Mid east

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Sharon Re-elected Party Leader

Ariel Sharon: 55.8%

Binyamin Netanyahu:  40.8%

Moshe Feiglin: 3.4%

Sharon recognises that the Palestinians should eventually have their own independent state alongside Israel.

Netanyahu disagrees and would exile Arafat.

Feiglin believes there should be a holy war.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Nov. 29 2002,09:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If i understand this correct it is written in July 24, 1922?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes.

[kuzmich 0]

For all those who claim "IDF targets women and children".

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=440

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kuzmich @ Nov. 29 2002,11:o1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For all those who claim "IDF targets women and children".

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=440<span id='postcolor'>

Firstly, the article compares the IDF with the terrorists.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Israel is responsible for around 617 Palestinian noncombatant deaths, while Palestinians have killed more than 471 Israeli noncombatants.<span id='postcolor'>

Secondly, the IDF is still leading.

[kuzmich 0]

The most of Palestinians casualties are young mails engaged in hostile acticities against Israelies.

And the most of Israeli casualties are civilians targeted deleberatly.

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I mean MALES (Sorry ,Newman!.

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I hope you realise that ICT is an Israeli propaganda tool.

[kuzmich 0]

In other words you did not like what the article says and you choose to ignore it.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In other words you did not like what the article says and you choose to ignore it<span id='postcolor'>

One of the skills of being a historian, or an having a interest in current affairs, is the ability to draw information that is unbiased from a collection of sources. You analysis the source, judge its value, and moderate its value against other independant sources.

He didn't choose to ignore it, he's simply expressing his opinion at the quailty of the information source.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kuzmich @ Dec. 01 2002,00:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In other words you did not like what the article says and you choose to ignore it.<span id='postcolor'>

I did not ignore it.  You seem to think the report is meaningful. I don't agree.  Can you explain to me what the report proves?

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Another day another raid...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One resident died after being shot as troops clashed with local gunmen and at least eight other Palestinians were wounded<span id='postcolor'>...no arrests.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">soldiers destroyed at least two homes in the town before withdrawing<span id='postcolor'>...no explanation.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">troops also blocked a road linking Gaza City to northern towns<span id='postcolor'>...no surprise.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Israeli troops shot dead a 16-year-old Palestinian boy on his way home from school...

Another boy was wounded<span id='postcolor'>...no regrets.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Demolition of homes of suspected militants has been one tactic used by Israel to deter or retaliate for attacks.<span id='postcolor'>...no brains.  In fact, only a fool would believe such an explanation.  Only a fool could imagine the suspected militant saying: "I guess I won't attack Israel anymore, now that they've demolished my home.  And I've completely lost all my suicidal inclinations now that my family and I are homeless." Duhh...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Demolition of homes of suspected militants has been one tactic used by Israel to deter or retaliate for attacks.<span id='postcolor'>

What if A terrorist lived there? Whit all the respect, I think the isralies has better knowlige of that...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 01 2002,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Demolition of homes of suspected militants has been one tactic used by Israel to deter or retaliate for attacks.<span id='postcolor'>

What if A terrorist lived there? Whit all the respect, I think the isralies has better knowlige of that...<span id='postcolor'>

then , they would find some other places and followers

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 01 2002,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What if A terrorist lived there? Whit all the respect, I think the isralies has better knowlige of that...<span id='postcolor'>

First of all, a suspected militant is not necessarily the same as a terrorist.

But what if the US authorities decided to demolish the family home of terrorism suspect Irv Rubin?  Sound crazy?  It gets even crazier.

What if Rubin's home was in Canada and the US military had to escort a couple bulldozers across the border to do the job?

And afterwards, what if the Canadian authorities removed the crushed body of an elderly man from beneath the rubble (like what is just now being reported out of Gaza)?

Who in the world could support such a "tactic" besides you?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But what if the US authorities decided to demolish the family home of terrorism suspect Irv Rubin? Sound crazy? It gets even crazier.

What if Rubin's home was in Canada and the US military had to escort a couple bulldozers across the border to do the job?

