  Yeah nice defense.

That doesnt exactly make you sound very unbiased. Sure some actions by the IDF are barbaric. But the same goes for suicide bombings.

Quote[/b] ]No point calling Hamas attacks acts of terrorism, we know they are, and we know they come from the Israeli occupation, let's expose Israels wrongs for once.

And the occupation comes from the beginning of the second intifada which came  because the palestinians thought they could impose travel restrictions on Israeli politicians within Israel which didnt turn out that way. In the end both sides have done wrong things but the road to peace isnt going to be an overnight thing and terrorist attacks do not help the process at all. The palestinians know that Israel is going to respond .... it is no more then provocation hoping to sink the peace process. Israel would be wise to not respond but you have to take in to account that sharon is bound to a coalition who wont take that. This is not making it easier for him to stick to the peace plan. Sure he may not really expect to have to implement it based on the thought that the palestinians cannot control the terrorists .... but if it turns out he is wrong he is allready too far in to pull back. This is in my opinion a very good chance for peace and it would be a shame to let this go just because of some terrorists.

[Die Alive 0]

Explosion on Jerusalem Bus Kills Several

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After 9 years of this, how do you think it can be solved?

Get all the Bibles and historic references and burn them, then rewrite them so Israel is actually described as a cold icy place, say to the Israelis "We've found your holy land, it's called antarctica!" and put them all there. The Israelis can cool off and stop killing people and the Arab states won't have anyone to fight, so they either start another huge war about who gets what in former Israel or they all come together to form one big Arab superstate.

Or...

I think the buses are the problem. Israel should use more bikes and Segways. Result, no more bus bombings.

-=Die Alive=-

[Jinef 2]

How nice of you to forget all the Palestinian actions and blame this solely on Israel, and you suggest i am misinformed? The people at the top of terrorist organisations are getting very rich out of this. Ever wondered how they finance their holy war?

Hmm, considering i suggested burning all Bibles, Korans and historic references let alone relocating an entire population on to a big piece of ice do you really think i was being serious?

Quote[/b] ]The people at the top of terrorist organisations are getting very rich out of this. Ever wondered how they finance their holy war?

By extensive support groups that go a long way...like Iraq apparently. But they do not get rich, to run a terrorist organisation efficiently takes up the fund they are given, they can see beyond this superficial "i want money" bollox that is highly apparent in western society.

[Jinef 2]

Bicycles are also a lot healthier, if everyone cycled we would have shitloads less pollution and people would be healthier. Saying that sometimes i have to commute 4 hours in my car, quite a long cycle ride.

[Bernadotte 0]

Get all the Bibles and historic references and burn them, then rewrite them so Israel is actually described as a cold icy place, say to the Israelis "We've found your holy land, it's called antarctica!" and put them all there. The Israelis can cool off and stop killing people and the Arab states won't have anyone to fight, so they either start another huge war about who gets what in former Israel or they all come together to form one big Arab superstate.

Or...

I think the buses are the problem.  Israel should use more bikes and Segways. Result, no more bus bombings.

-=Die Alive=-

Maybe you should write up your solution for the UN?  Try not to use the same colour crayon.  

[Jinef 2]

Simple...just cross out the N and put an S in it's place.

[Crazysheep 1]

Quote[/b] ] No you feel it is terrorism too.

Woah, woah, woah. Let's forget the various newspeak we have, and have a look at the dictionary definition of a terrorist; someone who acheives their aims through terror. Now, Israel tries to scare Palestinians into not supporting terrorists, as it kills them if they do; regardless of the fact this has the opposite effect, this is using terror to acheive an aim. Therefore it is terrorism.

[Jinef 2]

The IDF isn't exactly the Vikings, they don't destroy houses, kill women and children...

Hmm...

[Die Alive 0]

Quote[/b] ]The people at the top of terrorist organisations are getting very rich out of this. Ever wondered how they finance their holy war?  

By extensive support groups that go a long way...like Iraq apparently. But they do not get rich, to run a terrorist organisation efficiently takes up the fund they are given, they can see beyond this superficial "i want money" bollox that is highly apparent in western society.

Arafat is a poor old man.

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[FallenPaladin 0]

The IDF isn't exactly the Vikings, they don't destroy houses, kill women and children...

Hmm...

The difference between the IDF and the Vikings: The IDF has no dragon boats. On the other side they are happily raiding ever after.

[bn880 5]

I'm glad about one thing, at least now the world is paying a little more attention to this conflict now that Iraq has settled down... I guess that is good.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Well, but there`ll be no positive change at all I fear.

Best thing would be giving the palestinians back some of their land so that both groups can live separated. Then build a large wall between them.

[PitViper 0]

Best thing would be giving the palestinians back some of their land so that both groups can live separated. Then build a large wall between them.  

ya.. That worked well in Germany... haha

The palestinian bombers don't care about a palestinian state. They will continue to bomb regardless. They'll never stop. It's all about the continued existence of the Jews.

[PitViper 0]

The IDF isn't exactly the Vikings, they don't destroy houses, kill women and children...

Hmm...

The difference between the IDF and the Vikings: The IDF has no dragon boats. On the other side they are happily raiding ever after.

ya... look at this snap of an IDF soldier..

oh wait... wrong photo!

[Jinef 2]

Well actually a lot of palestinians would quite like hostilities to stop, there have been lots of these people displayed on the news. But i'm sure in America you only see the poor Israeli people on the TV saying they would like peace and to have herb garden.

Well only a few people ever did illegally cross the Berlin wall, so yes it worked very well for what it was meant to do. You are usually quite accurate historically Pit.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Best thing would be giving the palestinians back some of their land so that both groups can live separated. Then build a large wall between them.  

ya.. That worked well in Germany... haha

The palestinian bombers don't care about a palestinian state.  They will continue to bomb regardless.  They'll never stop. It's all about the continued existence of the Jews.

Oh dear... that comparison sucked so bigtime, it`s totally [CENSORED] !!!

We Germans were one nation divided. Your statement is totally stupid, because according to your post the Palestinians and the Israelis are one nation when compared to us Germans. The palestinians are commiting these desperate acts because they have no other way to fight the Israelis who came and took their land. If you would be imprisoned in a ghetto with no job or hope for a better future and raided by the IDF with tanks and choppers and your family is killed you sure would be in total despair, too. Those people blowing themselves up are no beasts, they are made so by their surroundings. Who is dictating them their surroundings? Obviously Israel.

That`s a fact, even if some here don`t like to hear it!

Damn... now I`m not only left-wing, I`m also an antisemite now.

[PitViper 0]

Well only a few people ever did illegally cross the Berlin wall, so yes it worked very well for what it was meant to do. You are usually quite accurate historically Pit.

I don't think the partition was good for Germany as a whole..

[Jinef 2]

Oh yes that is relevant PitViper, well done you managed to bring WW2 into it again!

For fuck's sake it started in 1939! You were not alive. Nor was I. Why do Americans keep bringing it up? Is it because it was the only true victory that the Americans can claim? Do you feel you have to always slip in your endorsement of the US activity in WW2 whatever the conversation topic?

And you can find loads of pictures of Palestinian children with 5.56mm holes in their heads so stop this bollocks.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Well only a few people ever did illegally cross the Berlin wall, so yes it worked very well for what it was meant to do. You are usually quite accurate historically Pit.

I don't think the partition was good for Germany as a whole..

Yes, it wasn`t good for us because we Germans were/are one nation. On the other hand separating two nations which hate each other could be good. You could open the wall any time if the situation between them normalised.

[Jinef 2]

When has forced segregation been good at all?