Mid east

[Bernadotte 0]

I've just watched a CNN special program called Quest for Peace in which the anchor said:

Quote[/b] ]Ariel Sharon was born in 1928 on a farm outside Tel Aviv, where he grew up with his parents and an older sister. The family had come to Israel from Russia seven years earlier to farm the Promised Land.

Wrong.

Sharon's parents came to Palestine.

Sharon was born in Palestine.

Israel didn't exist until 1948.

Sometimes I'm not sure what's more dangerous; Hamas not recognising the present existence of Israel or CNN not recognising the former existence of Palestine.

[bn880 5]

The real reason: Allowing the Palestinian Arabs living in Israel's occupied territories to become Israeli citizens would have resulted in Israel's total population becoming majority non-Jewish.

Yep, the population growth problem of Israelis vs Palestinians seems to be a major problem. So, I guess it's just a part of life, but now the idea is to have seperate states, why not then end the violence.

[Bernadotte 0]

So, I guess it's just a part of life, but now the idea is to have seperate states, why not then end the violence.  

The problem is that the "Roadmap" does not describe what the state of Palestine should look like.  All we know is that Sharon considered Barak's 2000 offer to be far too generous.

What do you think of Barak's offer?

You can imagine what the Palestinians think.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Dammit, it's baaaaaack

[Tovarish 0]

Democrats are criticising Bush for not being pro Israel enough?

Yeah I think I had to re-read that three times, pinch myself to make sure I was awake, and check the level of the bottle of vodka sitting on my dresser before I was sure I was reading it right.

[bn880 5]

So, I guess it's just a part of life, but now the idea is to have seperate states, why not then end the violence.

The problem is that the "Roadmap" does not describe what the state of Palestine should look like. All we know is that Sharon considered Barak's 2000 offer to be far too generous.

What do you think of Barak's offer?

You can imagine what the Palestinians think.

I think you know what I think.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Why Israel should be patient - Friedman

[FallenPaladin 0]

I thought at first you meant Michael Friedman who is just accused of illegal drug-using here in Germany.

[GoOB 0]

I thought Hamas was a pretty evolved organisation, and not "ragtag" but I agree that everytime the Israelis bomb in retalliation you hear that they have killed two or three high profile Hamas members. I dont like either sides approach, I wouldn't want some guy coming into my house declaring that it is his and i can have half of it. Then not setteling for having half my house and trying to steal more. I'd revolt too, but killing civilians the way Hamas and other organisations involve in isn't the way to get the guy out.

Israel is far from right, they should treat the Palestinians with respect and withdraw from the occupied territories. And try to live at peace. And the U.S should take a neutral stance in this conflict.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Well, even when the Israelis hit their main target they kill lots of innocent civilians almost any time in the same strike. That`s not good for sure. If you go further and flip the coin to the other side that would mean the Palestinians were right if they killed high ranking Israelis. When the Israelis do that it`s justified, when the Palestinians do it it`s terror. I bet the Palestinians would kill less innocent Israeli civilians if they had the chance to reach one of the leading Israeli heads but they can`t. In contrast to the Israelis they have no tanks, choppers, fighter jets and so on. So they have to strike where they are able to and that`s in the streets and civilian areas of Israel.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Israeli child killed and two wounded in ambush by Palestinian militants-BBC

It's really going to be a struggle to get peace when things like this happen. How long until there's an Israeli Apache over the West Bank tasked with taking out some militants along with some bystanders? Or do you think they'll keep their hands in their pockets to keep the peace?

[Renagade 0]

Can`t we just nuke both factions,problemo solved either that or build a big wall like in germany

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Can`t we just nuke both factions,problemo solved either that or build a big wall like  in  germany  

The Jeruselum Wall or something you reckon? Might work you know

Although I doubt either parties would be happy.

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

Renagade-

Quote[/b] ]problemo solved either that or build a big wall like in germany

Big enough?

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Renagade-

Quote[/b] ]problemo solved either that or build a big wall like  in  germany

Big enough?

Ah yes, I forgot that Israel had started building fences and walls all over the place.