And afterwards, what if the Canadian authorities removed the crushed body of an elderly man from beneath the rubble<span id='postcolor'>

And wasnt it you (or someone else) who called my story crazy...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">then , they would find some other places and followers<span id='postcolor'>

You are right, it is pointless, but it might in some way show that the goverment is trying, i mean the ppl in israel wouldnt feel safer if the army would sit back and watch cars etc blow up

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Do Americans feel safer now that America has bombed Afghanistan is planning to do Iraq as well? Bombing these places isn't going to keep them any safer but it makes them feel good that at least someone's dying for the WTC attacks.

The thing that makes people safer from terrorism is the boring intelligence gathering and police work that MI6 etc do.

Cross referencing names, looking for discrepencies in seas of info gathered. But the public cannot see the men and women doing this at a desk and it doesn't make them feel safe so you need a visual cue that they are doing something - the military.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 01 2002,14:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But what if the US authorities decided to demolish the family home of terrorism suspect Irv Rubin?  Sound crazy?  It gets even crazier.

What if Rubin's home was in Canada and the US military had to escort a couple bulldozers across the border to do the job?

And afterwards, what if the Canadian authorities removed the crushed body of an elderly man from beneath the rubble<span id='postcolor'>

And wasnt it you (or someone else) who called my story crazy...  <span id='postcolor'>

sounds crazy ? but it's exactly what's happening with israel and palestine

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sounds crazy ? but it's exactly what's happening with israel and palestine<span id='postcolor'>

so again... what is your sugestion? should israel just stand by and watch? besides, my point was that it woulnt happen between usa and canada... if canada has a terroris that usa wants, im sure usa would roll over the whit how many tanks they want, and canaidien goverment would kiss/lick their ass

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it doesn't make them feel safe so you need a visual cue that they are doing something - the military<span id='postcolor'>

Yea that is my point, kind of

[kuzmich 0]

Once again - the 3 victims who were shot are males. It seems that statistics works different in Gaza strip . Bullets targeting civilians find only men for some reason.

And for the next post that says he was only 16 - they start military training much earlier.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Dec. 01 2002,03:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kuzmich @ Dec. 01 2002,00:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In other words you did not like what the article says and you choose to ignore it.<span id='postcolor'>

I did not ignore it.  You seem to think the report is meaningful.  I don't agree.  Can you explain to me what the report proves?<span id='postcolor'>

I guess not.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 01 2002,11:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sounds crazy ? but it's exactly what's happening with israel and palestine<span id='postcolor'>

so again... what is your sugestion? should israel just stand by and watch? besides, my point was that it woulnt happen between usa and canada... if canada has a terroris that usa wants, im sure usa would roll over the whit how many tanks they want, and canaidien goverment would kiss/lick their ass

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it doesn't make them feel safe so you need a visual cue that they are doing something - the military<span id='postcolor'>

Yea that is my point, kind of<span id='postcolor'>

No they would not, Canada is their biggest trade partner, and in the USA money is worth more than anything.

By the way, Canada usually has "terrorists" the USA wants. Except they are usually not really "terrorsits" to nomal nations, only in the eyes if USA and Israel they are evil.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, Canada usually has "terrorists" the USA wants.  Except they are usually not really "terrorsits" to nomal nations, only in the eyes if USA and Israel they are evil. <span id='postcolor'>

Usually?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 01 2002,15:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, Canada usually has "terrorists" the USA wants. Except they are usually not really "terrorsits" to nomal nations, only in the eyes if USA and Israel they are evil. <span id='postcolor'>

Usually? <span id='postcolor'>

As in not always.

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Same day same raid

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Two Israeli helicopters have fired missiles at a car north-east of Gaza City

the passengers leapt out of the vehicle as the Apache helicopter struck

most of the victims were bystanders

At least three people are said to have been seriously wounded<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The body of an elderly man was found under the rubble of one of the demolished homes

70-year-old Ashour Dab was not given enough time to leave the house before it was demolished<span id='postcolor'>Why was his home demolished?  His son carried out a suicide bomb attack in March 1996.

I suppose the IDF are arguing that the old man had nearly 7 years to get out of the house.