[Bernadotte 0]

From an Israeli www-site:

The green line is the West Bank border.

The red line is where the wall is being built.

Soon, the residents of the Palestinian town of Qalqiliya will have a view in every direction like this:

If the wall is to protect Israel then why couldn't they build it on the green line?  Because the wall is to protect those blue areas too - the Israeli settlements built in the West Bank.

[Balschoiw 0]

well it´s an easy way to resize a state and set new borders.

[Renagade 0]

Ok new plan, any land under dispute is handed over to me

[HauptmannT 0]

this thread should have never been started.

PEACE !

edit: just some typos

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I hope you enjoyed your 8 post tenure here in OT, Hauptmann, as I imagine it's about to end. Calling an entire ethnicity dumb and greedy doesn't mesh too well with the forum rules.

[Balschoiw 0]

Avon picks the telephone right now.

[Bernadotte 0]

well it´s an easy way to resize a state and set new borders.

I understand what you're saying, but I have to disagree.

Actually, it's a very difficult way to resize a state.  The easy way would have been to declare victory after the 6-Day war and take pocession of the new territories as was done after the 1948 war of independence.

So why are the Israelis doing it the hard way?  It's because they want as the maximum amount of Palestinian land with the minimum number of Palestinians.

Math Quiz:

If the religion of a country's population is 78% A and 22% B how many years will it take for religion B to outnumber religion A, given the following:

- The average A parents have 2.3 kids.

- The average child-bearing age of an A parent is 28.

- The average B parents have 4.7 kids.

-  The average child-bearing age of a B parent is 23.

[Bernadotte 0]

Oh, yeah, you could always kill every palestinian man, woman and child. This would end the hostilities pretty fast.

Population transfer would be more like it.

population transfer....nice word for ethnic cleansing.

your a rasist avon, your opinions are no different than what was circling around in the head of milosevic, hitler...and other "famous" characters.

what happens to those who refuse to move, what happens if no neighboring country accepts them?..you throw them all into your "prison" in gaza?...will you simply shoot them?..would you care?

Where's Pete?  Hey, has anyone seen Pete?  

[Die Alive 0]

population transfer....nice word for ethnic cleansing.

your a rasist avon, your opinions are no different than what was circling around in the head of milosevic, hitler...and other "famous" characters.

what happens to those who refuse to move, what happens if no neighboring country accepts them?..you throw them all into your "prison" in gaza?...will you simply shoot them?..would you care?

of course, there are many in palestine who are the mirrors of yourself, thinking the same way about israelis...sad to see that both settle with that and happily kill eachother...and the ones who dont agree with killing or ethnic cleansing also suffers cos of these fools....tsk tsk

perhaps we should send all the extremists from BOTH sides to madagaskar?

Good, sonomore talk about making Jews leave Judea and Samaria. Glad taht's settled.

Quote[/b] ]your a rasist avon, your opinions are no different than what was circling around in the head of milosevic, hitler...and other "famous" characters.

Right. They start a war, want us out of here, I suggest that if they can't stand us here they should go somewhere else and this is like Hitler and Milesovic. Tell me more when you're sober.

Quote[/b] ]what happens to those who refuse to move, what happens if no neighboring country accepts them?..you throw them all into your "prison" in gaza?

Gaza, prison? You've just insulted the 100s of thousand of Gazans who call it home!

Quote[/b] ]...will you simply shoot them?

Like many other stupid posts on this thread, that was  not suggested by me.

Quote[/b] ]..would you care?

Yes. Or is my answer insufficient?

Quote[/b] ]of course, there are many in palestine who are the mirrors of yourself, thinking the same way about israelis...sad to see that both settle with that and happily kill eachother...

Yes, the evenhandedness ploy again. Tsk tsk.

LoL, lets dig up more arguments from inside this thread.

It sure must be a quiet news day in the middle east.

-=Die Alive=-

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]I hope you enjoyed your 8 post tenure here in OT, Hauptmann, as I imagine it's about to end. Calling an entire ethnicity dumb and greedy doesn't mesh too well with the forum rules.

? I know several Europeans in here that say that about Americans 9-10 times a day.